Grayson Murray Tweets Lack of Help from PGA

[jt2gt]

Interesting tweets from Grayson on lack of help from PGA tour on his alcohol and tour life issue.  Not sure he has the clout to get much traction on this issue.  But Phil...seems to agree with Murray, which may really be the headline to this story.

 

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31875459/grayson-murray-discloses-issues-alcohol-upset-pga-tour-not-helping

 

I would have thought with the new amazing home office and over 700 employees in the office (still not sure how they need 700), they would be able to get back with PGA players or even have a small part of the office helping players with tour life issues.  Guess not.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by jt2gt

[Soloman1]

TPC courses, hospitality, la-di-da... they're busy. I guess they're over 750 people now. That's more than all of the players on three tours.

 

Someone has to write that Puke Pablum Boilerplate Nonsense (PPBN). Who knows, they may have a PPBN Division with 40 people, all making six figures and headed by someone making seven figures.

 

I was shocked when I read about the number of people working at the Tour making over a million dollars per year.

 

... at a tax-exempt non-profit!

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by Soloman1

[NJBigFish22]

This strikes me as just another person blaming others rather than taking personal responsibility.  You are an alcoholic, take a leave from the tour and go to rehab, if being on tour is a source for your drinking, quit, they aren’t forcing him to be out there.  If you can’t afford private rehab, maybe your insurance can help.  I mean if I was an alcoholic and it was affecting my job, I’m either going to get fired, take a leave of absence for help or quit.  

[caniac6]

I guess these guys are independent contractors until they are not. i wish Murray all the best, but if the Tour isn't helping him, he needs to find help on his own. If the Tour life is the cause of his drinking, he needs to get off tour. It sounds like this problem goes back awhile, and if he doesn't seek help, it will not end well.

[miamistomp]

 

[m d g]

26 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

TPC courses, hospitality, la-di-da... they're busy. I guess they're over 750 people now. That's more than all of the players on three tours.

 

Someone has to write that Puke Pablum Boilerplate Nonsense (PPBN). Who knows, they may have a PPBN Division with 40 people, all making six figures and headed by someone making seven figures.

 

I was shocked when I read about the number of people working at the Tour making over a million dollars per year.

 

... at a tax-exempt non-profit!

 

 

Who do they think they are...the department of education?

 

But seriously...take a good look at 'non-profits' before you donate. Somebody is profiting or they wouldn't exist.

[Old Tom Morris]

Plenty of help available for anyone with an alcohol problem.  It might not be on the tour or as convenient as he currently thinks it should be.  It’s his own responsibility to address it.

 

Nothing can stop a person that truly wants sobriety.  

 

Nothing can help a person that doesn’t truly want sobriety.

[3whacker]

blaming the Tour for lack of help/support for alcohol or substance issues kind of sounds like the boy who cried wolf. The Tour will send its members to a professional or lead them toward a facility where they might get help. They are not in the alcohol rehab business nor should they be, leave it to a professional rehab experts..there is help to be had as many have stated in earlier posts

[cdnglf]

Has he considered the European Tour? Those guys always seem to be having so much fun.

 

[straightshot7]

I thought every Tour player was assigned a nice lady like this to look after them:



But seriously...Yes, Murray is responsible for his own health and he is choosing to play on Tour and to drink.

But, the Tour should definitely have some department that specifically supports Tour players if they reach out asking for assistance. Even if it is just to refer them to someone else and to monitor their progress a little bit. 

[tungstenplug]

It's amazing to me how much less I care about someone's problems after they have proven to be an a****** over the years

Edited February 26, 2023 by tungstenplug

[Hawkeye77]

Two sides and doubt we’ll get the Tour’s details because it (wisely) won’t talk about it, and Murray doesn’t come off too well. Easy to get people to jump to conclusions, easy to go the social media route. Hope he figures out something that works for him. LOL on Phil getting in some kind of lick, pretty sure the Tour has gotten back to him plenty and $$$$$$ worth as well. Yawn, Phil. 

Edited July 24, 2021 by Hawkeye77

[mat562]

Just read his Twitter post.

 

To say Murray doesn't come off too well is somewhat of an understatement. Evidently pretty much everyone is to blame for him deciding to drink to excess except him. His Tweet reads as though he drank heavily because no one went out of their way to give him reason not to.

 

I've sympathy for the lad, as I'm sure many have, and I hope he sorts out his issues; but in my opinion he firstly needs to usher in a sea change in his apportioning of both blame and responsibility.

[golfandfishing]

The tour offers health insurance to players and EAP would part of that. I’m guessing Grayson hasn’t bothered to dial the number himself and is wanting someone else to do it for him. Addicts often take this route - blame others, and if that other can be a huge entity like the PGA Tour then even better. He needs help, he has a history of issues and suffered a recent family tragedy. This is a scream for help, I hope he and his family and friends realize they need to do something.  It’s really not the Tour’s role to drag someone to rehab. 

[MK7Golf21]

30 minutes ago, mat562 said:

Just read his Twitter post.

 

To say Murray doesn't come off too well is somewhat of an understatement. Evidently pretty much everyone is to blame for him deciding to drink to excess except him. His Tweet reads as though he drank heavily because no one went out of their way to give him reason not to.

 

I've sympathy for the lad, as I'm sure many have, and I hope he sorts out his issues; but in my opinion he firstly needs to usher in a sea change in his apportioning of both blame and responsibility.

most addicts act this way. 

