Jump to content

What if equipment development had stopped to April 1997?


SamboRoll
 Share

Recommended Posts

Tour Pros would still be playing mostly with blade irons, steel shafted metal woods and balata balls. Pro V1 ball wouldn’t have ever been introduced, no oversized NASA wind tunnel designed drivers heads with 100+ custom after market graphite shaft options either. No era of anchor putters, no single length irons for Bryson, etc. Utility irons and hybrids would be noin existent.

 

How many more tournaments and majors more would have Tiger won? Would we still have seen the likes of Rory and Koepka bagging few majors each? Would DJ have developed a different approach to game? No success in Majors for 50+ guys, sorry Watson and Phil…or yes? Which players would have benefitted the most and for whom the lack of modern technology would have been disastrous?

Edited by SamboRoll
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I can remember playing with a steel shafted 3 wood and really wanting a steel shafted driver and lamenting when Tiger, Scott and even Casey went on to use graphite shafts in their driver. Boy was I naive when I was younger 😂

  • Haha 1

Titleist TS3 8.5 Even Flow White T1100 6.0
Titleist 915Fd 15 Stiff Rogue Black 
Titleist 915Hd 17.5 Stiff Diamana S+
Titleist T100 4-PW 6.0 Project X LZ
Titleist Vokey SM6 50.08
Titlesist Vokey SM7 56.12 & 60.04
Scotty Cameron Futura 5S
ProV1x 2021

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Ferguson said:

I ran these questions by my friends over at the Jo-Ann Fabrics web forum.   

They are working on it. 

 

 

image.png.2c2922893e5aa44acc10fb5d8c0d2122.png 

 I think I met them on a crazy Craigs list personal

  Woke up with a $5 tip and note that they were down at the motel buffet- I slipped down the back stairs , walked to the 7-11, had an all syrup slushy and took first bus out of there ...

  • Like 1
  • Haha 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not sure I agree with all of your views on how golf was in 1997;

 

I doubt most pros were using blades - Titleist had the DCI's, Ping had the Eye2 & Zing, TM the Burner Tours, Callaway had Big Bertha shovels. All were prominent.

 

'Anchored' putting strokes existed back then - Langer won the masters in '93 using an early armlock grip. Others were using broomhandle putters in the 90s - Sam Torrance, Rocco mediate, Philip Walton (beat Jay Haas in the '95 RC with one to win the cup) 

 

I think the reason steel shafted drivers were still popular was because that generation grew-up with <44" drivers with weighty steel shafts. By 1997 the quality of graphite was already pretty good - Grafalloy Prolite & True temper EI70 to name a couple which can still be found today. If they'd been around when Tiger, Sergio, Adam Scott etc first held a club, they would have never known any different.

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Burner bubble shafts were around then weren't they?  That was the driver to have back when I was young.  I had a Big Bertha with the steel shaft.  Still have it somewhere.  Had to put a graphite shaft in it when I snapped the steel one at the driving range.  had the 3 wood and 7 wood "heavenwood" with the warbird sole.  I should probably dig around and hit some balls just for grins with it.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, MattyO1984 said:

I can remember playing with a steel shafted 3 wood and really wanting a steel shafted driver and lamenting when Tiger, Scott and even Casey went on to use graphite shafts in their driver. Boy was I naive when I was younger 😂

 

I was rocking the hell out of my King Cobra 3 wood with a steel shaft.  I loved that club. 

Taylormade Sim 2 8* Fujikura Pro Tour Spec 73x

Taylormade M3 3 Wood Accra FX 300

Callaway Epic Super Hybrid 18* Aldila RIP Phenom

Taylormade P770  4-PW Rifle 6.0

MG2 50/54/60 S400

TM Itsy Bitsy

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Scoring hasnt really improved by a significant margin with newer tech, so not sure it would be much different.....its like baseball....analytics provide velo, and launch angle and distance, but at the end of the day who cares......what was the score? who won......

