where am i losing power? two vids..

[jonsnow]

17 minutes ago, Teekman said:

As someone who is actually surprisingly good but constantly fighting Over the Top Move, this video has me extremely perplexed ... and now I'm even more confused lmao.

 

The way this demonstration of a proper weight shifts looks to my eyes ... is basically by the time you get to the downswing you should be loaded on your front side???

Is that to eliminate the sliding action common in most golfers???

 

Not saying you're wrong, I've relied solely on hand eye coordination with crappy mechanics, but always thought you load on your back side and then transfer on the downswing?

It is a new understanding of how the pressure moves in good swings; the guys at Athletic Motion Golf talk about it a lot. Their analysis of tour players vs. amateurs shows the pressure loads into the right side early in the backswing & begins moving to the left side much earlier than has traditionally been taught. Before the backswing rotation is complete, there is a movement they refer to as "surfing" which moves the pressure back to the left side. I thought it was strange too, it looked like what I always thought was a reverse pivot. But it makes the swing much more dynamic. I've become a believer.

[TLUBulldogGolf]

Others have touched on the reasons but into and through impact the club is completely disconnected from your turn, almost like you are just throwing the club through with your hands. 

[trilerian]

1 hour ago, Teekman said:

As someone who is actually surprisingly good but constantly fighting Over the Top Move, this video has me extremely perplexed ... and now I'm even more confused lmao.

 

The way this demonstration of a proper weight shifts looks to my eyes ... is basically by the time you get to the downswing you should be loaded on your front side???

Is that to eliminate the sliding action common in most golfers???

 

Not saying you're wrong, I've relied solely on hand eye coordination with crappy mechanics, but always thought you load on your back side and then transfer on the downswing?

 

This is exactly what Monte has me working on right now, and when I get it right it feels like I am falling towards the target while the club is still going back.  It takes a bit to get used to, especially since I was a move the weight to the trail foot guy, wait to get to the top, then slide way forward to start my downswing.  So make that initial shift of about 80% to the trail leg, then you start shifting to the lead leg from there.  

[Teekman]

1 hour ago, jonsnow said:

It is a new understanding of how the pressure moves in good swings; the guys at Athletic Motion Golf talk about it a lot. Their analysis of tour players vs. amateurs shows the pressure loads into the right side early in the backswing & begins moving to the left side much earlier than has traditionally been taught. Before the backswing rotation is complete, there is a movement they refer to as "surfing" which moves the pressure back to the left side. I thought it was strange too, it looked like what I always thought was a reverse pivot. But it makes the swing much more dynamic. I've become a believer.

Can't wait to try this at the range, been probably tinkering too much with my game before US Am Qualifier but I still bomb drives so hopefully this makes them go farther lmao.

[MonteScheinblum]

2 hours ago, Teekman said:

As someone who is actually surprisingly good but constantly fighting Over the Top Move, this video has me extremely perplexed ... and now I'm even more confused lmao.

 

The way this demonstration of a proper weight shifts looks to my eyes ... is basically by the time you get to the downswing you should be loaded on your front side???

Is that to eliminate the sliding action common in most golfers???

 

Not saying you're wrong, I've relied solely on hand eye coordination with crappy mechanics, but always thought you load on your back side and then transfer on the downswing?

It’s been measured.  Elite golfers start the shift before the end of the backswing.  If you wait till the end of the backswing, it’s too late.  As I said, watch Hogan, you can see it clearly.

[MonteScheinblum]

18 minutes ago, Teekman said:

Can't wait to try this at the range, been probably tinkering too much with my game before US Am Qualifier but I still bomb drives so hopefully this makes them go farther lmao.

As a +3, you likely do it already.

[Teekman]

5 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

As a +3, you likely do it already.

Haha unfortunately been playing a slight pull to compensate for my swing faults. Scoring is large part mental, at least I got that part of the game from all that tennis growing up.

[jonsnow]

28 minutes ago, Teekman said:

Can't wait to try this at the range, been probably tinkering too much with my game before US Am Qualifier but I still bomb drives so hopefully this makes them go farther lmao.

If I were a +3 I'd think long & hard before tinkering too much especially before a US Am qualifier! 🙂 Monte has mentioned Mike & Sean, the Athletic Motion Golf guys, before; I think he has some relationship with them. 

[milesgiles]

On 6/23/2021 at 1:32 AM, MattStrube said:

I would say, yes, a better turn back. I disagree with not extending that leg, but I do agree that you do it a bit early. Your arms go long, but you don't get as much upper thoracic spine extension at the top and stop turning back.  That's part of it, but the bigger issue is an early release...Face is a bit open, You aren't rotating properly on the downswing and that ends up having you throwing angles. 

 

Its subtle, but you stand up and your right arm is straight at impact.  Ideally, on the way down, you would add some right bend and lower lumbar extension (arch. your back/stick ur butt out), that would allow you to have your shoulders more open at impact and open up more with a bent right arm.  That would help you stay in the shot a little better and turn more.  

 

Speed & Power come from the rotation of your spine and not the throwing of the club at the ball.  

 

If you were one of my players, I'd have you start at impact and feel that right bend and lumbar extension, take half swings, and then slowly work your way up.  This is your main issue, not necessarily the backswing.  Fixing the backswing might help, but the root cause is through impact.  Some players can naturally get here with a better backswing, most cant.