[caniac6]

One of the schools he left was Wake Forest. I play golf with a guy that retired as an addiction councilor for the WF athletic department, so I know Grayson had that available.

[vsabre]

2 hours ago, Old Tom Morris said:

Plenty of help available for anyone with an alcohol problem.  It might not be on the tour or as convenient as he currently thinks it should be.  It’s his own responsibility to address it.

 

Nothing can stop a person that truly wants sobriety.  

 

Nothing can help a person that doesn’t truly want sobriety.

28 years in recovery and couldn't agree more. May have to borrow this for my next meeting 😎

[bscinstnct]

“Murray said the PGA has him on probation for being drunk in a hotel bar in Hawaii.”

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10008566-grayson-murray-says-pga-tour-never-offered-help-with-alcoholism-in-twitter-statement.amp.html

 

 

[ray9898]

All this seems to prove is Grayson lacks personal responsibility.  Life isn't always someone else fault or their responsibility to fix.

 

He is a 27yo professional athlete who has earned $2.8m just in winnings.  He has the means to deal with his own problems that the average person can only dream of.  Stop acting entitled and fix your problems.

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by ray9898

[farmer]

No one, no organization, can just step up and "help" an addict.  I feel sorry for the guy, but he's in charge.  Want help?  Go get some help.

[caniac6]

I would imagine there are AA meetings in every city the Tour visits.

[tiderider]

"Why was I drunk? Because I'm a f---ing alcoholic that hates everything to do with the PGA Tour life and that's my scapegoat," he wrote. 

 

if only there was something he could do to attempt to dress the issue ... 

 

[ray9898]

15 minutes ago, tiderider said:

"Why was I drunk? Because I'm a f---ing alcoholic that hates everything to do with the PGA Tour life and that's my scapegoat," he wrote. 

 

if only there was something he could do to attempt to dress the issue ... 

 

 

 

 

No kidding....walk away and get a normal job like everyone else and see how great that is you entitled brat.

[mizuno player]

First. At least he's admitting he has an issue. But it sounds as though, as others have said he's wanting someone to fix it for him. 

 

I am also an independent contractor. I am responsible for all of my own personal needs. I have no doubt they would hold my "job" if I needed to take time away. If he has any status I'm sure the tour would give him a a medical exemption.

 

If they fine him for drinking maybe take that money and give it to a rehab facility for him. They surely do not need his fine money to keep the doors open. 

 

The only way for him or anyone to get better is to Own it. I feel bad for anyone with addiction issues. It's a tough life.  

[bscinstnct]

19 minutes ago, mizuno player said:

First. At least he's admitting he has an issue. But it sounds as though, as others have said he's wanting someone to fix it for him. 

 

I am also an independent contractor. I am responsible for all of my own personal needs. I have no doubt they would hold my "job" if I needed to take time away. If he has any status I'm sure the tour would give him a a medical exemption.

 

If they fine him for drinking maybe take that money and give it to a rehab facility for him. They surely do not need his fine money to keep the doors open. 

 

The only way for him or anyone to get better is to Own it. I feel bad for anyone with addiction issues. It's a tough life.  

 

Ya, it seems like he’s ticked off he got fined for drinking and thought a helping hand would be nice.

 

I think that if he played for a pro sports team, they are set up with the resources and network to get their guys help

 

Different with these guys being independent.

 

Interesting public jab at the tour from Phil. Wonder what he’s taking about that they didn’t get back to him.

 

Thing about guys is they don’t like to ask for help. We see it as a weakness. I’m sure we have all kept problems inside that it would have been easy to ask for help for but our pride won’t let us.

 

Considering he was apparently publicly drunk enough to get fined recently, wonder if he’s drinking still. Maybe this is a cry for help. Hope he finds some. 

Edited July 25, 2021 by bscinstnct

[PJE]

This is the cry of a person in pain. He has not yet hit the bottom and he’s still  looking to others for intervention or blaming others. He has not yet owned his problem or his behavior. 
I’ve had experience with alcoholics and alcoholism is so difficult, so consuming, and so destructive.

I hope he finds sobriety and peace. 

Edited July 25, 2021 by PJE

[TiScape]

33 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

Interesting public jab at the tour from Phil. wonder what he’s talking about that they didn’t get back to him? 

Gambling addiction??? Just a guess. 😬 🤷🏼‍♂️😂

Edited July 25, 2021 by TiScape

[bscinstnct]

7 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Gambling addiction??? Just a guess. 😬 🤷🏼‍♂️😂

Lol, I think the tour stopped taking Phil’s calls with all his complaining about stuff 

 

Or how about when Philly Phresh like,

 

“According to four people with direct knowledge, Mickelson sent a text message to PGA Tour commissioner Tim Finchem from the sixth fairway at Muirfield Village suggesting that a lack of policing fans with cellphones was getting out of hand.”

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ap-phil-mickelson-texted-complaint-about-noisy-cellphones-to-pga-chief-during-tournament/

 

 

Edited July 25, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Old Tom Morris]

5 hours ago, vsabre said:

28 years in recovery and couldn't agree more. May have to borrow this for my next meeting 😎

Almost ten years for me.  Feel bad for this man.  He’s pretty low but still looking for the bottom and that is an awful place.  I always need a reminder like this of how miserable it was at the end.

[woodriff]

3 hours ago, caniac6 said:

I would imagine there are AA meetings in every city the Tour visits.

In fact I’ll bet the players have AA meetings. Only takes two for a meeting!