Ryder Cup - Do we even have a chance?

[caeye0710]

Tried to search for a forum on this to see if anyone had already chatted about it. 

 

Top 6 as of now:

1. Morikawa

2. DJ

3. Bryson "The Scientist" DeChambeau

4. Brooksy

5. JT

6. Xander

 

Curious to gain everyone's opinions:

With the drama between BK / BC going on, as well as the fact that P-Reed will likely be a Captain's pick, do you think the US team can put differences aside and win, especially with Whistling Straits being a links style course?

 

Also: six captains picks. Spieth is probably automatic along with P-Reed. That leaves four:

 

Do you take Harris English who is currently #9? That would be a hard pass for me. 

 

Think Stricker takes Phil?

 

Is Will Zalatoris a solid sleeper pick at #20 with as consistently as he's played this year, given his showing in a few big tournaments?

 

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by caeye0710

[Bye]

The US team will be scary, but it was scary last time…

[Abh159]

The Ryder Cup is a total toss up each year so we have as much of a chance of wining as the Europeans do.

 

I mean I doubt anyone thought Europe had a chance of winning in '02 considering 50% of their team wasn't even in the Top 50 OWGR and they had multiple players outside of the Top 100. 

 

Yet they still won...

[NevinW]

If we putt well, the US will win.

[caeye0710]

41 minutes ago, Abh159 said:

The Ryder Cup is a total toss up each year so we have as much of a chance of wining as the Europeans do.

 

I mean I doubt anyone thought Europe had a chance of winning in '02 considering 50% of their team wasn't even in the Top 50 OWGR and they had multiple players outside of the Top 100. 

 

Yet they still won...

Great point, but I'm speaking more on the fact that the US team seems to be more focused on the fact of a select few not getting along. 

 

Talent wise, I think we have a major edge. 

 

Comradery wise, I think we are screwed.  

[caniac6]

With Brooks and Bryson on the team, I might become European for a week.

[Abh159]

14 minutes ago, caeye0710 said:

Great point, but I'm speaking more on the fact that the US team seems to be more focused on the fact of a select few not getting along. 

 

Talent wise, I think we have a major edge. 

 

Comradery wise, I think we are screwed.  

 

I think it's more of the media being focused on this and not so much the players. 

[caniac6]

1 hour ago, Bye said:

The US team will be scary, but it was scary last time…

The US is just about always better on paper.

[BrianMcG]

I’m betting Reed will not be a pick. 
 

How could you not take Phil?  He’s this years PGA Champ. 

Edited July 19, 2021 by BrianMcG

[smashdn]

2 hours ago, caeye0710 said:

Tried to search for a forum on this to see if anyone had already chatted about it. 

 

Top 6 as of now:

1. Morikawa

2. DJ

3. Bryson "The Scientist" DeChambeau

4. Brooksy

5. JT

6. Xander

 

Curious to gain everyone's opinions:

With the drama between BK / BC going on, as well as the fact that P-Reed will likely be a Captain's pick, do you think the US team can put differences aside and win, especially with Whistling Straits being a links style course?

 

Also: six captains picks. Spieth is probably automatic along with P-Reed. That leaves four:

 

Do you take Harris English who is currently #9? That would be a hard pass for me. 

 

Think Stricker takes Phil?

 

Is Will Zalatoris a solid sleeper pick at #20 with as consistently as he's played this year, given his showing in a few big tournaments?

 

 

 

Lot to unpack here.  

 

I think you are correct with your P. Reed and YJS point.  Zalatoris is a strong pick too.  

 

I'll take Kevin Na, Phil and Tony Finau to round it out.  You got that like 8-25 pack where whoever is playing well could get in there.  No matter what it will get scrutinized both ways cause that is what we (media too) do.

 

1 hour ago, caeye0710 said:

Great point, but I'm speaking more on the fact that the US team seems to be more focused on the fact of a select few not getting along. 

 

Talent wise, I think we have a major edge. 

 

Comradery wise, I think we are screwed.  

 

 

55 minutes ago, Abh159 said:

 

I think it's more of the media being focused on this and not so much the players. 

 

^This.  I think comradery is overblown.  These are pro golfers.  If you show up and do you, even in the team format, you do well.  If you don't execute you lose.

 

That being said, I do think you keep BDC and Brooks not paired up.  A) You don't need to add drama when there will be plenty of pundits asking Strick about it anyway, B) I don't think their games compliment each other's well.

[Ferguson]

Two things I know to be true.   

1. The US squad does have a chance. 
2. Sully could have made it to an airport. 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Ferguson

[NJBigFish22]

I think Reed will be on the team.  I would pass on Phil. I like him, but he has been to inconsistent and I may be wrong about this, but his record isn’t great.  Stricker needs to make the right choices for the first 2 days, just don’t put guys together because of their name, get the right partners, or Europe will have the advantage.

[c7015]

I always think this camaraderie element is blown way out of proportion 

 

I kinda think about even local club events like mens league or member member/member guest. I love my team almost every time (I picked them after-all) but it does little to our results if we cant hit shots and perform on the course. Similarly there are guys on my squad I have no idea who they are does that mean they should perform worse than the guys I know and like? 

 

Does having a team you like make a difference to a bunch of hyper competitive guys who are wired to want to win regardless of the situation...

 

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the main reason the a given team looses is staying up too late playing high stakes ping pong because it compensates them better for their time. 