 

 

poor camera angle, but with the right knee flexed more:

 

25/06/21 - YouTube

 

 

got to 158 ball speed which is a near pb so very happy with that, was feeling a little strain in the right knee so proceeding carefully lol

[goobers80]

On 6/23/2021 at 1:52 PM, Teekman said:

As someone who is actually surprisingly good but constantly fighting Over the Top Move, this video has me extremely perplexed ... and now I'm even more confused lmao.

 

The way this demonstration of a proper weight shifts looks to my eyes ... is basically by the time you get to the downswing you should be loaded on your front side???

Is that to eliminate the sliding action common in most golfers???

 

Not saying you're wrong, I've relied solely on hand eye coordination with crappy mechanics, but always thought you load on your back side and then transfer on the downswing?

The braced right leg with the propers hip depth is “loading” your right side. You can load the club in transition and just open up as fast as you can because you are into the left pivot side so much easier and cleaner. 
 

The right then left move is no good and probably costs a lot some speed and consistency. And look how many injuries happen on tour as a result. This was what Slicefixer was on about many moons ago before wrx. You still turn “behind” the ball this way. DeChambeau will be interesting on the injury fronts because he bulked up but is not restricting anything. 
 

The need to squat or whatevers and spin is not necessary to pound the ball. You are already using the ground when done properly. 
 

It really is not new as even Hogan figured it out among others way before now. And as mentioned Slicefixer worked it out a long time back now as well. 

Edited June 26, 2021 by goobers80

[Teekman]

6 minutes ago, goobers80 said:

The braced right leg with the propers hip depth is “loading” your right side. You can load the club in transition and just open up as fast as you can because you are into the left pivot side so much easier and cleaner. 
 

The right then left move is no good and probably costs a lot some speed and consistency. And look how many injuries happen on tour as a result. This was what Slicefixer was on about many moons ago before wrx. You still turn “behind” the ball this way. DeChambeau will be interesting on the injury fronts because he bulked up but is not restricting anything. 
 

The need to squat or whatevers and spin is not necessary to pound the ball. You are already using the ground when done properly. 
 

It really is not new as even Hogan figured it out among others way before now. And as mentioned Slicefixer worked it out a long time back now as well. 

Lol so many ideas here, tried on range and definitely wait till after qualifier to tinker with it. I still get over 120+ with the driver with my semi over the plane swing so not like I’m exactly tapping it out there.

[goobers80]

7 hours ago, Teekman said:

Lol so many ideas here, tried on range and definitely wait till after qualifier to tinker with it. I still get over 120+ with the driver with my semi over the plane swing so not like I’m exactly tapping it out there.

You can come over backswing plane and still be fine. The point being is a hip turn that is deep gives you room to come to the ball. 

[Teekman]

2 hours ago, goobers80 said:

You can come over backswing plane and still be fine. The point being is a hip turn that is deep gives you room to come to the ball. 

Lol what is a “deep hip turn” really want to know now.

[Valtiel]

2 hours ago, goobers80 said:

You can come over backswing plane and still be fine. The point being is a hip turn that is deep gives you room to come to the ball. 

 

Viktor Hovland is a great example of this. 👍

 

43 minutes ago, Teekman said:

Lol what is a “deep hip turn” really want to know now.

 

It is what was being discussed in your other thread with the AMG video. Depth in this case = distance from the ball. A "deep" hip turn is one that either maintains or even increases its distance from the ball during/throughout the swing. That depth maintains the space created at address which that allows the arms room to come down on plane. The flatter your swing is, the more crucial maintaining hip depth is. More upright swings can get away with some hip depth loss. 

 

Also generally speaking, loss of hip depth + early extension = goat hump 🐐 

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

On 6/22/2021 at 5:46 AM, milesgiles said:

 

 

 

improved my swing as much as covid has made practise intermittent, and I do work on some speed drills regularly but Im still lacking speed (alright its slo mo but it was still pretty much flat out). I just have a lazy swing, Im straight but can barely crack 150 ball speed which is costing me against the younger studs at my club.

 

Anything obvious? It looks janky on the follow through, and I am working on matching hip and arm turn since I complete with the hips too early in the bs. Why does it look like I swing across the line at the top? Is that some early extension? Any thoughts chaps?

Your swing looks pretty decent, hit straight with a 150 ball speed and are complaining?

 

Getting old sucks… LOL! Cheers!

[golfarb1]

The famous Ben Hogan grid swing.

The way to really compress the ball and to maximize distance is lateral motion of the pelvis towards the target at the very end of the backswing. 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by golfarb1

[milesgiles]

5 hours ago, golfarb1 said:

The famous Ben Hogan grid swing.

The way to really compress the ball and to maximize distance is lateral motion of the pelvis towards the target at the very end of the backswing. 

 

 

 

 

yeah I check AMG videos regularly its a real theme of theirs and one of the biggest differences of the pro's.. hips/ base of the spine moving in what I would call a counterintuitive way through the swing.

[milesgiles]

7 hours ago, Lincoln_Arcadia said:

Your swing looks pretty decent, hit straight with a 150 ball speed and are complaining?

 

Getting old sucks… LOL! Cheers!

 

Im in the 150s on the range on top tracer but Id assume slower on the course. Even another 5-10mph would make a huge difference on the course I play I'll sell my soul to do it...