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Hello guys and gals, looking at getting a cheap set of blades or cavity backs to play around with on the skytrak. I play SGI irons at the moment and feel like i have the skill level to move to something smaller that will dig a bit better and report bad strikes to me a bit more. I want to test some cheaper clubs and when i feel I am ready and this is the route i want to take, I will splurge on the best. 

 

I currently play with some cheap giga golf one length irons that hit just as well as the taylormade sim max os in my opinion. I love single length but you really limit yourself in the club department with single length. Giga Golf has blades for under $400. Wishon looks like a step up in quality or maybe even 2 steps but they are also more expensive than i care to spend on a trial set. 

 

I demo'd the sub 70 cavity backs a while back and thought it was awesome but got busy and couldnt hit them as much as I would have liked. 

 

Any ideas from you guys? Is sub 70 the cheapest you would go on this type of club or do you think I can make a fair assessment with the giga golf blades?

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I would go back a few years and grab some Titleist MBs.... but I am biased.  I recently did the same, grabbed some 714 mb and have really been enjoying them.  They aren't as unforgiving as you'd think and offer great feedback.  A lot of fun to hit and can be found cheap.  Go back even further and there are better deals.

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36 minutes ago, Navistar said:

 

I currently play with some cheap giga golf one length irons that hit just as well as the taylormade sim max os in my opinion. I love single length but you really limit yourself in the club department with single length. Giga Golf has blades for under $400. Wishon looks like a step up in quality or maybe even 2 steps but they are also more expensive than i care to spend on a trial set. 

 

 

Wishon aren't MB or CB. They're hollow-headed irons. 

 

If you're looking to stay one-length, you may not have any good blade options. As you lose the club speed advantage of longer shaft lengths, the energy you're imparting to the ball is lower on low-lofted one length irons than on variable-length, despite the heavier relative head weights. I think this is somewhat mitigated with the lower CG and the higher COR faces that you see on one-length sets in those low-lofted irons (and Wishon forces you into a hybrid at the 20* loft), and it would be REALLY hard to launch one-length low-lofted blades. Even Bryson goes to more utility clubs in those lofts. 

 

If you're looking to move back to variable length, of course, none of this applies.

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12 minutes ago, betarhoalphadelta said:

 

Wishon aren't MB or CB. They're hollow-headed irons. 

 

If you're looking to stay one-length, you may not have any good blade options. As you lose the club speed advantage of longer shaft lengths, the energy you're imparting to the ball is lower on low-lofted one length irons than on variable-length, despite the heavier relative head weights. I think this is somewhat mitigated with the lower CG and the higher COR faces that you see on one-length sets in those low-lofted irons (and Wishon forces you into a hybrid at the 20* loft), and it would be REALLY hard to launch one-length low-lofted blades. Even Bryson goes to more utility clubs in those lofts. 

 

If you're looking to move back to variable length, of course, none of this applies.

 

 

No not really looking to stay one length if i find something that wins my heart. I may order the sub 70 demos again and see how they feel with my current swing. I have definitely improved since i last hit them. Any other ideas for demo or cheap purchase?

 

I do see i can buy singles from giga golf so i may just buy the 7 iron to play around with. 

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Sub 70's are great clubs.  I was skeptical at first, but after hitting the demo's I bought a set of the blades and couldn't be much happier with them.

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I liked the Sub70 699 Pro demos I hit, but ended up going one length instead. But I just bought a couple of wedges to accompany the OL set from Sub70, and they're beautiful. 

 

I know New Level also does a demo program--you may want to check them out as a DTC that is in the lower-cost category with Sub70. 

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Keep in mind, the further you go back in time for blades, the cheaper they get.  But you will discover the propensity of older blades to have COG nearer the heel are more difficult to strike well as opposed to contemporary blades with COG centered low and back away from the face, between heel and toe. 

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I'd say go with Sub70s.  Suggest looking at their preowned sets on their website, might save a few more bucks and get them quicker.  

