The Open Championship 2021

[One Putter]

5 minutes ago, Oneput said:

On 12th Smith and Reed birdied. Rory was closest yet he par!

Post reads well in this guy's voice.

[chouls19]

Just now, Jay28 said:

 

 

Why?

Are the manufacturers above criticism?

If they make a totally s*** golf club for a player, they should be criticised.

Unless there is a specific contract clause, there is nothing Cobra can do about it other than drop him - at which point he'll be snapped up by another greedy manufacturer.

They gave him prototype heads. I don’t think it’s essential for it to be put into play. It’s not a crap club. Berkshire went to 227 mph with his head(similar specs) if you’re using a 4/5 degree driver and swinging 132 mph and trying to hit a tight fairway then I’m not sure there’s a club made that will protect you from mishits

[TiScape]

2 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

 

 

Why?

Are the manufacturers above criticism?

If they make a totally s*** golf club for a player, they should be criticised.

 

Did they make a s*** club for a player though… 

[Greg_B]

1 minute ago, TiScape said:

Did they make a s*** club for a player though… 

 

Seems like they made a club for a s***head player....

[bladehunter]

6 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

 

 

Why?

Are the manufacturers above criticism?

If they make a totally s*** golf club for a player, they should be criticised.

Unless there is a specific contract clause, there is nothing Cobra can do about it other than drop him - at which point he'll be snapped up by another greedy manufacturer.

Because they pay him to say nice things. Period. Only fools think people say nice things for free.  Only free agents do that. That’s when I listen.  Like Phil playing TM mini 2 woods.  That speaks. 
 

I agree with Bryson on point. The driver is not a good one in my opinion.  It might be better for others.  But at speed it’s dead feeling.  Really dead.  It isn’t fast off the face like callaway TM or even titleist.  But at lower speed it probably  is better.  
 

BUT he’s not supposed to say that out loud.  Lying by omission is part of his contract.  Sorry. But it is. If they can show cause they could absolutely sue. You can’t take pay and tank stock on purpose like that and not expect penalty.  

Edited July 15, 2021 by bladehunter

[Jay28]

Just now, chouls19 said:

They gave him prototype heads. I don’t think it’s essential for it to be put into play. It’s not a crap club. Berkshire went to 227 mph with his head(similar specs) if you’re using a 4/5 degree driver and swinging 132 mph and trying to hit a tight fairway then I’m not sure there’s a club made that will protect you from mishits

 

The point is that the manufacturers make such outrageous claims in their marketing that they can hardly complain when they are questioned or criticised.

They make hundreds of millions from conning gullible golfers every year, so I have little sympathy for them.

They also leverage the pros heavily to spin their yarns, so it's ironic that they have their panties in a bunch just because a pro said their driver was trash.

[TiScape]

2 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

 

The point is that the manufacturers make such outrageous claims in their marketing that they can hardly complain when they are questioned or criticised.

They make hundreds of millions from conning gullible golfers every year, so I have little sympathy for them.

They also leverage the pros heavily to spin their yarns, so it's ironic that they have their panties in a bunch just because a pro said their driver was trash.

Read the post above yours by blade to see how the real world works. 

[Jay28]

3 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Because they pay him to say nice things. Period. Only fools think people say nice things for free.  Only free agents do that. That’s when I listen.  Like Phil playing TM mini 2 woods.  That speaks. 
 

I agree with Bryson on point. The driver is not a good one in my opinion.  It might be better for others.  But at speed it’s dead feeling.  Really dead.  It isn’t fast off the face like callaway TM or even titleist.  But at lower speed it probably  is better.  
 

BUT he’s not supposed to say that out loud.  Lying by omission is part of his contract.  Sorry. But it is. If they can show cause they could absolutely sue. You can’t take pay and tank stock on purpose like that and not expect penalty.  

 

I haven't seen his contract, but yes, if he has signed up to only say nice things then they have recourse.  Still don't have sympathy with that, though. Nothing noble about paying a pro golfer to lie for them.

[Jay28]

2 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Read the post above yours by blade to see how the real world works. 

 

In the real world, can you post a copy of his contract?

I'd like to read it.  You've obviously seen it.

 

Looks to me like the Bryson haters just want to make a deal about it.  All he said was that the driver HE has is crap.  

 

Edited July 15, 2021 by Jay28

[chouls19]

1 minute ago, Jay28 said:

 

I haven't seen his contract, but yes, if he has signed up to only say nice things then they have recourse.  Still don't have sympathy with that, though. Nothing noble about paying a pro golfer to lie for them.

TaylorMade Callaway etc all do the same

[Jay28]

1 minute ago, chouls19 said:

TaylorMade Callaway etc all do the same

 

I am sure they do.

They all deserve criticism.

[chouls19]

6 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Because they pay him to say nice things. Period. Only fools think people say nice things for free.  Only free agents do that. That’s when I listen.  Like Phil playing TM mini 2 woods.  That speaks. 
 

