2021 KPMG Women's PGA Championship (Jun 24 - 27)

[KBong]

1 hour ago, ChronicSlicer said:

You get very defensive when someone calls you out on your "favorites" not living up to all the hype you have promoted on here.

LOL🤣

 

[KBong]

8 minutes ago, postfold said:

 

Nelly the person is kinda boring to watch but her game more than makes up for it.  Watch that swing and wish that you were 22, strong and flexible so you could copy it.

Ya...that 2nd shot into the par 5 on the back 9 was SCARY but GOOD....I think her Whoop JUMPED  to 200.🤣

Nice 2 eagles today.

[ChronicSlicer]

55 minutes ago, KBong said:

It's always been standard practice for Vols to pay.

I guess my definition of volunteer is different 🤔

[18majors]

25 minutes ago, agolf1 said:

What's your end of 2025 over/under for her?  15 wins and 3 majors?  I have no idea but wondering if someone will get closer to Yanni/Inbee vs. the pack stuck at 2 majors (and varying number of wins).

 

 

I know you're my true friend when you put me on the spot.

 

Jin Young Ko in 2019 had the best year since Inbee's 2013 when she won four tournaments including two Majors.  Jin Young started her professional career in 2013, so 2019 was her seventh professional season.

 

Nelly started Symetra Tour in 2016, so this is her sixth season; she needs to win one more Major to match Jin Young's 2019.

 

I think it's only fair if wait to see if Nelly could match or exceed Jin Young's 2019 before we start to deliberate her potential win total before end of 2025.

 

 

[RainShadow]

2 hours ago, 18majors said:

 

 

Am I wrong?

 

Don't forget, she's #25 on 2020 official money list as an 18/19 years old; much better than Nelly did in 2017.

 

As far as this season, there're still many tournaments to go.

 

 

[Titleist_PT23]

8 minutes ago, 18majors said:

I know you're my true friend when you put me on the spot.

 

Jin Young Ko in 2019 had the best year since Inbee's 2013 when she won four tournaments including two Majors.  Jin Young started her professional career in 2013, so 2019 was her seventh professional season.

 

Nelly started Symetra Tour in 2016, so this is her sixth season; she needs to win one more Major to match Jin Young's 2019.

 

I think it's only fair if wait to see if Nelly could match or exceed Jin Young's 2019 before we start to deliberate her potential win total before end of 2025.

Many apologies, many apologies.  I never really think some player is set to go on a tear once they've accomplished whatever because you never know.  Let's see if she can do better than Lexi / Brooke in the subsequent 4+ years after major win #1 (I think they are all in the same ballpark of talent/potential).  Of course, Lexi / Brooke are not done yet and they could be viewed a lot differently over the next handful of years.

[BadgerLin]

43 minutes ago, postfold said:

 

The American Princess has her crown!  What a magnificent display of golf.  Too bad we only got to see so much of it.

 

 

Nelly the person is kinda boring to watch but her game more than makes up for it.  Watch that swing and wish that you were 22, strong and flexible so you could copy it.

And when you follow her in person the sound of the ball leaving her club is awesome.

[3whacker]

very glad to see member of Team Jelly win a Major.....nice to see a couple of Americans at the tope of the leaderboard who didnt wilt or collapse on Sunday...my only criticism is that a Major won at -19 doesnt speak well for a course set up..had Nelly not gone real low with the 62,  Salas might have run  away and hid from the field, she putted lights out all week....

 

American golf needs a Champion of its own, dont know if Nelly is going to be able to fill that void but we will see...I did like seeing US flags at the top of the leaderboard

[grm24]

50 minutes ago, 3whacker said:

very glad to see member of Team Jelly win a Major.....nice to see a couple of Americans at the tope of the leaderboard who didnt wilt or collapse on Sunday...my only criticism is that a Major won at -19 doesnt speak well for a course set up..had Nelly not gone real low with the 62,  Salas might have run  away and hid from the field,

Nelly didn't shoot a 62. 

[KBong]

45 minutes ago, 3whacker said:

..my only criticism is that a Major won at -19 doesnt speak well for a course set up..

The PGA of America really blew it.

The course was defenseless because of rain and it was soft landing into the greens on approach shots and no rough.....was the PoA not capable to mandate to the membership how to take control of course conditions leading up to the event?...e.g.) length of rough and width of FW's?