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12 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

Keep in mind, the further you go back in time for blades, the cheaper they get.  But you will discover the propensity of older blades to have COG nearer the heel are more difficult to strike well as opposed to contemporary blades with COG centered low and back away from the face, between heel and toe. 

 

good info, thanks. The only reason i am even contemplating a blade or small cavity back is because my miss is on the heel and i keep reading that these types of clubs dont punish as bad on the heel. They punish severely on toe shots. I draw the ball so I swing with "in to out". All i know is i am sick of the sgi clubs and want something to grow into. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Navistar said:

 

good info, thanks. The only reason i am even contemplating a blade or small cavity back is because my miss is on the heel and i keep reading that these types of clubs dont punish as bad on the heel. They punish severely on toe shots. I draw the ball so I swing with "in to out". All i know is i am sick of the sgi clubs and want something to grow into. 

 

 

I have been playing blades for 30+yrs.  Old style, new style and back to 620 MBs, which I see as closer to old than new. 

 

I would NOT suggest to anyone, buy a set of irons because they may help a swing error, least of all blades. It's a recipe for frustration and misinformation.  Your swing error may be the result of the club head design, and or the shaft you're playing, even lie angle, etc.  Just sayin...

 

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how about a set of nice cavity backs such as the maxfli revolution black dots???

slightly larger clubhead and some forgiveness and legendary soft feel?

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I'd buy used.  You can get some great MB and CBs for a few hundred bucks. 

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8 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

I have been playing blades for 30+yrs.  Old style, new style and back to 620 MBs, which I see as closer to old than new. 

 

I would NOT suggest to anyone, buy a set of irons because they may help a swing error, least of all blades. It's a recipe for frustration and misinformation.  Your swing error may be the result of the club head design, and or the shaft you're playing, even lie angle, etc.  Just sayin...

 

 

Think you misunderstood me a little. Not looking for a fix just stating that i hit from center to inside a little on most shots so blades shouldnt punish me as bad as if i was a toe striker. 

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4 hours ago, Navistar said:

 

Think you misunderstood me a little. Not looking for a fix just stating that i hit from center to inside a little on most shots so blades shouldnt punish me as bad as if i was a toe striker. 

Maybe I wasn't clear too.  Not seeing your swing  or knowing your index, I would not support that assumption. 

 

I am self-taught, and without a perfect swing, it's grooved and effective.  I hit the sweet spot 98% of the time.  If I mishit, they are still relatively straight only 10-12yds short, mostly because I didn't swing hard enough.  I have 620 CB and 620 MB sets and a blend in the bag that changes.  Though specs are relatively identical between both heads, miss hitting CB 4 iron is different from MB 4 iron.

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19 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

Maybe I wasn't clear too.  Not seeing your swing  or knowing your index, I would not support that assumption. 

 

I am self-taught, and without a perfect swing, it's grooved and effective.  I hit the sweet spot 98% of the time.  If I mishit, they are still relatively straight only 10-12yds short, mostly because I didn't swing hard enough.  I have 620 CB and 620 MB sets and a blend in the bag that changes.  Though specs are relatively identical between both heads, missing hitting CB 4 iron is different from MB 4 iron.

 

 

Sounds good. I will demo some MBs from sub 70 and see how i like them. Maybe the MB+ which has a little longer face and some offset. 

 

Im not dead set on blades but I feel like these sgi clubs are really hindering my progression because distance control isnt great. Now that i have learned to compress the ball and take a dollar bill size divot most of the time vs where i once swept and didnt injure a single blade of grass, I think these huge soles are more problem than solution. 

 

I really like the videos from TXG Golf on youtube and Ian hints all the time that he doesnt find these sgi clubs are good for most players. Hes definetly not a believer in them and as I see my swing improving I can see the difference in say a taylormade sim max os vs the taylormade p790s. I really like the tm-p790s by the way. I could even try hitting something in the realm of the 770s. 

