PING G430 - Are They Finally Going Back to a Carbon Fiber Crown?

[BubbaBallesteros]

It's not surprise that PING didn't go with the G420 naming scheme and opted to go for G425. But with recent trademarks they have registered, it's looks like PING's next release will be going back to the G4X0 naming scheme by going with G430 (https://trademark.trademarkia.com/g430-90203914.html). 

 

Another interesting trademark that PING has recently registered is "Carbonfly Wrap"(https://trademark.trademarkia.com/carbonfly-wrap-90740454.html). PING are known for their "Dragonfly" structure on thier titanium crown, which allows them to keep the metal as thin as possible while still providing the required strength/rigidity. 

 

Could this mean that PING are finally going the way of some other top OEMs by using a carbon fiber crown? What's everyone's option on this and will PING loyalists miss that signature metallic sound? 

Edited July 12, 2021 by BubbaBallesteros

[BSTRONG1313]

I love my G410's performance but I would love a more appealing looking crown and a softer sound. 

[hammergolf]

28 minutes ago, BubbaBallesteros said:

It's not surprise that PING didn't go with the G420 naming scheme and opted to go for G425. But with recent trademarks they have registered, it's looks like PING's next release will be going back to the G4X0 naming scheme by going with G430 (https://trademark.trademarkia.com/g430-90203914.html). 

 

Another interesting trademark that PING has recently registered is "Carbonfly Wrap"(https://trademark.trademarkia.com/carbonfly-wrap-90740454.html). PING are known for their "Dragonfly" structure on thier titanium crown, which allows them to keep the metal as thin as possible while still providing the required strength/rigidity. 

 

Could this mean that PING are finally going the way of some other top OEMs by using a carbon fiber crown? What's everyone's option on this and will PING loyalists miss that signature metallic sound? 

Ping did a carbon crown driver 15 years ago….. 

[BubbaBallesteros]

27 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

Ping did a carbon crown driver 15 years ago….. 

I had no idea they did one on the old rapture. Let me rephrase by saying on their modern drivers 😅 hahah

[third-times-a-charm]

A PING driver that doesnt sound like hitting a hollow tin beer can? Say it ain't so!

[Morry]

So excited for a new one the is lighter with better sound 

 

still gaming 410....way better for me than 425 

 

ready for the new one when they undoubtedly get it right 

 

[sgp1]

I hope they don’t make it sound like a muted epic

[craz-e]

Love Ping drivers for performance, hate Ping drivers for the sound.

 

[Oaks]

G425 LST is a masterclass in performance (for me).   Love this driver!

[ezpz]

Pings performance is awesome too bad their woods sound like someone just used a bottle of Moët to christen a new boat......

[Red4282]

🤞please no turbulators, pleaaaase 🤞

[GolfTurkey]

It would be nice if that meant that a Ping driver head no longer came with a built in anchor and millstone.

[Fairway14]

12 hours ago, BubbaBallesteros said:

 

 

Could this mean that PING are finally going the way of some other top OEMs by using a carbon fiber crown? What's everyone's option on this and will PING loyalists miss that signature metallic sound? 

 

Ping's Original Rapture driver had a carbon crown and it was an incredibly good club, including sensational soft/muted impact sound feel. 

[BubbaBallesteros]

22 minutes ago, Fairway14 said:

 

Ping's Original Rapture driver had a carbon crown and it was an incredibly good club, including sensational soft/muted impact sound feel. 

One other member mention that when I first posted this. I had no idea they used a carbon crown before. That's why I changed the title to ".. Going Back to a Carbon Crown" haha

[getair23]

Hope they keep an all titanium crown in the mix.  Titleist and Ping are the only two major OES's left standing without a current carbon crown.  It's nice to have options.   

[hammergolf]

13 hours ago, BubbaBallesteros said:

I had no idea they did one on the old rapture. Let me rephrase by saying on their modern drivers 😅 hahah

From what I took way in discusions with their engineers is that there is no structural or MOI advantage to a carbon crown. Of course Ping have always focused on performance first and foremost, so I don't think sound is part of the process of design. However, that being said, they obviously understand that sound is important to customers so they are now adding hotmelt as an option.   

[ASN21]

Improve the sound and get rid of the ugly turbulators. 

[Fairway14]

1 hour ago, BubbaBallesteros said:

One other member mention that when I first posted this. I had no idea they used a carbon crown before. That's why I changed the title to ".. Going Back to a Carbon Crown" haha

 

The Original Rapture was in Ping's line for 2 years before being replaced by the Rapture V2. The V2 did not have the carbon crown and was more or less the same as Ping's Ti drivers before and since that time (loud). I heard the Original Rapture with carbon crown was expensive to produce, and that is supposedly the reason Ping went back to all titanium for the V2 model.