Were conditions poor in Atlanta to grow the rough?

 

The USGA is typically at a venue years in advance.....especially for a USO.

 

They should have played the course much longer to keep the scores down.

 

Driveable par 4's w/o issues near the greens...WTH.

 

And the 18th should have been a long par 4....420-435...with a deadly pin position.

Ya she had a 3 stroke lead...but how lame for Nelly.....hybrid, GW and PW (really a GW length) for a par 5 finishing hole in a major...WTH.

[KBong]

FWIW....the trophy is very nice and quite heavy,

It was here in 2016 at our golf show in Feb....leading up to the KPMG in June at nearby Sahalee.

[3whacker]

1 hour ago, grm24 said:

Nelly didn't shoot a 62. 

You win the internet...she shot 63...my bad

[Titleist_PT23]

To me, the scores are too low and they aren't at the same time.  The winning score is definitely very low, and I think when you have four par 5s and a driveable par 4 (Nelly hit a 7W --> Par 3), the course is going to give up shots to "par."

 

But excluding Lizette and Nelly, it would have been a respectable number.  The separation wasn't quite Stenson-Phil at the 2016 Open but it wasn't that far off either.  I'd give Lizette and Nelly credit for playing four very solid rounds, regardless of what "par" may have been.

 

The course definitely had trouble out there, and I think 18 should have been a beast of a  par 4 but it is what it is.  Still, is quite interesting how different the top two players are (game wise).  Pre-tourney I had a hunch the long/relatively accurate drivers (Nelly, Lexi, Brooke) may have an advantage this week, as all players at this level can really attack soft greens (maybe putting or missing GIRs becomes less of an issue).  I hated going with Nelly back-to-back or the Lexi rebound from USWO call though so kept quiet.  Regardless, beyond the top two players I'd say the board itself was a mixed bag (HJK is not a long hitter, Patty is) so who knows (not proclaiming to be right here).  At the end of the day it's often a few loose shots you get away with or the handful of bomb putts/crazy saves that can really make a difference when running up the score.  The history books only remember the outcome...

[Yellow Jacket]

10 hours ago, KBong said:

If you want a shirt, hat, a pass for you and a guest and free shift food...then go for it.

If not....buy a weekly pass....maybe check out Craigslist a week before for a pass from someone who needs to dump it.

I registered to be a walking scorer last night before I saw your post. 😞 My understanding is it's the most sought after position and they draw for it, so I might get a different crappy job. I don't like the idea of paying to be a volunteer, but the chance to walk inside the ropes with the players would be worth the price of admission.

[Argonne69]

If they could have played the back nine twice we'd have really had a major. The median score of the player's who made the cut was +2. That's not bad. A quick spot check shows numerous doubles or worse. Now, there were 32 players under par. In 2020 there were only 8 players under par.  There were 20 in '19, 27 in '18, and 35 in '17. The KPMG is no USWO.

 

OK, so were do we find all the new stats? I want to know total putts made, and proximity to the hole. Nelly hit 61 greens and averaged 30 putts. She sure seemed to be making quite a few medium length ones, and a couple of longer ones. Lizette averaged 28 putts on 59 greens.

 

[Argonne69]

8 minutes ago, Yellow Jacket said:

I registered to be a walking scorer last night before I saw your post. 😞 My understanding is it's the most sought after position and they draw for it, so I might get a different crappy job. I don't like the idea of paying to be a volunteer, but the chance to walk inside the ropes with the players would be worth the price of admission.

 

Which is basically why they charge. I imagine you'd have hundreds if not thousands of folks lining up to walk inside the ropes with the players.

 

I may be mistaken, but the money collected does go into the pot for charity.

 

[18majors]

1 hour ago, agolf1 said:

The history books only remember the outcome...

 

 

Amen, it's also true with Nicklaus (73 and 18) and Tiger (82 and 15).

[Argonne69]

4 hours ago, KBong said:

The PGA of America really blew it.

The course was defenseless because of rain and it was soft landing into the greens on approach shots and no rough.....was the PoA not capable to mandate to the membership how to take control of course conditions leading up to the event?...e.g.) length of rough and width of FW's?

Were conditions poor in Atlanta to grow the rough?

 

The USGA is typically at a venue years in advance.....especially for a USO.

 

They should have played the course much longer to keep the scores down.

 

Driveable par 4's w/o issues near the greens...WTH.

