Old clubs? Anyone still gaming 10+ yr old stuff

[BIG STU]

9 hours ago, Esox said:

My 21 yr old son is playing my late 90's Yonex ADX Tours (3-10, PW, SW ). Simply the best feeling, best looking forged club I have ever hit, and I have hit some classics. He is also putting with a late 70's Ping.

I have never hit the ADX Tours but if they feel as good as the ADX Tour 8802 style putter then you have superior feel. I had one I found on the scrap pile at work. I ended up giving it to a young friend of mine who was trying to pass his PAT for his Class A card. LOL he still has it. 

[Esox]

1 hour ago, BIG STU said:

I have never hit the ADX Tours but if they feel as good as the ADX Tour 8802 style putter then you have superior feel. I had one I found on the scrap pile at work. I ended up giving it to a young friend of mine who was trying to pass his PAT for his Class A card. LOL he still has it. 

If you ever get the chance, hit one. I was playing Macgregor Tournies when I switched to the Yonexs. Got two of my aces with them, they are just so predictable and pure with a good stroke.  Thankfully I was single, those irons were over a grand in late 90's dollars......

[sevenfourate]

I’ve just bought these irons today. And after a re-grip they are going straight in the bag….

 

As a lover of older equipment - I cannot explain the joy and excitement !

 

***And yes to the original question. I think likely many clubs in my bag are 10 years or older. I’m currently 49 and comfortably hold a Scratch handicap not playing too much golf.
 

It’s not the arrows per-se…..

[joostin]

20 hours ago, Drivingrangehero said:

Adams Super 9031 proto hybrid when they were $23.99 for the head only (the 23* is in and out of my bag regularly depending on where I’m playing.

 

20 hours ago, Drivingrangehero said:

Some of the older Adams stuff still can’t be beat IMHO! 

Agreed!  My wife took over my Super 9031 23° after I let her hit it, and it's now her go to club 😆.  I should actually change my signature... Back to my Mizuno MP-H4 utility-like 4 iron which plays similarly for me to that hybrid.  Btw my Adams driver #1 hits a little longer than my TS2 driver #2.  #adamsloveisstillstrong

[Drivingrangehero]

18 minutes ago, joostin said:

 

Agreed!  My wife took over my Super 9031 23° after I let her hit it, and it's now her go to club 😆.  I should actually change my signature... Back to my Mizuno MP-H4 utility-like 4 iron which plays similarly for me to that hybrid.  Btw my Adams driver #1 hits a little longer than my TS2 driver #2.  #adamsloveisstillstrong

I posted some thing in a different location about old driver and new driver.

 

 I get the exact same ball speed with my ping G410 LST   With an aftermarket TX shaft  as I do my 2006 Titleist 905R with a pro force V2 bumblebee shaft. There is no difference and the Titleist shaft is 1/4 inch shorter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

the Ping is lower spin and more forgiving 

 

[BIG STU]

39 minutes ago, Drivingrangehero said:

I posted some thing in a different location about old driver and new driver.

 

 I get the exact same ball speed with my ping G410 LST   With an aftermarket TX shaft  as I do my 2006 Titleist 905R with a pro force V2 bumblebee shaft. There is no difference and the Titleist shaft is 1/4 inch shorter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

the Ping is lower spin and more forgiving 

 

LOL I have a 905R with the V-2 Bumble Bee shaft. Right now it is a little stiff for me but man back in the day I used to bomb it

[dhappy42]

6 hours ago, Fellaheen51 said:

 

Ni ISI's play splendidly for a 25 year old design.  Reshafted to ones more suitable to current realities.  A mixed bag of old and new.  The V-Steels due for a shaft evolution during the off season.  The B60 has been seeing more bag time of late, due to making a few putts with it.  

 

What shafts are in you V-Steels now?

[Fellaheen51]

4 hours ago, dhappy42 said:

What shafts are in you V-Steels now?

 

Grafalloy PL Platinum 75g S in the 7, GD YS6+ R in the 9.  Retired V's have PL Plats in a 4 and 5.  The new 5 in the bag was mostly to evaluate playing a LW (50g) A flex shaft in a fairway.  Discovering that I quite like the Kuro Kage HBP shaft.  As a more seasoned golfer, LW is proving beneficial and not having any control issues with A flex.  Likely be the shaft I'll install in the 7 & 9 this off season.  

[Esox]

I was playing 20 yr old Mizuno MX20's I picked up used last year when I started golfing again because my youngest had taken up the game. Great clubs, but I decided my old self needed some more help.  Bought a set of Titleist T300's a few months back. At first I had some reservations when I got them on the course, seemed like the only shot they knew was high and straight. They may not be blades, but they can be knocked down and worked either way, while giving incredible forgiveness at the same time.

And I was playing a Wilson Killer Whale from the early 90's till my kid gave me a Ping G400. What a difference!