 

Here is a photo of the carbon crown Original Rapture driver:

[AdamStoutjesdyk]

Am I the only person in the room that actually prefers the sound of Ping drivers over the muted, dull, dead carbon drivers?

[dubbelbogey]

Compared to the sound of drivers during the early days of over-400cc drivers - some of those sounded like cowbells or an empty beer keg - everything made in the last several years sounds perfectly acceptable to my ears. Not a factor to me at all.

[Jersey golfer]

24 minutes ago, dubbelbogey said:

Compared to the sound of drivers during the early days of over-400cc drivers - some of those sounded like cowbells or an empty beer keg - everything made in the last several years sounds perfectly acceptable to my ears. Not a factor to me at all.

You must be referring to my old Cleveland HiBore XLS. When I used it there was no reason to yell fore as everyone within four fairways could hear it.

[ASN21]

33 minutes ago, AdamStoutjesdyk said:

Am I the only person in the room that actually prefers the sound of Ping drivers over the muted, dull, dead carbon drivers?

You and this guy..

 

[getair23]

1 hour ago, AdamStoutjesdyk said:

Am I the only person in the room that actually prefers the sound of Ping drivers over the muted, dull, dead carbon drivers?

I prefer the sound/ feel of a titanium driver, but there is defiantly room for Ping to turn the volume down a couple notches.  

[AZ_JHWK]

I got the Ping G425 about 2 months ago after reading about the issues people had with the sound. It seemed like a trivial thing to worry about. Got my fitting indoors and everything sounds loud. Titleist, Taylor Made, Srixon, Callaway. First time out with the Ping I noticed a difference in sound on the range. I kind of forgot about it during my first round. It's not an issue. I'm more concerned with performance over sound or turbulators. Love the performance. 

[Fairway14]

2 hours ago, AdamStoutjesdyk said:

Am I the only person in the room that actually prefers the sound of Ping drivers over the muted, dull, dead carbon drivers?

 

Actually, when Ping's carbon top Original Rapture soft/muted impact sound was not popular with lots of players who wanted to hear/feel a louder sound at impact. It was the same for Callaway's Razr driver, some players liked its soft impact sound/feel, others prefer a louder noise.

I think everybody has always liked the soft-muted sound of a well struck iron shot. Back in the days of persimmon woods all driver shots has a soft-muted sound. When metal drivers were first introduced they were relatively small heads made of steel and did not have impact sound/feel much different from the persimmon drivers they replaced. As Tititanium drivers emerged , and the head size became bigger and bigger, the impact sound was louder than anybody had heard before from a golf club and over the years some companies have tried to make driver impact sound softer, less tinny, less hollow.  I think players accustomed to hitting lots of solid iron shots prefer muted sounding drivers (because the impact sound is more similar to a well struck iron shot). But there are some great players, even Tour pros , who don't mind a loud sounding/hard feeling driver. So, it's a personal preference thing.

[hammergolf]

4 hours ago, Fairway14 said:

 

The Original Rapture was in Ping's line for 2 years before being replaced by the Rapture V2. The V2 did not have the carbon crown and was more or less the same as Ping's Ti drivers before and since that time (loud). I heard the Original Rapture with carbon crown was expensive to produce, and that is supposedly the reason Ping went back to all titanium for the V2 model.

 

Here is a photo of the carbon crown Original Rapture driver:

It was def more to produce, but it also offered no performance or MOI improvement so they did away with it.

[hammergolf]

1 hour ago, AZ_JHWK said:

I got the Ping G425 about 2 months ago after reading about the issues people had with the sound. It seemed like a trivial thing to worry about. Got my fitting indoors and everything sounds loud. Titleist, Taylor Made, Srixon, Callaway. First time out with the Ping I noticed a difference in sound on the range. I kind of forgot about it during my first round. It's not an issue. I'm more concerned with performance over sound or turbulators. Love the performance. 

It could play chopsticks when I hit it if it goes further and straighter....

[Fairway14]

8 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

It was def more to produce, but it also offered no performance or MOI improvement so they did away with it.

How does one define "performance "? Sadly, golf industry company employees tend to use computer generated numbers such as MOI.

In reality, appearance (looks) and feel (sound) are major factors  contributing to how a club actually performs.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Fairway14

[MatrixcMan]

Possibly a lighter head driver for seniors as we have seen with other OEMs.

[cardoustie]

No driver has ever sounded and felt as good as the OG Rapture, still have mine .. and had it at the range last week.  YUMMY 

 

Close silver medal, R510tp