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1 hour ago, AtlantaGolf3 said:

Did you play PX prior to MMT?

Modus 130x.   Px for a brief stint a couple years ago. 

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44 minutes ago, El Kabong2 said:

do these pros swing their putters that much harder than us that they need that "stability?"

 

No but the putter is the most important club to have face angle correct at impact. I think it was a BGT study that showed their putter shaft was 1/2 degree lower deflection then steel shafts and at 10 feet could be the difference of making or missing. Lot of other factors that go into putting of course but when you play for as much money as these guys do every little bit counts.

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3 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Not at all wanting to argue , because you just have to see it to believe it. But an injury to my elbow forced me into a set . The MMT 125TX is cpm equivalent to px 7.0 with lower torque and near identical weight (3 grams less on average ) and it’s just impossible to explain how tight the dispersion is . They simply do not what to curve . The biggest adjustment is in aiming points and trust.  
 

that’s why I said above that there are two graphite worlds right now.  The light weight  stock stuff that is still a bit loose. And the newer LA golf , Fujikura MCI, or Mitsubishi MMT heavyweight stuff that is absolutely as stable as can be.  The poster above is right. In 10 years you’ll see composite thats 80 grams but less torque that anything , and youll see composites all over tour players bags.  It’s coming.   No doubt in my mind. 

Bingo, blade.  Same boat as you.  I have suffered numerous hand and wrist issues in the past and the soft tissue in my elbow flares up every now and then.  The MMT 125 TX is a god send.  Mis hits don't hurt nearly as much and my elbows and hands thank me for it.  Composite is just as stable if not more so than steel.  You're right dispersion is awesome.  I mean, I can curve the ball with the MMT but I'm not hitting wild hooks either.  I didn't know that the MMT 125 TX is the equivalent to the PX 7.0 but thanks for the reference.  Besides weight, are you talking stiffness as well? 

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57 minutes ago, El Kabong2 said:

do these pros swing their putters that much harder than us that they need that "stability?"


It’s not about how hard their swinging, it’s about how resistant the shaft is to twisting on slightly off-center hits. From my personal experiences, there hasn’t been much change inside of 10 ft but longer putts have definitely improved using the Stability shaft. Missing the sweet spot on a 20 foot putt is pretty common, but the extra stability in the shaft helps keep the face square at impact to get it started on your intended line better. The room for error on a tee shot or an approach shot is significantly larger than a putt, when an inch offline is the difference between a make or miss. 

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13 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

Bingo, blade.  Same boat as you.  I have suffered numerous hand and wrist issues in the past and the soft tissue in my elbow flares up every now and then.  The MMT 125 TX is a god send.  Mis hits don't hurt nearly as much and my elbows and hands thank me for it.  Composite is just as stable if not more so than steel.  You're right dispersion is awesome.  I mean, I can curve the ball with the MMT but I'm not hitting wild hooks either.  I didn't know that the MMT 125 TX is the equivalent to the PX 7.0 but thanks for the reference.  Besides weight, are you talking stiffness as well? 

Mostly saying cpm ( stiffness ).  Weight is a tad less. But that depends on which px 7.0 you weigh.  Some are 127.  Some 130 I’ve measure a couple at 132.  The composite stuff will be dead on 125 every shaft.  

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Mostly saying cpm ( stiffness ).  Weight is a tad less. But that depends on which px 7.0 you weigh.  Some are 127.  Some 130 I’ve measure a couple at 132.  The composite stuff will be dead on 125 every shaft.  

I thought the MMT 125 TX were closer to PX 6.5 in stiffness.  Surprisingly, the MMT aren't hard to load at all for me. 

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7 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

I thought the MMT 125 TX were closer to PX 6.5 in stiffness.  Surprisingly, the MMT aren't hard to load at all for me. 

I came from modus 130x and DG x7 and to me they’re equals. If not more so because I cannot find the upper end of their limits. I can go as hard as I want and watch it come out straight.     They maybe closer to 6.5 on paper. But In my opinion the difference in 6.5 and 7.0 is only weight.  7.0 just  isnt that much different than 6.5. Both are harsh.  Exception being the PG satin version. I don’t care what anyone says. That shaft is different than today’s px. 

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3 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I came from modus 130x and DG x7 and to me they’re equals. If not more so because I cannot find the upper end of their limits. I can go as hard as I want and watch it come out straight.     They maybe closer to 6.5 on paper. But In my opinion the difference in 6.5 and 7.0 is only weight.  7.0 just  isnt that much different than 6.5. Both are harsh.  Exception being the PG satin version. I don’t care what anyone says. That shaft is different than today’s px. 

I came from PX 6.5 and C-taper 125 S+.  I could play the 130x but I really had to go after it and it hurt when I would mis hit it.  I really liked the flight of the C-tapers though.  Telephone pole is one thing, but feeling pain from vibration from a shaft is a big no no for me especially at my age. 

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5 hours ago, MPAndreassi said:

Missing the sweet spot on a 20 foot putt is pretty common, but the extra stability in the shaft helps keep the face square at impact to get it started on your intended line better. 