[ClarkGrswld4]

I actually think this is the year the US will beat them like a drum

[NoodleSalad]

1 hour ago, caeye0710 said:

Great point, but I'm speaking more on the fact that the US team seems to be more focused on the fact of a select few not getting along. 

 

Talent wise, I think we have a major edge. 

 

Comradery wise, I think we are screwed.  

I've always said, European "camaraderie" is a mile wide and an inch deep. The moment they start messing up, the knives come out, the anonymous stories are planted, the tell-all books are written. In any case, it's the Ryder Cup...who cares.

[Bye]

1 hour ago, caniac6 said:

The US is just about always better on paper.

The disparity between the two sides must be the greatest it has been for a long time (world ranking wise). 

[deepred]

I don’t look at records from past Cups, match play is just so random. Phil was cruising against Rose who started making putts from everywhere and turned it around comes to mind. The question is are there an inexperienced player who would benefit from Phil’s experience . 
 

Is there anyone who is friends with Bryson and or Brooks who would be a good partner for them? 

[MPAndreassi]

4 hours ago, BrianMcG said:

I’m betting Reed will not be a pick. 
 

How could you not take Phil?  He’s this years PGA Champ. 

Phil was more of a flash in the pan than anything this year. T-62 at the US Open, cut at the Open. I don’t think Phil makes it. 
 

Patrick, love him or hate him, will be there. 

[cooleary]

On paper the US should win hands down, we will see if that comes to fruition 

[Go Cougs]

9 minutes ago, cooleary said:

On paper the US should win hands down, we will see if that comes to fruition 

I agree, but it never does.

[tiderider]

5 hours ago, BrianMcG said:

I’m betting Reed will not be a pick. 
 

How could you not take Phil?  He’s this years PGA Champ. 

best finish other than his PGA win is T21 ... 6 missed cuts ... he's not playing well enough to warrant a pick ... one tournament does not a year make ... 

[ATLgopher]

Will over Phil and it’s not close

 

Picks should be interesting, we’ll see how much ego stroking is going on

[michboomin]

Europeans just appear to want it more every time they play in the Ryder Cup. U.S. always looks crazy on paper but that’s them playing their own ball, Europeans usually have some guys with less than impressive individual stats but get with the team and feel comfortable. Idk thats my take! Go USA!

[hammergolf]

8 hours ago, Bye said:

The US team will be scary, but it was scary last time…

It’s scary every time, but they get outplayed by the EU team.

[hammergolf]

21 minutes ago, michboomin said:

Europeans just appear to want it more every time they play in the Ryder Cup. U.S. always looks crazy on paper but that’s them playing their own ball, Europeans usually have some guys with less than impressive individual stats but get with the team and feel comfortable. Idk thats my take! Go USA!

No doubt, the EU is just better at team golf than we are. Not sure what their secret is, but only time I ever saw our team have that chemistry was when Zinger was captain at Valhalla. And of course, he was never captain again.

[hammergolf]

7 hours ago, caniac6 said:

With Brooks and Bryson on the team, I might become European for a week.

You can add Reed to that list too as far as I’m concerned. 

[hammergolf]

8 hours ago, caeye0710 said:

Tried to search for a forum on this to see if anyone had already chatted about it. 

 

Top 6 as of now:

1. Morikawa

2. DJ

3. Bryson "The Scientist" DeChambeau

4. Brooksy

5. JT

6. Xander

 

Curious to gain everyone's opinions:

With the drama between BK / BC going on, as well as the fact that P-Reed will likely be a Captain's pick, do you think the US team can put differences aside and win, especially with Whistling Straits being a links style course?

 

Also: six captains picks. Spieth is probably automatic along with P-Reed. That leaves four:

 

Do you take Harris English who is currently #9? That would be a hard pass for me. 

 

Think Stricker takes Phil?

 

Is Will Zalatoris a solid sleeper pick at #20 with as consistently as he's played this year, given his showing in a few big tournaments?

 

 

I would take Phil just for the experience, but for gods sake keep him and Bryson out of the foursomes matches. Add Spieth, Finau, Reed, Berger, Scheffler. 

Edited July 20, 2021 by hammergolf

[NJBigFish22]

2 hours ago, deepred said:

 

Is there anyone who is friends with Bryson and or Brooks who would be a good partner for them? 

I would guess more people would want to play with Brooks, I really could see Bryson only playing a singles match.

[elwhippy]

Please pick Phil. He was useless at Golf National. 

[grm24]

4 hours ago, tiderider said:

best finish other than his PGA win is T21 ... 6 missed cuts ... he's not playing well enough to warrant a pick ... one tournament does not a year make ... 

 

The only thing Phil should be at this years RC is an assistant captain riding around in a golf cart. Despite how great his win was at Kiawah it was a fluke based upon on his recent play. Some people must not really realize how poor Phil has played over the last couple of years. Brutal. Easy information to find. In no way at this time does he deserve a captains pick. There was a very good reason why earlier this year Phil dropped outside of the OWGR top 100. He earned it. His current OWGR ranking is way over stated due the win at the PGA Championship.  

 

http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=1547

 

https://www.skysports.com/golf/ryder-cup/news/26733/12317284/ryder-cup-phil-mickelson-in-mix-for-place-in-steve-strickers-usa-side-after-major-victory

 

I hope Stricker doesn't pick him if his play doesn't change. After all Stricker is a savage.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/7om2/avis-car-rentals-the-professionals-featuring-steve-stricker

Edited July 20, 2021 by grm24