Bushnell Launch Pro Device with Foresight

[hammersia]

7 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

 

It will be interesting to see what happens to the GC2 market once this launches. I'd be more than happy to pick up a discounted GC2/HMT for home use. 

 

Side question, what do you guys think about 1 dot mode? Does it provide sufficient data to justify a potentially material upgrade? 

Skytrack secondhand prices seem to have declined this month certainly.

 

I don't doubt this new unit will be successful, Bushnell almost certainly have a big margin  to discount it if they really need to in future.

 

Just wish they wouldn't tease advertise it as "consumer level" when it is blatantly not.

 

I understand some folk live in the Canadian tundra and need to make serious investments to keep playing golf in the winter, but many of us don't and can pretty much golf and outdoor range year round. Spending thousands on sim golf just doesn't add up.

[Nevek]

Should the prince point of 9000 CAD for the GC3 translate to all other markets, it is safe to say that it was a mistake to believe it was addressed for the PLM market. 

[WallysWorld]

I never thought that this launch monitor was going be anywhere in the $3K under club. It just doesn't make any sense why a company selling high end launch monitor would basically give away the unit for free just to obtain more customers who will maybe spend $1K in software add on. 

 

This was intended for the more serious golfer, middle market spectrum. Even at this price point, it is now the lowest LM with measured club parameters. A win on both sides and hopefully will make it more competitive for the lower end LM to improve on their measurements. Maybe this will force them to provide some club data and or other features.  

[RGlaze978]

Just chiming in to point out my estimate was pretty much bang on in terms of price. 

[RGlaze978]

Also the Bushnell version in the states sounds like a massive win in the making. Price it at $3K opening, with another $2K for club data puts you at $5K. Rep said its compatible with all software and apps - so go buy TGC19 for $1,000 and bang, you have the best practice and play combo on the market at $6K all in. A delta of roughly $6,000 from where we are now to play on a sim AND have club data. 

 

This thing will be a raging success if the above is doable. 

[WallysWorld]

51 minutes ago, RGlaze978 said:

Also the Bushnell version in the states sounds like a massive win in the making. Price it at $3K opening, with another $2K for club data puts you at $5K. Rep said its compatible with all software and apps - so go buy TGC19 for $1,000 and bang, you have the best practice and play combo on the market at $6K all in. A delta of roughly $6,000 from where we are now to play on a sim AND have club data. 

 

This thing will be a raging success if the above is doable. 

screw TGC....Get GS Pro! Going live this fall. 

[Karazy]

8 hours ago, Nevek said:

Should the prince point of 9000 CAD for the GC3 translate to all other markets, it is safe to say that it was a mistake to believe it was addressed for the PLM market. 

For starters no one expected there to be a different version for markets outside the US. It's very bizarre and must be some language in their partnership with Bushnell that prohibits them from selling a similar product without the Bushnell branding, even if it is a different market.

[games]

Did Bushnell contribute ANY tech to this thing?  Or is it solely their distribution channel?

 

[goudok]

25 minutes ago, games said:

Did Bushnell contribute ANY tech to this thing?  Or is it solely their distribution channel?

 

define tech, if by tech you mean putting Bushnell logo then yes! lol  Jokes aside, I HIGHLY doubt Bushnell put any tech in it, and it is probably for the best.  

[RGlaze978]

Likely just Foresight using Bushnell's scale. 

[DinoSpumoni228]

18 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

 

It will be interesting to see what happens to the GC2 market once this launches. I'd be more than happy to pick up a discounted GC2/HMT for home use. 

 

Side question, what do you guys think about 1 dot mode? Does it provide sufficient data to justify a potentially material upgrade? 

 

I am interested to know this too. Would it be possible for someone to manually place a GCQuad in one dot mode with four dots on their club face, and then have another right next to it in regular four dot mode with the hitting areas overlapping. That way we could see what the difference really is between the three metrics measured in one dot mode vs four dot.

[Cactus Jack]

2 hours ago, games said:

Did Bushnell contribute ANY tech to this thing?  Or is it solely their distribution channel?

 

Bushnell has some industry leading optics. Maybe they contributed there and due to their scale could help bring the overall cost down. I’m guessing here, but I could see them adding value to the camera systems etc. 

[karstens_ghost]

32 minutes ago, Cactus Jack said:

Bushnell has some industry leading optics. Maybe they contributed there and due to their scale could help bring the overall cost down. I’m guessing here, but I could see them adding value to the camera systems etc. 

