Lower spin head with forgiveness - is there such a thing?

[meh]

Long story short, I've got angel of attack issues. I'm trying to fix them, without too much success so far. Is there such a thing as a forgiving head that doesn't spin too much? I realise these things don't go together.

[Kale_m]

10 minutes ago, meh said:

Long story short, I've got angel of attack issues. I'm trying to fix them, without too much success so far. Is there such a thing as a forgiving head that doesn't spin too much? I realise these things don't go together.

Ping lst — probably spins more then more “low spin” heads 

 

OG sim and SIm2 — very low spin. So good 

[vakaviti]

Callaway Epic Max LS....this thing is fire

 

coming from OG SIM usual miss was right and when I say right I mean wayyyyyy right.

Edited June 16, 2021 by vakaviti

[Valtiel]

Low spin + forgiveness means you need two design elements; higher MOI and lower CG. This is and always has been a tough tradeoff and you need to have a good handle on why your spin is high before you start experimenting. 

If your spin is high due to strike issues then higher MOI will help more as it will lessen the vertical gear effects that increase spin. If your spin is high due to delivered loft issues (flipping) then less loft is the first thing to look at in lieu of fixing the swing issue, then finding a balance of the above elements. 

Angle of attack alone isn't the cause of spin issues, but normally the swing fault that creates it. People have the common steep/OTT problem tend to present a lot of loft and thus create a lot of spin, and equipment can only help so much. TXG did a great video on this recently that I will link below. Personally my holy grail for low CG + higher MOI is heavily modifying an OG SIM by lowering the front weight, increasing the rear weight, and adding hotmelt in front of the rear weight. Because of the SIM's sole design, this moves a lot of weight back while keeping it pretty low, which keeps the CG down while boosting MOI since the SIM is pretty middle of the road there. 
 

 

[Payton1020]

3 hours ago, meh said:

Long story short, I've got angel of attack issues. I'm trying to fix them, without too much success so far. Is there such a thing as a forgiving head that doesn't spin too much? I realise these things don't go together.

What are you playing now? I have a NEW IN PLASTIC Cobra Amp Cell, paired with an original Matrix Black Tie 6m3 stiff shaft I might be persuaded to part with. 😎

[Payton1020]

I also have a couple Fly Zs that could be paired with that shaft as well, as I also have a couple of those shafts.

 

Just saying.

Edited June 16, 2021 by Payton1020

[cw1209]

Cobra Rad XB!

[Hoogerdyk]

Epic max LS is too good, give a demo one a whirl where you can

[shoot4par]

7 hours ago, Kale_m said:

Ping lst — probably spins more then more “low spin” heads 

 

OG sim and SIm2 — very low spin. So good 

 

Not to be that guy but I think LST stands for Low Spin Tech. If youre looking for something in a 460cc head that is low spin, its probably more shaft. Just get the right shaft and you may be able to get something solid. 2400ish. 

[Bridges]

Epic Max LS is what you are looking for. It has been phenomenal for me. I have heard a lot of good things about the Tour Edge C721 being low spin and forgiving but I have not tried it.

[Stuart_G]

13 hours ago, meh said:

Long story short, I've got angel of attack issues. I'm trying to fix them, without too much success so far. Is there such a thing as a forgiving head that doesn't spin too much? I realise these things don't go together.

 

AoA is not the cause of high spin problems.  However "trying to fix an AoA problem" is a very common cause for high spin problems and likely why you haven't had much success. 

 

To successfully solve the problem you need to diagnose it properly first.    Have you checked your face impact location and consistency using impact tape or foot powder spray?  That's the first and most important step to diagnosing a high spin problem.  The second would be to get LM data.  Do you have actual LM numbers?   Club head speed, ball speed, spin, launch angle, dynamic loft and AoA are the important ones.  

Edited June 16, 2021 by Stuart_G

[lil'mike]

Any Cally sub zero head, Ping LST, etc.

 

 

[Kale_m]

6 hours ago, shoot4par said:

 

Not to be that guy but I think LST stands for Low Spin Tech. If youre looking for something in a 460cc head that is low spin, its probably more shaft. Just get the right shaft and you may be able to get something solid. 2400ish. 

Well aware of that.