Edited August 21, 2021 by Esox

[Esox]

I should add, my kid recently won a closest to the pin for some nice coin using an old 1990s(?) Burner Bubble 7 wood on a 218 yard slightly uphill par 3. It was a club tossed in on a deal that he took a liking to, he liked the solid feel..

Edited August 22, 2021 by Esox

[Vater]

During covid, I upgraded everything to about circa 2018, all new clubs. In the past few weeks, I picked up a SIM Max driver.

 

However, I still have my V Steel 3 wood. I think I bought it new in 2003.

[chipa]

2 hours ago, Esox said:

I should add, my kid recently won a closest to the pin for some nice coin using an old 1990s(?) Burner Bubble 7 wood on a 218 yard slightly uphill par 3. It was a club tossed in on a deal that he took a liking to, he liked the solid feel..

 

I have a Big Bertha from the same era and all I can say is I wish I had gotten one before.

[ws6]

I play a TEE CB4 with a Grafalloy Axis 95 shaft. I love that 3 wood.  

[BIG STU]

On 8/21/2021 at 12:07 PM, dhappy42 said:

What shafts are in you V-Steels now?

3 wood -- Old Aldila green NVS 65 R---- I did not build that club but found it on the scrap pile where I did work. 

7 Wood----- UST Pro Force Gold 65 R------ That shaft I have had for years in that thing--- I had it in the 65 Gold Stiff days for me when all of my metals had the 65 Gold Stiff in them. I had that club set up to hit a slight draw when needed the tip is a little stiff but it works for me. I bought that club new and then it had a stock TM stiff in it. Ended up after 5 years or so breaking that shaft off at the tip and had got on the Gold 65 kick then. 

[BIG STU]

On 8/21/2021 at 10:47 PM, Esox said:

I should add, my kid recently won a closest to the pin for some nice coin using an old 1990s(?) Burner Bubble 7 wood on a 218 yard slightly uphill par 3. It was a club tossed in on a deal that he took a liking to, he liked the solid feel..

Never ever let him get rid of it he will regret it later---- Main thing is he took a liking to it and he likes the feel

[MattC555]

I've been playing the same putter since freshman year in college -

 

 

 

[RobotDoctor]

I just took out my set of Ben Hogan Icon irons and put my set of Ban Hogan '99 Apex blades back in.  While I really love the "V" sole of the Icons I have come to the realization that I hit the '99 Apex blades better.  

[nitram]

Putter is from 2005. Cameron 009 Proto.

Driving iron/Hybrid is from 2006. Bridgestone J33 Airmuscle

7WD is from 2007. Exotics CB2

Wedges from 2011. Chikara V1 Proto's.

Experimenting with a V-Steel 9WD.

[EaglesGolf99]

On 6/29/2021 at 3:44 PM, Sportfishingguy said:

I’m still gaming 962 irons (2-W), an i15 driver and an old Adam’s tight lies tour 17 FW. I shoot low 70s on average and just haven’t liked much (if any) of the new stuff..

 

Anyone else in the same boat? Just haven’t seen anything that’s that drastic of a performance enhancement to replace my old stuff… 

My Hybrid Shafts are from '03/'04. Won't be replaced anytime soon. 

 

Theeeeeee @Fujikura Golf Tourspec Speeder 904HB Extra Stiff in Ion Finish.

 

I have gamed it: 2004-2009, and then again in 2013-Present. 13 years total we've been together. 

[BIG STU]

18 hours ago, RobotDoctor said:

I just took out my set of Ben Hogan Icon irons and put my set of Ban Hogan '99 Apex blades back in.  While I really love the "V" sole of the Icons I have come to the realization that I hit the '99 Apex blades better.  

Yep I can see that happening with you hitting the 99s better. You are just like me grew up on those butter knives and just hit them better

[chipa]

I went to the range with my "new" blades and hit them really good, in fact my misses were just draws instead of hooks. I have never hit the ball so high either my 28 deg. 5 iron was a "moon" ball every time, probably due to the less offset. I hit it as high as I hit my 8 iron in my other set. Certainly toe hits were punishing but at my course short and straight is always better than long and left.

 

As I see it having a swing path from the inside is more important for playing blades than the h.c. because one would probably naturally hit it closer to the hosel.

[NRJyzr]

9 hours ago, chipa said:

I went to the range with my "new" blades and hit them really good, in fact my misses were just draws instead of hooks. I have never hit the ball so high either my 28 deg. 5 iron was a "moon" ball every time, probably due to the less offset. I hit it as high as I hit my 8 iron in my other set. Certainly toe hits were punishing but at my course short and straight is always better than long and left.

 

As I see it having a swing path from the inside is more important for playing blades than the h.c. because one would probably naturally hit it closer to the hosel.

