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Who do you think offers the best milling or best face technology like grooves or insert and why? 

 

I've had Bettinardi's FIT face and Roll Control Face, Odyssey's last few insert versions, Evnroll's Sweet Face Technology, and my Scotty's with just standard milling.

 

I have a SIK on the way with their DLT face, so I wanted to see what others had as opinions to see if they match my own perspectives. 

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Carbon steel with no milling (flat).   It's what I'm currently using and pmy putting has never been better 👍

Keep in mind that these face technologies are designed to do different things.   Evnroll's grooves, Cleveland's milling pattern, and Ping's TR grooves are designed to achieve the same speed

I've tried almost every modern face milling or insert under the sun except for the KB Pyramid Grooves which I have coming and the Bettinardi RCF which isn't in stores where I'm at.    The be

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the fit face, odyssey inserts, and evnroll felt too soft for me and I could never get the feel down.  I've only tried the scotty putters with light face milling and to me it was too hard feeling or maybe the sound that made it not comfortable to me.  I've found that I prefer deep face millings and recently the toulon has me enamored.  The sound and feel click all my boxes.  I havent tried the sik putters though.

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5 hours ago, Hunteruu said:

Who do you think offers the best milling or best face technology like grooves or insert and why? 

 

I've had Bettinardi's FIT face and Roll Control Face, Odyssey's last few insert versions, Evnroll's Sweet Face Technology, and my Scotty's with just standard milling.

 

I have a SIK on the way with their DLT face, so I wanted to see what others had as opinions to see if they match my own perspectives. 

I have not seen the sik on quintic, but no doubt the Evnroll groove technology is superior to others.

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20 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

I have not seen the sik on quintic, but no doubt the Evnroll groove technology is superior to others.


The TXG YouTube channel did SIK on Quintic recently with the new Cobra putters that have their DLT on them. Those results were outstanding as well. 
 

 

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Keep in mind that these face technologies are designed to do different things.

 

Evnroll's grooves, Cleveland's milling pattern, and Ping's TR grooves are designed to achieve the same speed across the face. In theory, this means your putts will go the same distance no matter where on the face you hit the ball.

 

On the other hand, you have Bettinardi's Roll Control grooves, TaylorMade's insert, and Odyssey's Microhinges. These are all designed to aid in the creation of forward roll on the ball. Balls with top spin are supposed to stay on line better and roll truer.

 

Sik's face tech is supposed to deliver the same loft no matter where on the face you hit the ball (vertically speaking). So even if you hit the ball a little thin and low on the face, you'll get the same launch as a putt the correctly strikes above center.

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I like Bettinardi's FIT best ... but I was also very fond of the original Rife grooves (and I think I was in the minority).

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I've tried almost every modern face milling or insert under the sun except for the KB Pyramid Grooves which I have coming and the Bettinardi RCF which isn't in stores where I'm at. 

 

The best for roll to this point is the Bobby Grace inserts. But they're super soft, he's apparently come out with a firmer aluminum but still too soft for some or not pleasing to the ear. 

 

Best milled is SIK and like @MaineMarinersaid it's for constant launch which makes a huge difference cause you can hit down on the ball with a Bobby Grace or anything else and it will just die into the ground. 

 

The Bettinardi F.I.T. Face is more a feel milling than anything else but for some it helps with speed. Their RCF is supposed to be an evolution of the FIT and also helps the YES C-Groove patent expired cause they used that too when milling those putters for Fitzpatrick. This could be a great face for getting roll on the ball. 

 

Evnroll I'm gonna say meh, wasn't a fan and honestly Rife stole this idea from Ping with their TR Grooves. I know some diehard Rife fans but I'll die on that hill saying Rife is the best used car sales man in golf and he's admitted to it. Plus many other companies have a similar face milling. 

 

When I get my KB putter I'll comment on that. 

 

But also a standard fly mill or no milling work awesome too even just simple horizontal grooves. I've tried them all and with some practical to get speed down any putter can be deadly. No putter will make up for a bad stroke, bad line and awful speed. Again get speed down and you will be a better putter no matter what you use. 

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10 hours ago, Hunteruu said:

Who do you think offers the best milling or best face technology like grooves or insert and why? 

 

I've had Bettinardi's FIT face and Roll Control Face, Odyssey's last few insert versions, Evnroll's Sweet Face Technology, and my Scotty's with just standard milling.

 

I have a SIK on the way with their DLT face, so I wanted to see what others had as opinions to see if they match my own perspectives. 

Thought there was something to TMAGs org spyder with the grey insert 

 

Bettinardi fit face , had bb0 putter dass with fit face , way too soft IMOP , on a carbon putter it would feel like punching a bag full of terry cloth towels 

 

betti fly mill is nice and firm , the honeycomb is great on the carbon heads 

 

 

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4 hours ago, MaineMariner said:

Keep in mind that these face technologies are designed to do different things.