 

And the 18th should have been a long par 4....420-435...with a deadly pin position.

Ya she had a 3 stroke lead...but how lame for Nelly.....hybrid, GW and PW (really a GW length) for a par 5 finishing hole in a major...WTH.

 

This was the 4th winning score of -19 in 12 years. 'Not exactly a rare feat.

 

BTW, nice avatar. Lol.

 

[Argonne69]

Nelly just notched her 8th top 10 in 11 starts. That's an impressive season I'd say. Three wins, 2T, 3rd, 3T, and a pair of 10Ts. 

 

[tbowles411]

43 minutes ago, Argonne69 said:

Nelly just notched her 8th top 10 in 11 starts. That's an impressive season I'd say. Three wins, 2T, 3rd, 3T, and a pair of 10Ts. 

 

I could not have been more pleased that Nelly won.  She didn't just win, she was dominant to go back-to-back.  I think the whole "best sister act" thread can be put to rest now.

 

P.S. Most of us played a 7 wood before it was cool!  LOL

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by tbowles411

[MagicClassic407]

2 hours ago, Argonne69 said:

 

Which is basically why they charge. I imagine you'd have hundreds if not thousands of folks lining up to walk inside the ropes with the players.

 

I may be mistaken, but the money collected does go into the pot for charity.

 

I'll be a walking scorer in a couple weeks at the Marathon Classic. We pay $60. I've been on this committee for decades (starting at Firestone w/PGA) and many changes have occurred, including now one must be INVITED to be on it. We usually get several days passes, not sure about this year. Plus, as it can be considered charitable volunteer work, we write it off as such including at least a portion of the mileage/accommodations. 

 

Congrats Nelly! As I worked the Women's PGA last year at Aronimink, I recall she withdrew w/back issues in a MUCH cooler environment. Me thinks the weather in Atlanta was to her benefit in winning this one. 

[18majors]

 

That's it, Nelly, you cement your status in golf once you've kids chanting for you!  In essence, that's golf, sports and life all about; making future better for next generations.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by 18majors

[KBong]

2 hours ago, Argonne69 said:

 

This was the 4th winning score of -19 in 12 years. 'Not exactly a rare feat.

 

BTW, nice avatar. Lol.

 

You know a winning score of -19 at a major is stupid.

[postfold]

4 hours ago, agolf1 said:

To me, the scores are too low and they aren't at the same time.  The winning score is definitely very low, and I think when you have four par 5s and a driveable par 4 (Nelly hit a 7W --> Par 3), the course is going to give up shots to "par."

 

But for Nelly and Lizette, scores were pretty reasonable.  The top two were just that good.  Personally I would have set up the course differently, but I'm not sure that adding distance would have made that much of a difference, since Nelly hits it as far as anyone. 

 

2 hours ago, Yellow Jacket said:

I registered to be a walking scorer last night before I saw your post. 😞 My understanding is it's the most sought after position and they draw for it, so I might get a different crappy job. I don't like the idea of paying to be a volunteer, but the chance to walk inside the ropes with the players would be worth the price of admission.

 

I would think the experience is definitely worth the cost and there is value to the perks that come along with volunteering, whether it's a grounds pass, parking, a nice shirt, whatever.

[18majors]

4 minutes ago, KBong said:

You know a winning score of -19 at a major is stupid.

 

"Stupid is as stupid does", by Forrest Gump.

[KBong]

4 hours ago, Yellow Jacket said:

I registered to be a walking scorer last night before I saw your post. 😞 My understanding is it's the most sought after position and they draw for it, so I might get a different crappy job. I don't like the idea of paying to be a volunteer, but the chance to walk inside the ropes with the players would be worth the price of admission.

IMO...the reason they charge $60-$150 to volunteer is twofold:

1) To help recover the cost of the shirt, hat, food to feed you, etc

2) But more importantly to gain COMMITTMENT from the vols.

If one is willingly to shell out $60-$150 to volunteer....they are likely serious about being involved at the event.

If it was free...you'd have a bunch of yahoos sign up just to get a free shirt, hat and more importantly....2 free weekly badges.....and then maybe not show up for their shifts.

What are you gonna do if someone doesn't show up for their shift to volunteer?....FIRE THEM?.....lol.

 

Yes....the walking scorer is a popular role...but ya actually have to work and avoid making mistakes.