 

I think it's unlikely, given that it's GC3 everywhere else in the world. Maybe they worked together on optics? Seems unlikely.

[RH2020]

On 8/25/2021 at 2:00 PM, The Coug said:

Agreed. EyeXO vs. a loaded Quad ($18k w/o putting) is a good comparison. Eye handling LH/RH is great for studio settings. Placement still makes me nervous for skied driver shots and sim golf flop shots.

 

Many of us got our hopes up seeing a new player (Bushnell) enter the LM space. Like Garmin’s R10 disrupting the “budget” market, the hope is that the LaunchPro does the same for the Personal LM market. $2000 is the historical benchmark (ST and M+). Some are willing to stretch that for something better. A direct replacement for the GC2 doesn’t do a whole lot for the sub $5k crowd. 
 

Cards on the table, my personal threshold is $3k. At that price you can get a mat, net, and flatscreen TV/tablet to learn your game and improve. Beyond that, I feel a $6-7k machine needs to be hooked up to a projector, screen, and gaming PC to justify the investment. Just my thoughts. 

"Where other launch monitor technologies struggle with ambient light sensitivity, small hitting windows and incomplete performance capturing capabilities, Launch Pro delivers unmatched precision and reliability both indoors and outdoors"

Doesn’t this sound like direct competition with ST? If it comes with everything ST has plus some club info, even $3k is a pretty good gesture. I think it is time for ST to have a ST2 (I hope they are working on it), with less miss-hit and additional club info. It is about time.

[Cactus Jack]

Has anyone tested a Flightscope Xi Tour? While they are older, they seem to capture every data point we’d want, plus the price seems to be falling. How do you think something like the Xi family competes against the little we know about the Launch Pro?

[Benoit61]

Im wondering this as well 

[karstens_ghost]

Also, don't discount the lineage of PGA2k21 and EA is coming out with a new golf game in early '22.

[Karazy]

37 minutes ago, karstens_ghost said:

Also, don't discount the lineage of PGA2k21 and EA is coming out with a new golf game in early '22.

I keep seeing someone hoping that this will hook into a PS5 for PGA2k22…I’m gonna go with no chance on 2 fronts. 2K can’t be bothered to go out of their way to make anything new. They rehash games every year with minor improvements. Unless they could earn micro transaction revenue from a sim version it’s not happening. Second, I would assume that Sony would want a piece of the pie in the form of a licensing fee in order to interface with their console, which I’m sure is not a road Bushnell/Foresight is willing to go down. The market for people who own a PS5 and a foresight launch monitor is probably a very small size, and it is extremely likely people who want to buy a foresight LM already have a way to use the software features on a laptop/desktop/tablet/etc. I would love to be wrong but I think it’s a long shot for an LM to work with a console.

[karstens_ghost]

Doesn't have to be a PS5. But the good part of a console is compatibility in hardware. Windows is fine; whatever.

 

Also, 2k doesn't have to do anything new; they have the tech as 2k21 was an update of tgc19, and they charge $900/copy of that game for sim use. That's not a bad margin.

[Rory4Pres]

13 hours ago, RH2020 said:

"Where other launch monitor technologies struggle with ambient light sensitivity, small hitting windows and incomplete performance capturing capabilities, Launch Pro delivers unmatched precision and reliability both indoors and outdoors"

Doesn’t this sound like direct competition with ST? If it comes with everything ST has plus some club info, even $3k is a pretty good gesture. I think it is time for ST to have a ST2 (I hope they are working on it), with less miss-hit and additional club info. It is about time.

 

About once I year I go talk to skytrak's online reps and each time I leave disappointed.  Each time it's "we have no plans for any new hardware release but we will continue to update our software".  bla bla bla.  Feels like they made a product and are going to ride it out until it dies.  

 

In my opinion they should have had 2 or 3 models out by now with slightly different upgrades based on price.  Maybe do $1.5-2k, $3k, and $4k.  But no, they are content selling the same console that came out in 2014 for the same price.  For perspective, imagine buying an Iphone 6 for $1000 right now.  

[Karazy]

11 hours ago, karstens_ghost said:

Doesn't have to be a PS5. But the good part of a console is compatibility in hardware. Windows is fine; whatever.

 

Also, 2k doesn't have to do anything new; they have the tech as 2k21 was an update of tgc19, and they charge $900/copy of that game for sim use. That's not a bad margin.

Again though this is the company that spends more development time on gambling in a basketball game rather than improving the actual basketball.