 

just ping are not known to be super low spinning. 
 

you will have better luck lowering spin with the head and head adjustments then with a “low spin” shaft 

[JoeFrigo]

low spin PLUS forgiveness seems like the Tour Edge C721 is the way to go right now. Every one who's demoed it and done a review are very impressed 

 

Personally I have a PXG Proto 9* and currently play the Gen4 x 7.5* ..... I find them both to be low spin enough while being much more forgiving than last year's SIM. That thing was a low spin killer but forgiveness was non existent lol

[MtlJeff]

10 hours ago, cw1209 said:

Cobra Rad XB!

 

The RadSpeed's are very low spinning heads. I have an XB with the 80G RDX black and the spin is very noticeably lower than other "max" type heads that i have used. I also have a MAvrik Max with essentially the same shaft (Non RDX Hzrdus black) and you can visually see the difference without even being on a trackman

 

I'd say it's still a fairly forgiving head. Most 460cc heads today are fairly forgiving.

[driveandputtmachine]

I will reiterate what many have said here.

1. Impact location and consistency are the first keys.

2. Knowing your LM data, and your current equipment will help.

3. Low spin shaft, LOL.  So yes some shafts can "help" lower spin, but not by a ton.  Also the fact of the matter is I have seen people with High spin shafts spin them less than low spin shafts, so using a shaft to fix the issue is not a solution since no shaft performs the same for two different people.  The shaft ratings you see from manufacturers are based on robot swings and very minute differences.  Balance point, weight, profile can all affect delivery, to  produce weird effects for non robots.

 

4.  After you know where you are contacting the head and your numbers you can look at possibly different heads.

 

You will need to test at the very least against your current gamer to know what gains you may get, if you cannot go somewhere for a fitting.  Almost every box store these days have some sort of LM, even old GC2 can help if you compare to your original.

 

Heads to look at.  The Tour Edge is gaining a lot of popularity here and everywhere for it's low spin characteristics.  I have not personally hit it.  The Rad Speed was very low spin for me, but never could get it exactly how I wanted it and the look was good at address, but not my cup of tea.  The Epic Max LS is very forgiving and lower spin, and I say this coming from a Ping G400 Max, which is considered by many to be the most forgiving driver in the last 6 years or so.

[puttingmatt]

16 hours ago, meh said:

Long story short, I've got angel of attack issues. I'm trying to fix them, without too much success so far. Is there such a thing as a forgiving head that doesn't spin too much? I realise these things don't go together.

What do you mean by angle of attack issues ? 

Maybe just a tune up with a lesson is all  that is needed.

[ChipNRun]

18 hours ago, meh said:

Long story short, I've got angel of attack issues. 👼

 

You have my sympathy... I only have angle of attack issues...😉

 

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Seriously, a person who can benefit most from low-spin has high clubhead speed. Thus, they will probably want a more aggressive head to be able to work ball.

 

But they still want to avoid the hard-to-hit driver. Past threads on the TM SLDR driver address this. Some people found this club to be the ultimate rocket off the tee - on days they could control it. Others dumped SLDR for lack of reliability.

 

(P.S. SLDR irons were great... they're in my backup bag.)

Edited June 16, 2021 by ChipNRun

[third-times-a-charm]

Epic Max LS

[rlb4]

The Tour Edge C721 is THE lowest spinning, most forgiving head available. Pretty much every review will show it is lower spinning than basically anything else. Now this doesn't mean it is the best head for you. The Callaway Epic Max LS is also very low spinning and forgiving. Those are probably the two lowest spinning/high forgiveness heads.

[Htk084]

Epic max ls ventus blue.  Unbelievable combo 

[liveagua]

On 6/15/2021 at 4:59 PM, meh said:

Long story short, I've got angel of attack issues. I'm trying to fix them, without too much success so far. Is there such a thing as a forgiving head that doesn't spin too much? I realise these things don't go together.

Titleist TSi1 and Callaway B21 are 2 of the lowest spinning drivers on my wall. 

[vakaviti]

4 hours ago, Htk084 said:

Epic max ls ventus blue.  Unbelievable combo 

 

I need to get a ventus blue....have the black but might switch it out for the blue ive heard good things about that combo

[Htk084]

1 hour ago, vakaviti said:

 

I need to get a ventus blue....have the black but might switch it out for the blue ive heard good things about that combo

The blue is just a bit more forgiving/easier. Combine with the epic max ls you get forgiveness and huge ball speeds 

[J13]

On 6/15/2021 at 8:11 PM, vakaviti said:

Callaway Epic Max LS....this thing is fire

 

coming from OG SIM usual miss was right and when I say right I mean wayyyyyy right.

 

 

Agree.  Epic Max LS is a unicorn