 

Evnroll's grooves, Cleveland's milling pattern, and Ping's TR grooves are designed to achieve the same speed across the face. In theory, this means your putts will go the same distance no matter where on the face you hit the ball.

 

On the other hand, you have Bettinardi's Roll Control grooves, TaylorMade's insert, and Odyssey's Microhinges. These are all designed to aid in the creation of forward roll on the ball. Balls with top spin are supposed to stay on line better and roll truer.

 

Sik's face tech is supposed to deliver the same loft no matter where on the face you hit the ball (vertically speaking). So even if you hit the ball a little thin and low on the face, you'll get the same launch as a putt the correctly strikes above center.

Evnroll grooves are to eliminate skidding in addition to regulating speed, and to gear a ball back online. Guerin’s original design going back a couple decades ago to Micro Groove Spalding putters he designed before starting Rife. 
 

 

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Thanks for all of the replies everyone. 

 

Pretty on par with the general consensus, but I do prefer a bit of a softer feel. 

 

I loved the roll I got from both of Bettinardi's milling, but found the putters themselves too unforgiving in my less than perfect stroke. When I did hit them pure, they were amazing. If a iNOVAi 3.0 ever surfaces in lefty, I'll give them another go. 

 

The Odyssey line has always been a favorite to me. Soft, yet responsive. I can't say I have too much bad to say about them, but they just don't offer anything currently I'd game. The Ten was great, so maybe the next version of that after the two ball thing goes away (was never a fan).

 

I recently got an Evenroll ER10, and I can't seem to love this any more than I do. High MOI with an aluminum face, and the grooves that seem to do what they say. For me, that means dispersion. I  much more consistent and closes to the hole on longer putts than anything else I've ever rolled. It actually made me pull the trigger to get an ER5 just to see if it's a fluke and to feel it from a steel face. 

 

Scotty's I've had have all be aluminum faces (again, my preference), and are super predictable. I love it, but I can't say I get the same results as I do from the Evnroll. I mean, I'll never get rid of it, but it may only come out for fun days.

 

I'm really interested in how the SIK will be. I know it's a steel face, so not my usual, but I really wanted to see if anything else could dethrone the ER10. If not, I'm not unhappy, but at least I'll know and get to feel what the hype is about. 

 

Can't say I've looked into a Bobby Grace, but I'll give it a look after reading a few of y'all mention it. 

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I've really come to appreciate the Bettinardi Roll Control Face. It really does impact the quality of roll in a noticeable way.

 

As @MattM97 states, the RCF is really similar to the Yes! C-Groove from many years back. Those of you still lamenting Yes!'s demise might want to check out Bettinardi.

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I've really come to appreciate the Bettinardi Roll Control Face. It really does impact the quality of roll in a noticeable way.

 

As @MattM97 states, the RCF is really similar to the Yes! C-Groove from many years back. Those of you still lamenting Yes!'s demise might want to check out Bettinardi.

 

The Yes design is still technically alive in the TaylorMade inserts or maybe they're past that. But when TM acquired Adam's which owned Yes they put that tech into their inserts right away.

 

But since the patent is now expired any putter maker can use that milling and angles. Which could be really cool if you're a die hard Yes fan and want something modern. 

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1 hour ago, MattM97 said:

 

The Yes design is still technically alive in the TaylorMade inserts or maybe they're past that. But when TM acquired Adam's which owned Yes they put that tech into their inserts right away.

 

But since the patent is now expired any putter maker can use that milling and angles. Which could be really cool if you're a die hard Yes fan and want something modern. 

 

Yeah, I remember seeing a few versions of the C-grooves on here in the last couple of years, but seems like no one ever really sticks to it the way Yes! did. It must be a conspiracy to keep people putting poorly and continuously thinking they need a new putter.

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 IMO, the best face tech is anything with horizontal grooves.  I find I get the best roll out of the ball with putters like the Spiders and even my Anser Milled 2.  May not offer the best feel, but to me there is no question they are best for getting the ball rolling without skid.

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1 hour ago, Nixhex524 said:

 IMO, the best face tech is anything with horizontal grooves.  I find I get the best roll out of the ball with putters like the Spiders and even my Anser Milled 2.  May not offer the best feel, but to me there is no question they are best for getting the ball rolling without skid.

I agree with you. I have a TM TP soto and it rolls amazing 

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On 6/21/2021 at 11:00 AM, BostonWRX said:

I agree with you. I have a TM TP soto and it rolls amazing 

So funny that you guys are saying this. I’ve been searching for a putter (I’m embarrassed to admit how many I’ve bought and sold at this point), and today I was absolutely shocked at how well I was rolling the new hydro blast TP. 

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This isnt anything "groove tech" but this is one of the purest feeling putters I have rolled.

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, mistaklavin said:

So funny that you guys are saying this. I’ve been searching for a putter (I’m embarrassed to admit how many I’ve bought and sold at this point), and today I was absolutely shocked at how well I was rolling the new hydro blast TP. 

No doubt. Best looking and feeling putter TM has ever made.

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