I agree with Bryson on point. The driver is not a good one in my opinion.  It might be better for others.  But at speed it’s dead feeling.  Really dead.  It isn’t fast off the face like callaway TM or even titleist.  But at lower speed it probably  is better.  
 

BUT he’s not supposed to say that out loud.  Lying by omission is part of his contract.  Sorry. But it is. If they can show cause they could absolutely sue. You can’t take pay and tank stock on purpose like that and not expect penalty.  

I would disagree , on every test worth anything it’s s held its own. The XB also had TXG amazed at the lack of variables. Cobra make great stuff. Having fitted and worked in golf I d say I ve seen more TM product being brought back with collapsed faces etc

[bladehunter]

7 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

 

I haven't seen his contract, but yes, if he has signed up to only say nice things then they have recourse.  Still don't have sympathy with that, though. Nothing noble about paying a pro golfer to lie for them.

I’m not a contract attorney. But I’d bet anything theres a “ product support or defamation “ clause.  Doesn’t mean they’ll go at him this time. But I’d bet he is “ written up “ and warned to tee it up for the future.  

[WhostherealSlimShady]

Nobody gets less out of more talent than Rory, just kinda irritating to watch his sloppy play....major after major after major!

Edited July 16, 2021 by WhostherealSlimShady

[Jay28]

16 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Did they make a s*** club for a player though… 

 

According to the player they did.

If they can't actually make the club to the specs Bryson wants, they should have told him.  Maybe they did, don't know but it seems odd for them to be saying now they are not able to make the club to requirements having actually provided it to a tour pro - for a major tournament.

 

 

[bladehunter]

4 minutes ago, chouls19 said:

I would disagree , on every test worth anything it’s s held its own. The XB also had TXG amazed at the lack of variables. Cobra make great stuff. Having fitted and worked in golf I d say I ve seen more TM product being brought back with collapsed faces etc

I’m not talking longevity, I’m just saying that the heads don’t suit me.  Period.  I’ve played the infinity face.  And it’s a hard feeling face.  Sorry.  It is.  I’m not down on cobra. I had a f9 7 wood in my bag 2 months ago.  Great club. Jist didn’t fit the gap.  You don’t see free agents playin that drivers they’ll play tsi2 or 3 callaway or TM.  Some even ping or  mizuno , none in Rad.  You used to see a few play the LTD.   after that the feel went to pot.  

[bladehunter]

11 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

 

In the real world, can you post a copy of his contract?

I'd like to read it.  You've obviously seen it.

 

Looks to me like the Bryson haters just want to make a deal about it.  All he said was that the driver HE has is crap.  

 

If it helps you I’m not a Bryson hater. I’d choose him over Bruce. But.  He’s getting worse , and the scale is tipping toward offing them both !  Lol. 

[KennyP]

2 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I’m not a contract attorney. But I’d bet anything theres a “ product support or defamation “ clause.  Doesn’t mean they’ll go at him this time. But I’d bet he is “ written up “ and warned to tee it up for the future.  

 

Whether or not it's in breach of contract, it can't bode well for the future when he slags off his equipment & their rep retorts by calling him an 8 year old child.

[DrivingChamp]

I’m not even going to pretend I’ve ever heard of this dude with the man bun 

[bladehunter]

1 minute ago, Jay28 said:

 

According to the player they did.

If they can't actually make the club to the specs Bryson wants, they should have told him.  Maybe they did, don't know but it seems odd for them to be saying now they are not able to make the club to requirements having actually provided it to a tour pro - for a major tournament.

 

 

Another option he should employ instead of downing cobra clubs. Just try other brands. Most pros contracts allow other brands on performance.  As in if they don’t make a head that performs , you can substitute until they make one.  He could absolutely try others and not be wrong.    That’s how you see phil do it.  And he’s done it with bear every club from wedges to 2 wood.  Heck I think he even played a black spray painted m1 driver once.  

[TiScape]

2 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I’m not a contract attorney. But I’d bet anything theres a “ product support or defamation “ clause.  Doesn’t mean they’ll go at him this time. But I’d bet he is “ written up “ and warned to tee it up for the future.  

I think the details of his contract are irrelevant. He is paid to play their equipment. If you have an issue with a piece of equipment made for you by your main sponsor, you don’t put them on blast like that. Act like an adult, say you’ll do better tomorrow and figure it out with them behind closed doors. It’s called being a professional and having some class. I don’t care who you are. I’d say the same about ANY player that did the same. 

[TiScape]

4 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

 

According to the player they did.

If they can't actually make the club to the specs Bryson wants, they should have told him.  Maybe they did, don't know but it seems odd for them to be saying now they are not able to make the club to requirements having actually provided it to a tour pro - for a major tournament.

 

 

And you also probably believe his BS about Tim leaving the night before a tournament… 🙄

[Jay28]

Just now, bladehunter said:

If it helps you I’m not a Bryson hater. I’d choose him over Bruce. But.  He’s getting worse , and the scale is tipping toward offing them both !  Lol. 

 

 

I'm fairly neutral on Bryson - I think he's good for the game overall, but he does annoy me at times.