So you’re telling me the steel in my 5.5 is going to ‘deflect’ noticeably enough on a 20ft putt with the putter head moving at what, 2 mph, to directly impact the line my ball starts on compared to the same miss hit with this composite shaft? Well I’m not an engineer and I’ve only played around with a putter with this shaft in it a couple times… But I just don’t see/feel it. Now using machines that cost as much as a new S class Benz, I’m sure you’d see negligible differences after the decimal point. But is it anywhere near what even an above average human being is going to detect?… I’m honestly not trying to call anyone out or say anyone is wrong. Just my opinion. As I stated earlier, and showed Phizzy. We’re all ‘club hoes” and people can play whatever they want. Far be it from me to tell anyone they are wrong for making their own choice. 

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So after all that DJ is playing a trussless  truss with plumbers neck and black LA shaft. The one he had before was with a white LA shaft.  That makes about 11 putters I’ve seen him with in the last 10 days. Whew. 

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1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

So after all that DJ is playing a trussless  truss with plumbers neck and black LA shaft. The one he had before was with a white LA shaft.  That makes about 11 putters I’ve seen him with in the last 10 days. Whew. 

I remember him winning a tournament with a TRUSS a year or two ago and switching it out the following tournament! I’m pretty sure that one had a steel shaft though. Looks to be this now.

 

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26 minutes ago, TiScape said:

I remember him winning a tournament with a TRUSS a year or two ago and switching it out the following tournament! I’m pretty sure that one had a steel shaft though. Looks to be this now.

 

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Yep that’s the one today. He has one last week in practice and in play a couple rounds that was a truss without the truss , no TP in the cavity , and a white LA shaft. A prototype I guess of this one.  

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30 minutes ago, TiScape said:

I remember him winning a tournament with a TRUSS a year or two ago and switching it out the following tournament! I’m pretty sure that one had a steel shaft though. Looks to be this now.

 

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Here it is .  Guess it is a prototype of the Bandon.  But with white shaft.  
 

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12 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Not at all wanting to argue , because you just have to see it to believe it. But an injury to my elbow forced me into a set . The MMT 125TX is stiffness  equivalent to px 7.0 with lower torque and near identical weight (3 grams less on average ) and it’s just impossible to explain how tight the dispersion is . They simply do not what to curve . The biggest adjustment is in aiming points and trust.  
 

that’s why I said above that there are two graphite worlds right now.  The light weight  stock stuff that is still a bit loose. And the newer LA golf , Fujikura MCI, or Mitsubishi MMT heavyweight stuff that is absolutely as stable as can be.  The poster above is right. In 10 years you’ll see composite thats 80 grams but less torque that anything , and youll see composites all over tour players bags.  It’s coming.   No doubt in my mind. 

I'm right there with you brother. No freakin' way I'll go back to X100 or any steel and these composite shafts are just going to keep getting better.

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back to the main topic at hand, when are we going to get graphite options for over-hosel putter designs? I'm rather entrenched in my particular putter, and while I've looked longingly at things like the 2-ball ten triple track, and the 3D printed Supernova, I always think "I can't give up the Pokéball weights" and never buy it.

Don't judge.

 

I have a 2014 GoLo 3, and I've been wanting to try a graphite shaft in it for a while, so this over-hosel thing in the picture is something I can get behind.

 

Has there been any news on if something like this will see the market?

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I’ve switched to the MMT (105TX) but it has helped me be able to practice a little more due to less pain in the elbow as the turn around here in the summer gets rock hard.  Now I just wish my job would cooperate a little more.  Lol

 

would love to see the numbers on this vs the Stability Shaft.  Hopefully someone will get both and test on a big YT channel (maybe TXG).  

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On 6/22/2021 at 8:46 PM, ShAMbotay said:

back to the main topic at hand, when are we going to get graphite options for over-hosel putter designs? I'm rather entrenched in my particular putter, and while I've looked longingly at things like the 2-ball ten triple track, and the 3D printed Supernova, I always think "I can't give up the Pokéball weights" and never buy it.

Don't judge.

 

I have a 2014 GoLo 3, and I've been wanting to try a graphite shaft in it for a while, so this over-hosel thing in the picture is something I can get behind.

 

Has there been any news on if something like this will see the market?

 

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I got to admit. I love my fujikura shafted putter. But I want to try one of these. Haha

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Looks business for sure. I'm in the carbon > steel camp. You can design much more with it. That said, I do ride a steel bike, but mainly for nostalgic reasons and there always has to be "that guy" in the riding group...

 

 

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On 6/16/2021 at 10:22 PM, ShAMbotay said:

the thing about graphite shafts is that you can take all the properties that you measure for a shaft, and set them to specific numbers largely independent from one another compared to steel. this makes graphite objectively superior to steel in every way imaginable, since you can make a graphite shaft that is 100% identical to steel, numbers-wise, except say it can also have lower torque, plus it will dampen vibrations, and be better for your joints. That's just the beginning, and you can go way further than that.

 

yes, there are still limits to what you can do with all of the measured numbers due to the technology available today, but within the next decade, we will probably be able to manufacture wild stuff, like torque ratings below 1.0 with a regular 80g iron shaft, or a 38g extra stiff driver shaft with a torque rating of 1.5. the possibilities are absolutely endless, and you simply can't do that with steel shafts, because at the end of the day, you can only do so much with steel. "graphite" shafts are made with innumerable different materials woven in wildly different ways, and we've arrived at the point where pros are starting to realize how much better these shafts can be than steel.

 

sorry for the book, but if you couldn't tell, I'm a bit passionate about composite shafts.

 

Thanks for sharing that, and also, your putter is sick lol

 

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my old man got a prototype la golf over hosel from our local rep. thing looks great in his toulon Las Vegas.

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