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2 hours ago, 10HcpBlades said:

Old MP33 are the way I would go. Look good at address, and very true to the idea of a “blade”. 

I second this idea. If you are going the way of the blade, you may as well go into the deep end. Skip CB.

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52 minutes ago, Navistar said:

Im not dead set on blades but I feel like these sgi clubs are really hindering my progression because distance control isnt great. Now that i have learned to compress the ball and take a dollar bill size divot most of the time vs where i once swept and didnt injure a single blade of grass, I think these huge soles are more problem than solution. 

 

 

Bear in mind there's a big continuum between SGI and blades... You don't necessarily need to go from one extreme to the other. 

 

I too was staying away from SGI because I have enough swing speed and compression that I have NO trouble launching the ball high and far. I was playing oversize CBs previously. The clubs I ended up with from Wishon are probably in what would be called the "Player's Distance" category rather than GI or SGI. They should offer more forgiveness without necessarily being built for the novice swinger.

 

That was one reason I originally looked at the Sub70 699 Pro. I draw the ball so I didn't feel I needed a higher-offset iron like the 699, and I certainly don't need SGI, but I thought the forgiveness would be helpful. When I hit the demos I definitely didn't feel like they were shovels.

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Sub 70 seems like a great option.  You could also get an older set of hogans for fairly cheap.  Personally I’d try to go somewhere and hit different clubs and find the clubs that are best for you to play.  Could be blades, but more likely to be some sort of players iron or players distance iron if you are moving up from SGI.  clubs like the callaway apex pro, ping i210, Taylor made p770 may be a better fit. None of them are cheap but they are likely to be better options than blades for actually playing.  If you want blade for fun and or training I’d get some cheaper older ones personally...

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You can find some j15 MB’s for a pretty good deal as well.  Some of the best feeling MB’s I’ve ever played.  Decent sized blade with a little bounce on the sole.

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1 minute ago, jomatty said:

Sub 70 seems like a great option.  You could also get an older set of hogans for fairly cheap.  Personally I’d try to go somewhere and hit different clubs and find the clubs that are best for you to play.  Could be blades, but more likely to be some sort of players iron or players distance iron if you are moving up from SGI.  clubs like the callaway apex pro, ping i210, Taylor made p770 may be a better fit. None of them are cheap but they are likely to be better options than blades for actually playing.  If you want blade for fun and or training I’d get some cheaper older ones personally...

 

and thats my mindset totally. Probably just keep them on the wall near the skytrak and play something like the p770 on the course. Just curious if anyone has played the super cheap knockoffs like gigagolf puts out. 

 

Has anyone ever used a blade with matching shafts, grips and swing weight for dialing in their swing and then play with a players distance? Is that a thing?

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Don't buy new, just find something older.  While covid pricing has made things more expensive in most areas, older blades aren't as steep.  A couple of years ago I got a set of Mizzy MP-33's for $150 cdn...  

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6 hours ago, betarhoalphadelta said:

 

Wishon aren't MB or CB. They're hollow-headed irons. 

 

If you're looking to stay one-length, you may not have any good blade options. As you lose the club speed advantage of longer shaft lengths, the energy you're imparting to the ball is lower on low-lofted one length irons than on variable-length, despite the heavier relative head weights. I think this is somewhat mitigated with the lower CG and the higher COR faces that you see on one-length sets in those low-lofted irons (and Wishon forces you into a hybrid at the 20* loft), and it would be REALLY hard to launch one-length low-lofted blades. Even Bryson goes to more utility clubs in those lofts. 

 

If you're looking to move back to variable length, of course, none of this applies.

Wishon has (or at least had) forged blades and cavity back options. Might be worth a try as their quality was top notch. 
 

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New Level or Sub 70 gets my vote.  I have the 623-M and they are mbs but on the forgiving end with a touch of offset.  They can be had for 700 or less depending on what shafts and grip you want.  Eric already has a 10% off promo code and has sales where his stuff is up to 25% off. 

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