 

That said, on this occasion I am not sure what the fuss is about.

I do find it really strange that Cobra said this:

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Now he’s in a place where he’s swinging a 5-degree driver with 200 rpm of ball speed. Everybody is looking for a magic bullet. Well, the magic bullet becomes harder and harder to find the faster you swing and the lower your loft gets.

 

Seems to me they shouldn't be agreeing to make a driver that is a 'magic bullet' that can't be made  or is some kind of pipe dream.

 

You can bet your bottom dollar that if Bryson had a good day, they'd be telling the world how perfect their driver was. Longer, straighter, the most forgiving, blah blah blah.

[chouls19]

2 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I’m not talking longevity, I’m just saying that the heads don’t suit me.  Period.  I’ve played the infinity face.  And it’s a hard feeling face.  Sorry.  It is.  I’m not down on cobra. I had a f9 7 wood in my bag 2 months ago.  Great club. Jist didn’t fit the gap.  You don’t see free agents playin that drivers they’ll play tsi2 or 3 callaway or TM.  Some even ping or  mizuno , none in Rad.  You used to see a few play the LTD.   after that the feel went to pot.  

I think Cobra make incredible stuff but I have to admit what you say is true in terms of not being in many bags although Woodland uses the Rad atm. TM in my opinion make utter rubbish. I think the heads underperform for a lit of people and the shaft choices are made for rubbish a lot of the time. Each to their own

[bladehunter]

Just now, Jay28 said:

 

 

I'm fairly neutral on Bryson - I think he's good for the game overall, but he does annoy me at times.

 

That said, on this occasion I am not sure what the fuss is about.

I do find it really strange that Cobra said this:

 

Seems to me they shouldn't be agreeing to make a driver that is a 'magic bullet' that can't be made  or is some kind of pipe dream.

 

You can bet your bottom dollar that if Bryson had a good day, they'd be telling the world how perfect their driver was. Longer, straighter, the most forgiving, blah blah blah.

I get the comment. It’s the truth. Bryson is looking for the magic pill. He wants 200 mph balls speed and enough forgiveness to keep his mishits on the planet.  I don’t think that exists right now.  
 

people cite long drive guys as using this driver ok.  That’s not a fair comparison, all they have to do is hit a 100 yard wide runway.  With many tries.  This is one and done and narrower.  
 

Bryson is pushing the envelope. That’s fine. But the first guy always has to cut his way in. There isn’t a slot made already for him to slide into.  He needs to be patient , and stop acting like cobra isn’t trying. My opinion.  In the meantime he needs to hit fairways and stop worrying about ballspeed and carry until the magic wand is found.  

[bladehunter]

4 minutes ago, chouls19 said:

I think Cobra make incredible stuff but I have to admit what you say is true in terms of not being in many bags although Woodland uses the Rad atm. TM in my opinion make utter rubbish. I think the heads underperform for a lit of people and the shaft choices are made for rubbish a lot of the time. Each to their own

I agree in a way. TM is crap stock. But to fast guys , once tuned it’s hard to beat.  And you won’t find anyone here who thinks I’m a TM apologist..... lol. I was accused of hate for them this week on the mini thread , with years old posts cited.  Loll. I’m just telling what I see.   I have an RBZ 14.5 3 wood in the closet that to this day is 3 mph on average faster than any other 3 wood I’ve ever tested.  But I don’t like the flight it produces.  You just can’t call them slow.  If you’re fast they keep up at speed.  Some heads don’t.  The faster you get the more they are exposed as slouches.   My opinion.  

[KennyP]

If Bryson just swings too hard for the RAD, why doesn't he just dial it back a touch?

 

We were always told Tiger rarely went at it more than 80% and even at my level I can hit a smooth one.

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, DFS PFD said:

Remember how cool everyone thought it was when Tiger was so meticulous in picking is driver head out of hundreds literally and other club heads? But Bryson is an idiot for doing the same lol

 

Where is the quote on TW saying,

 

This driver sucks?

 

 

TW win like Open with

 

No driver!

 

🤣

 

 

[chouls19]

2 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I agree in a way. TM is crap stock. But to fast guys , once tuned it’s hard to beat.  And you won’t find anyone here who thinks I’m a TM apologist..... lol. I was accused of hate for them this week on the mini thread , with years old posts cited.  Loll. I’m just telling what I see.   I have an RBZ 14.5 3 wood in the closet that to this day is 3 mph on average faster than any other 3 wood I’ve ever tested.  But I don’t like the flight it produces.  You just can’t call them slow.  If you’re fast they keep up at speed.  Some heads don’t.  The faster you get the more they are exposed as slouches.   My opinion.  

But the head he uses is the same Berkshire uses ... it ain’t slow. Buts it’s 5 degrees and nothing in 5 degrees is going to hit a tight fairway if mishit 

[Jay28]

Marketing : COBRA RADSPEED : BUILT FOR SPEED

 

Reality : ...unless its too much speed, in which case you are a baby if you complain.