I don't see any glamour 'being inside the ropes"...it's not as if the pros or loops are gonna be chatting with you for 4.5 hrs....yes they'll be nice to you because they know you are volunteering.

 

This is the LPGA and not the PGA tour....many groups might only have 4 fans watching them....the other 6 people following are likely family members.....so as a spectator....you can stand right on the ropes and be within a few ft of the pros at times.

 

And unless you have some seniority (volunteered in the past for many years) you might end up dew sweeping and be a walking scorer of some completely unknown journeywomen LPGA pros?...doesn't sound too exciting to me.

 

IMO...avoid being a Standard Bearer....it's a tough role...especially if it's windy...that sign is not easy to lug around for 5 hrs.

 

In the above 2 roles you're stuck with the same group for 5 hrs.

 

IMO...I think the best role is working the range.....you get to meet many many pros and loops....and it's the best place to watch the gals beating balls....this is a sought after role.

 

IMO....DON"T volunteer to work security....could you imagine working a 6 hr shift standing at a door in the clubhouse???

 

I volunteered at the 2003 CWO...I signed up late...so most roles were filed....I had a choice of security or maintenance.....all roles are different at each event.

So I chose maintenance.

My main role in maintenance was making sure 6 holes had enough ice and water bottles at the tee blocks.

 

It was the best role.

Why?

I had my own golf cart to deliver the supplies...I also had my own headset and walkie talkie...I was able to drive inside the ropes if need be to access areas to do my job.

The headset and walkie talkie were used to communicate with the division chair ......at times he needed vols to help with some heavy lifting chores and directed us where to go and who to speak with.

 

One day it was a bit cool....so I wore black casual dress slacks and casual black dress shoes (Rockports)....many fans though I was a rules official....lol.

 

They had me work at times with another vol too...but they were mostly elderly vols....so I suggested for them to sit in the cart when I was loading and unloading the supplies....I found they'd get in the way.

 

In a 6 hr shift....I could complete my main duties in about 2 hrs...leaving me 4 hrs to roam my 6 holes and watch some action...especially on the practice days from Mon-Wed....when things were a bit slow.

 

During a slow practice rd...Grace Park asked if she could sit in the cart while waiting for the tee block to clear. We chatted for a while...she was so charming and nice.

 

Have fun and let us know what role you get.

Edited June 28, 2021 by KBong

[JungleJimbo]

1 hour ago, KBong said:

During a slow practice rd...Grace Park asked if she could sit in the cart while waiting for the tee block to clear. We chatted for a while...she was so charming and nice.

@KBongLucky guy... would your view on the volunteer role have changed, if it hadn’t been one of your favourite players asking to sit in your cart? 😬🤔 (eg Crusty 🐌 🤡 instead of Grace Park) 

Edited June 28, 2021 by JungleJimbo

[KBong]

1 hour ago, JungleJimbo said:

@KBongLucky guy... would your view on the volunteer role have changed, if it hadn’t been one of your favourite players asking to sit in your cart? 😬🤔 (eg Crusty 🐌🤡 instead of Grace Park) 

LOL.

I would have lied and told Kerr I was called over to another hole and left.🤣

 

Have you watched Grace play golf?

I think Dave Brooker (JYK's current loop) was on Grace's bag that week.

Lorena was using a loop (Tom???) who used to caddie for Nancy Lopez.

 

It's a shame a bad back cut short Grace's career.

 

Grace should replace Judy in the booth...I doubt it would ever happen.

 

FWIW...Grace's family owns a very successful and popular Korean BBQ restaurant in Seoul...but supposedly a bit of a tourist trap.

 

IMO....Korean BBQ is kinda expensive.

 

KTown is only a par 5 west of Vancouver Golf Club....host venue in 1991, 2012 & 2015...VGC members voted against hosting the CWO for 2020.

 

There's a really well priced restaurant in KTown that has really great Gimbap...and serve this delicious complementary beef broth instead of tea.

Banchan are small complementary side dishes that arrive early before the meal is served at most Korean restaurants.

 

H-Mart is also a good Korean grocery store chain.

Edited June 28, 2021 by KBong

[wfallon]

Nelly korda has the sweetest swing ive ever seen

[grm24]

21 hours ago, 3whacker said:

You win the internet...she shot 63...my bad

Get your facts correct in your initial post and a reply like mine would not be needed. Facts are important.