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Been playing a year with the Ping G400 sft and I have recently installed a skytrac simulator in my garage. Noticed I had really high spin even on my best hits. I got to take home a sim 2 max which increased distance with less spin and tighter dispersion. Would the first sim with the same shaft be very similar?

 

Long story short, I don't want to pay $550 for a sim 2 max. So what is older but very similar that I should try to hit?

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What is really high spin for you?

What shaft and loft are you using in your Ping G400 und Sim2 Max?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nevek said:

What is really high spin for you?

What shaft and loft are you using in your Ping G400 und Sim2 Max?

 

 

I was getting 4000 and up consistently with ping. Sometimes high 3000s with the perfect hit.

 

Much lower spin consistency with the sim 2.

 

Ping has the stock Alta regular flex. Ping turned down to 9.5 degrees I think? 

 

Sim 2 max has ventus blue stiff. 9.0 degrees 

 

I swing about 96 - 98 mph and if I really push it low 100s so I figured I would give stiff a try 

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35 minutes ago, Navistar said:

 

That's an option. Guess I thought club head played more of a role with spin 

It does.  Sticking a low/low shaft with your G400 isn't going to magically bring spin down 1000+rpms.  You need to find a different head.  The OG SIM is a low spin head to begin with.  It's also not very forgiving on mis hits.  Pick your poison so to speak. 

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If you are already using the SFT head, then my guess is more of a swing issue that needs to be fixed rather than an experimental bandaid of a new head.  If you're still spinning it close to 4k on your 'perfect" hits, you likely aren't hitting it 'perfectly'.  Just hitting it in the middle of the face doesn't matter much if the delivery (AoA, face angle and path) are terrible.

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4 minutes ago, PEI_Golfer said:

If you are already using the SFT head, then my guess is more of a swing issue that needs to be fixed rather than an experimental bandaid of a new head.  If you're still spinning it close to 4k on your 'perfect" hits, you likely aren't hitting it 'perfectly'.  Just hitting it in the middle of the face doesn't matter much if the delivery (AoA, face angle and path) are terrible.

 

Why would the sim 2 spin less and carry further if my swing is 100% the culprit? I'm not looking to be a pro, just add a little distance and see tighter dispersion if possible. Seems the sim 2 did that after 100 hits on the simulator last night and this morning. Just didn't want to part with $550. There has to be older generations that can compete. 

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Why would the sim 2 spin less and carry further if my swing is 100% the culprit? I'm not looking to be a pro, just add a little distance and see tighter dispersion if possible. Seems the sim 2 did that after 100 hits on the simulator last night and this morning. Just didn't want to part with $550. There has to be older generations that can compete. 

If it spins less, than it will likely go further.  The SFT's aren't lower spinning heads, the Max will be a lower spinning head than the SFT.  

 

As I said, it is a bandaid fix to an underlaying issue.

 

 

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The shaft for certain will affect dispersion and spin rate, especially if we are comparing different different flexes.

 

If you hit a tour issue LS driver with a Senior Flex Shaft you will probably also see extremely high spin rates, despite utilising a low spinning head.

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1 hour ago, Kale_m said:

I probably wouldn’t trust a sky track monitor to give proper spin rates 

 

I understand they aren't as accurate but I average much lower with sim than the Ping sft. And I played 18 with it and hit some really long drives. Just curious if there is anything last year's model that would be very comparable 

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22 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

No. This is completely wrong.

 

Op, to diagnose spin issues you need to:

 

1st: Isolate strike pattern. If you are hitting low on the face your spin numbers will be very high regardless of any head or shaft. The easiest way to lower spin is to strike it higher.

 

2nd: you may need to loft down. Loft is the second culprit of high spin. Whether you artifically add it or not, or no matter your angle of attack, the loft you dynamically deliver is the second, and arguably first culprit of spin.

 

3rd: head design. No heads are equal, the g400 max is a well documented spin machine. There are lower spinning heads such as the 2020 SIM. Your results may vary but you could see as much as 1k spin differences, generally speaking usually 500 revs at a minimum from the lowest spining head to the highest.

 

4th- shafts- shafts CAN influence spin, but not as much as people think. A too weak of a shaft can increase dynamic loft (point #2), or an incorrect fit could result in low strikes (point #1). If strikes are equal you may see as much as 200-300 revs at most from a shaft change. 

Good info. Thank you. Really enjoying this epic max LS. Hitting 18 tomorrow to test in the field. Maybe I found my stick 

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2 hours ago, Navistar said:

 

Why would the sim 2 spin less and carry further if my swing is 100% the culprit? I'm not looking to be a pro, just add a little distance and see tighter dispersion if possible. Seems the sim 2 did that after 100 hits on the simulator last night and this morning. Just didn't want to part with $550. There has to be older generations that can compete. 

OG SIM will get it done.  Or like someone else suggested, Ping G410 LST.  

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11 hours ago, Red4282 said:

No. This is completely wrong.

 

Op, to diagnose spin issues you need to:

 

1st: Isolate strike pattern. If you are hitting low on the face your spin numbers will be very high regardless of any head or shaft. The easiest way to lower spin is to strike it higher.

 

2nd: you may need to loft down. Loft is the second culprit of high spin. Whether you artifically add it or not, or no matter your angle of attack, the loft you dynamically deliver is the second, and arguably first culprit of spin.

 

3rd: head design. No heads are equal, the g400 max is a well documented spin machine. There are lower spinning heads such as the 2020 SIM. Your results may vary but you could see as much as 1k spin differences, generally speaking usually 500 revs at a minimum from the lowest spining head to the highest.

 

4th- shafts- shafts CAN influence spin, but not as much as people think. A too weak of a shaft can increase dynamic loft (point #2), or an incorrect fit could result in low strikes (point #1). If strikes are equal you may see as much as 200-300 revs at most from a shaft change. 

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Excellent post.  Just adding some things.

 

3rd+   High and Low spin heads are only that when the impact pattern is good.    A "low spin head" really means it's a high gear effect head.  And while a high gear effect head will lower spin for good impact location, it will also increase spin more for a poor (low) face impact than the "low gear effect" heads.

 

4th+  For some people, the stiffness feel can add an influence (sometimes significant) from the shaft that has NOTHING to do with (doesn't match or even be contrary to) the marketed launch characteristics of the shaft.

 

5th - The playing length, shaft weight and swing weight can have a big influence the swing and the dynamic loft delivered and face impact for a lot people.   So those factors should not be ignored when comparing results from different clubs.   In fact, in most cases fixing any of those that might be a bad fit for the player can be much more effective at fixing a problem than changing out heads or shafts.  Especially true if there is a problem with face impact location or consistency.    Before throwing money at the problem, it's best to go through the following tutorial for tuning up your existing equipment first.

 

 

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This posts hits so close to home it's scary.  I've been using a PIng G30 10.5* with  Hrzdus Smoke Yellow for the past year.  I've always felt I was leaving distance on the table but I hit it so well and I was hitting so many fairways that I didn't want to mess with chasing distance.  In my head "it was long enough".

 

A few weeks ago I tried my friend's SIM2 Max 9* with RDX Black. It was on a par 5 and by chance I flushed both on almost identical lines.  Since it was on an elevated tee I was able to see carry and landing.  The SIM2 carried at least 10 yards more and total distance was 30 yards in front of the G30.  Keep in mind my G30 is 45" and the SIM2 is 45.75" so I'm not sure how much that contributed.

 

When I got home and saw that the SIM2 was $500+ there was no way I was spending that since I know there's a boatload of drivers out there that can match it.  Plus I don't know how much the shaft length contributed.  So now I have a 2017 M2 on the way to experiment with.

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