 

They also have a multi year deal with Tiger who is sponsored by Full Swing.

Edited August 27, 2021 by Karazy

[James495738]

Accurate putting data would be fantastic although I think it would need the gcq alignment routine to be usable outside.

 

One other thing which has occurred to me is children. If you have young children the metal jacket available for the skytrak makes it very safe for them to use, I haven't seen a similar case available for the gcq and therefore gc3?

[appilags]

15 hours ago, James495738 said:

Accurate putting data would be fantastic although I think it would need the gcq alignment routine to be usable outside.

 

One other thing which has occurred to me is children. If you have young children the metal jacket available for the skytrak makes it very safe for them to use, I haven't seen a similar case available for the gcq and therefore gc3?

Children? What about four time major winners? (3.00min mark of this). 

 

seems like GCQ can take the punishment, no case required!

[mgoblue83]

On 8/25/2021 at 6:41 PM, herdtlocker said:

I hate playing the proverbial Telephone game and posting info from around the internet, but I saw somebody added this on another forum:

 

Hi All,
I got in touch with a foresight rep I was contacting about finding me an HMT in Canada. Figured I’d ask about the new unit. Here is the response I got

The new Foresight / Bushnell will be marketed in Canada as the GC3, and will be sold with FSX software + 10 standard courses.
A fully unlocked GC3 will be on sale for $9100 (+ provincial taxes and shipping fees from Ontario to you).
There will also be an option to have some Premium courses, which will include Pebble Beach, St. Andrews, Valderrama and Carnoustie ($ 1950).

For now, all of these units will have the full feature set and software access unlocked, they are also fully compatible with all available apps and software. For the US market (Bushnell) some features will be locked out and users will have to choose which feature they want to purchase. At the moment we are excluded from that decision , that may change in the future, whether for them or for us.

Measured Data - All GC2 data for the ball, and with one "Dot" on the face of the club it will provide club head speed, club head trajectory, smash factor and angle of attack.

it looks like the bushnell version will only be available in the US and will allow some type of pay for features you want.

 

 

 

 

Yikes, way too expensive and doesn't even measure face angle? Is club head trajectory fancy language for club path? I'd think accurate path/face should be the bare minimum at this price. 

[Cactus Jack]

I just found locally what appears to be a solid deal for a GC2 + HMT for $6,800 (no software). Ugh...do I pull the trigger or wait for the Launch Pro? I would love to have accurate face angle, but not excited to pony up for FSX so I can visualize the data. I just want a darn driving range and to quickly see ball/club summary data. Decisions, decision. 

[Rory4Pres]

40 minutes ago, Cactus Jack said:

I just found locally what appears to be a solid deal for a GC2 + HMT for $6,800 (no software). Ugh...do I pull the trigger or wait for the Launch Pro? I would love to have accurate face angle, but not excited to pony up for FSX so I can visualize the data. I just want a darn driving range and to quickly see ball/club summary data. Decisions, decision. 

I'd wait.  

[WallysWorld]

46 minutes ago, Cactus Jack said:

I just found locally what appears to be a solid deal for a GC2 + HMT for $6,800 (no software). Ugh...do I pull the trigger or wait for the Launch Pro? I would love to have accurate face angle, but not excited to pony up for FSX so I can visualize the data. I just want a darn driving range and to quickly see ball/club summary data. Decisions, decision. 

From what has been gathered it appears that face path will not be in the Bushnell pro, however, if it provides the 1 dot club data- I think you will still need FSX to get the most out of it.    

 

I guess what I'm getting at is you will need FSX regardless of what you choose. I would caution that GC2 will most likely not be supported by Foresight. So if something breaks or you need a new flash, you may be forced to buy from a 3rd party. 

[noodle24]

[Cactus Jack]

 

This just hit my inbox. Looks like sim is a big part of the Launch Pro Strategy. 

 

From true-to-life simulation play on the world’s best courses to dialing in your game on the range, Launch Pro lets you enjoy the best of both worlds. Launch Pro precisely captures and analyzes ball and club performance where they matter most – at impact – to give you unmatched ball flight data in any space you can safely swing a club. Whether you want a basic setup in your garage or a custom indoor simulator room, Launch Pro is the answer.

 
It’s time for you to enjoy year-round access to your favorite game, better your ball striking and lower your scores. It’s time for Launch Pro.

[Indygolf21]

The wait on all the details here is kinda killing me. I really think this is going to be the game changer for serious golfers, but we’ll see.