 

i truly do not care of Dechambeau swings it 130mph with a 12 degree launch angle and 175 mph ball speed and drives it 325......

 

all ths equipment stuff is great for manufacturers to sell product, but scorimng has barely improved since the 60's.....so to me, its all the same...

 

the golf ball is maxed out right now, drivers are maxed out.....irons are just about maxed out.... what is next???

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

There were solid core multi layer urethane balls in '97.  The tour Edition, the Strata, and several others.  Were they as fine tuned for spin as the modern ProV?  no, but they were on track to get there.  What really moved the needed was when Tiger went to the Nike/Bridgestone model and won the Tiger Slam.  Then Titleist rolled out the ProV, since most of the pros played Titleist the needle moved a bunch real quick.  

Big headed drivers were a game changer, figuring out how to manage the spin numbers were a big part of that with the solid ball.  Irons, hybrids etc. really were around since the early '80's in one form or another.  The old Ginty was essentially a hybrid before they were called hybrids.  

 

  • Like 3

Ping G400
Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood

Ping G410 5 hybrid
Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal. 5-G
Vokey 54,58
Odyssey Pro #1 black
Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell
ProV1x-mostly
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, KennyP said:

Not sure I agree with all of your views on how golf was in 1997;

 

I doubt most pros were using blades - Titleist had the DCI's, Ping had the Eye2 & Zing, TM the Burner Tours, Callaway had Big Bertha shovels. All were prominent.

 

'Anchored' putting strokes existed back then - Langer won the masters in '93 using an early armlock grip. Others were using broomhandle putters in the 90s - Sam Torrance, Rocco mediate, Philip Walton (beat Jay Haas in the '95 RC with one to win the cup) 

 

I think the reason steel shafted drivers were still popular was because that generation grew-up with <44" drivers with weighty steel shafts. By 1997 the quality of graphite was already pretty good - Grafalloy Prolite & True temper EI70 to name a couple which can still be found today. If they'd been around when Tiger, Sergio, Adam Scott etc first held a club, they would have never known any different.

 

If it were 1977, then I'd say all pros were probably using blades. But I agree with this though, mid to late 1990s had significant impact and growth in technology for clubs. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think distance more than anything would probably feel the affects. You would not have as many players cracking the 320 mark as we do now. 

Cobra LTD 9* TP6HD
Cobra Big Tour 14.5*  TP7HD 

Cobra F9 Hybrid 21 KBS 105X
Cobra Rev33/Tour CB 125 MMT

Taylormade 50 MG/ 60 HiToe

Odyssey OG1 Stroke lab
Vice Pro+ Lime Green Goodness

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I was talking about this last night. It would mean that anyone who was a good driver of the ball in 1997 still would be now. 

Sim 2 Max 10.5 Tensei CK Blue 60X
3 Wood - Titleist TSI 2 - 15 degree (C4) - Tensei CK Blue 70X

Titleist 816 H2 - 21 (C1) Aldila Rogue Black 85X 
Titleist 716CB 4-9 - X100
Vokey SM7 46.10, 50.08, 54M, 59M - S400
Scotty Cameron Studio Stainless Newport 2.5
Titleist Pro V1X 2021

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, tsecor said:

the golf ball is maxed out right now, drivers are maxed out.....irons are just about maxed out.... what is next???

 

Bags.  We have the opportunity to get in front of the technological advances now before they get out of hand like the rest of it.

Edited by smashdn
  • Like 1
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

How many more tournaments and majors more would have Tiger won?

10 and 3

 

Would we still have seen the likes of Rory and Koepka bagging few majors each?

Yes.

 

Would DJ have developed a different approach to game?

No.  He would still use a cupped left wrist.

 

No success in Majors for 50+ guys, sorry Watson and Phil…or yes?

History is full of anomalies. 

 

Which players would have benefitted the most and for whom the lack of modern technology would have been disastrous?