 

Theoretically speaking, lower offset would produce lower shots, because the CG is potentially more forward.  

 

Guessing, of course, but the height you're seeing could be from a lower CG.

 

[cwilk]

Old clubs? Gross. 😆

[chipa]

1 hour ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Theoretically speaking, lower offset would produce lower shots, because the CG is potentially more forward.  

 

Guessing, of course, but the height you're seeing could be from a lower CG.

 

 

The face being closed delofts the club as well and overides any effect of the cg being farther back.

[AdamStoutjesdyk]

2000 Ping Anser 2x

2011 Nike VR Pro LTD 3 and 5 Wood

 

The putter is my absolute baby there's nothing I've ever found that i can Line up and aim better and the Fairway woods are so consistent and easy to shape, plus I never get the random no spin knuckler that I've found common with newer fairway woods especially from TM 

[NRJyzr]

17 minutes ago, chipa said:

 

The face being closed delofts the club as well and overides any effect of the cg being farther back.

 

Irons don't have an inherent face angle.  

 

In the swing, the CG attempts to align itself with the shaft of the club; this is true of all clubs, not just irons.  The farther back the CG, the more the clubhead will move forward in the swing.  This has the effect of increasing loft, and closing the face somewhat.  The effective increase in loft is greater than what is reduced from that face closing in the dynamics of the swing.

 

This is really where the "offset can produce a draw" originates.  It's not from actually giving more time to close the club in the swing, but this dynamic movement of the clubhead due to the farther back CG.

 

And, making it all more interesting...  much/most/all of this can be overridden by we humans.  Not unlike how players can over compensate to a ball below their feet and hit a draw instead of the expected fade (I do this too often).  Or, a golfer reacting to a too stiff shaft by increasing their release of the club and drawing/hooking it.

 

Great fun.  🙂 
 

[chipa]

59 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Irons don't have an inherent face angle.  

 

In the swing, the CG attempts to align itself with the shaft of the club; this is true of all clubs, not just irons.  The farther back the CG, the more the clubhead will move forward in the swing.  This has the effect of increasing loft, and closing the face somewhat.  The effective increase in loft is greater than what is reduced from that face closing in the dynamics of the swing.

 

This is really where the "offset can produce a draw" originates.  It's not from actually giving more time to close the club in the swing, but this dynamic movement of the clubhead due to the farther back CG.

 

And, making it all more interesting...  much/most/all of this can be overridden by we humans.  Not unlike how players can over compensate to a ball below their feet and hit a draw instead of the expected fade (I do this too often).  Or, a golfer reacting to a too stiff shaft by increasing their release of the club and drawing/hooking it.

 

Great fun.  🙂 
 

 

The end result is that players that hit from inside to out will hook irons and woods with more offset, they will also hit them lower as well.

 

Also, I have never hit any irons straighter or higher that I have hit these DCI's. I am starting to think that this may also be why I hit the smaller Big Bertha woods better with their square or even open face as opposed to the oversized woods I have tried due to their closed faces at address. Sure I can manipulate the face at address but I see the advantage of having something that is more or less automatic so I can focus on my setup and making a fluid swing.

[NRJyzr]

36 minutes ago, chipa said:

 

The end result is that players that hit from inside to out will hook irons and woods with more offset, they will also hit them lower as well.

 

Also, I have never hit any irons straighter or higher that I have hit these DCI's. I am starting to think that this may also be why I hit the smaller Big Bertha woods better with their square or even open face as opposed to the oversized woods I have tried due to their closed faces at address. Sure I can manipulate the face at address but I see the advantage of having something that is more or less automatic so I can focus on my setup and making a fluid swing.

 

For me, it was the opposite.  Played Eye2+ for a year, found myself hitting more draws, and hit the ball *considerably* higher, in spite of them having a higher CG.

 

[marker2037]

I play nearly 20 year old TaylorMade rac LT irons (3-pw) with Rifle FCM 6.0 shafts, bought new circa 2003 from Sports Authority. 

 

Ping G2i Anser C putter, can't remember the year, maybe 2008-2010-ish.

 

TaylorMade RBZ Stage 2 Driver and 3 Wood, circa 2012-13-ish.

 

The search for new irons has led me to this forum, so I'm in the market now for some Callaway Apex or Apex and Pro/combo set, but I won't part with my driver, 3 wood, or putter just yet.

[chipa]

I hit my 2005 TM R7 pretty well at the range yesterday, but I hit a few blocks. I had a problem getting it square at address is sat really wide open, maybe it was the 47" shaft. At any rate I damaged the face so I will stick with my 98 Big Bertha 2 wood for now.

 

It appears I do better with irons with less offset and drivers with a square or slightly open face. Also, I see that I hit my small fairway woods and irons well, so I think I'm going to get an old driver of no more than 320 cc. Basically a mini driver but much cheaper.