 

Hank Kuehne 

Paul Azinger

 

Ernie Els

Hal Sutton

 

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Our picks

    • 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club - Discussion and Links
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
      2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club - Tuesday #1
      2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club - Tuesday #2
       
       
      Adam Scott - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club
      Justin Rose - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club
      Collin Morikawa - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club
      Jason Day - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club
      Justin Thomas - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup @ The Summit Club
      Erik Van Rooyen - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup @ The Summit Club
      Matt Jones - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club
      Cam Smith - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club
      Byeong Hun An - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club
      Min Kyu - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club
      Joohyung Kim - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup @ The Summit Club
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup @ The Summit Club
      Jordan Spieth - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup @ The Summit Club
      Lucas Glover - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup @ The Summit Club
      Keegan Bradley - WITB - 2021 CJ Cup @ The Summit Club
       
       
       
      Gary Woodland's new Cameron putter - 2021 CJ Cup @ The Summit Club
      Kevin Na's new Odyssey/Toulon putter - 2021 CJ Cup @ The Summit Club
      Jucie wedges & Proto irons - 2021 CJ Cup at The Summit Club
       
       
       
       
      • 6 replies
    • 2021 Shriners Hospitals for Children Open WITB Photos- Discussion & Links
      Please put any questions or comments here...
       
      Links:
       
      Harry Higgs - WITB - 2021 Shriners Hospitals for Children Open
      Ian Poulter - WITB - 2021 Shriners Hospitals for Children Open
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2021 Shriners Hospitals for Children Open
      Harry Higgs - WITB - 2021 Shriners Hospitals for Children Open
      Matt NeSmith - WITB - 2021 Shriners Hospitals for Children Open
      Doug Ghim - WITB - 2021 Shriners Hospitals for Children Open
      New Cameron Las Vegas covers - 2021 Shriners Hospitals for Children Open
      New Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX shafts - 2021 Shriners Hospitals doe Children Open
       
       

       
        • Like
      • 15 replies
    • 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship - Discussion and Links
      2021 Sanderson Farms Championship - Monday
      2021 Sanderson Farms Championship - Tuesday #1
      2021 Sanderson Farms Championship - Tuesday #2
      2021 Sanderson Farms Championship - Tuesday #3
       
      2021 Sanderson Farms Championship - Tuesday #4
       
      WITBs
      Aaron Rai - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship
      Brian Stuard - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship
      Eugenio Chacarra - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship
      Davis Riley - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship
      Brice Garnett - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship
      Curtis Thompson - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship
      Richy Werenski - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship
      Andy Ogletree - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Will Zalatoris - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Stephan Jaeger - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Kevin Chappell - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Jonas Blixt - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Kevin Streelman - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Sam Burns - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Matthew Wolff - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Jimmy Walker - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Gary Woodland - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Davis Thompson - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship Sam Saunders - WITB - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship  
      Special Galleries
       
      Odyssey putters - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship  
      Cameron putters - 2021 Sanderson Farms Championship  
        • Like
      • 5 replies
    • 2021 Fortinet Championship - Discussion and Links
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #1
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #2
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #3
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #4
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #5
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #6
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #7
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #8
       
       
      New Ping putter - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      New Bettinardi putters & Cover - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Ping Putters - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Odyssey putters - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Cameron putter and new ball marker - 2021 Fortinet Championship
       
       
      Sneds - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Peter Uihlein - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Charles Howell, III - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Scott Piercy - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Brandan Steele - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Mito Pereira - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Kevin Tway - WITB -2021 Fortinet Championship
      Joseph Bramlett - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
       
       
       
      • 19 replies
    • 2021 Tour Championship - Discussion and Comments
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      Odyssey putters - 2021 Tour Championship
      LA Golf putter shafts - 2021 Tour Championship
       
       
       
      • 25 replies
×
×
  • Create New...