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I am currently working on backswing and more precisely getting set up with stronger lag angles and wrist angle for a more closed face. 

 

When I start my backswing, I struggle with wrist hinge. I feel like I get in the best position when I use my rear hand to start the hinge vs my guide hand. Should I feel like my rear hand is starting the hinge or should it be the front or equal?

 

Hope that makes sense. Lol

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1 minute ago, Navistar said:

 

 

I am currently working on backswing and more precisely getting set up with stronger lag angles and wrist angle for a more closed face. 

 

When I start my backswing, I struggle with wrist hinge. I feel like I get in the best position when I use my rear hand to start the hinge vs my guide hand. Should I feel like my rear hand is starting the hinge or should it be the front or equal?

 

Hope that makes sense. Lol

I don't think you should feel any hand doing wrist hinge. It would actually create more lag if they stayed straight and went limp the moment u started ur downswing 

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2 hours ago, Navistar said:

 

 

I am currently working on backswing and more precisely getting set up with stronger lag angles and wrist angle for a more closed face. 

 

When I start my backswing, I struggle with wrist hinge. I feel like I get in the best position when I use my rear hand to start the hinge vs my guide hand. Should I feel like my rear hand is starting the hinge or should it be the front or equal?

 

Hope that makes sense. Lol

Bit of both.    Extend trail and hinge lead.  They work together. Start early have have them set between p2 an p3.   Can use whatever feelyou want as long as they both work together.

 

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10 hours ago, Navistar said:

 

 

I am currently working on backswing and more precisely getting set up with stronger lag angles and wrist angle for a more closed face. 

 

When I start my backswing, I struggle with wrist hinge. I feel like I get in the best position when I use my rear hand to start the hinge vs my guide hand. Should I feel like my rear hand is starting the hinge or should it be the front or equal?

 

Hope that makes sense. Lol

 

Move one and the other will follow, it’s all about personal preference. If you are attempting something with the hands on the downswing you may want to take that into consideration, will be easier using the same hand for both. 

 

You can hinge the wrists by using the forearms if you wish. 

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3 hours ago, aramirez24 said:

My wrist hinge got so much better and easier when I stopped trying to make it happen. Let them hinge on their own and you "should" get into the position you're looking for. NSA just what is working for me. 

Agree, ruined my swing for a season trying to mess with my wrists. Now just focus on putting the club where I want it and it just happens.

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I just had lesson 4 of 5 from a local instruction clinic, and the topic was increasing my hinge and lag. I have learned that any changes to my swing need to be done only on the range as trying to do it when playing = misery. At my age I'm not convinced I need to change much trying to get an extra 20 yards. The downside is I end up hitting some wild shots. But, if I need to bend one to the right all I need to do is try to increase the hinge. Works every time.

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On 7/28/2021 at 2:33 PM, Navistar said:

 

 

I am currently working on backswing and more precisely getting set up with stronger lag angles and wrist angle for a more closed face. 

 

When I start my backswing, I struggle with wrist hinge. I feel like I get in the best position when I use my rear hand to start the hinge vs my guide hand. Should I feel like my rear hand is starting the hinge or should it be the front or equal?

 

Hope that makes sense. Lol

 

I'm no expert on this and actually asked iTeach for feedback in another thread, but be aware there there are (at least) some highly regarded teachers (Mike Adams, Terry Rowles) who teach different wrist hinges (vertical, diagonal, horizontal) based on individual biomechanics, i.e. how your right hand/forearm naturally want to orient in the backswing.

 

I definitely buy into that and think a one-size-fits-all approach is doomed from the start, even moreso if you're talking about a "feel" which is so unique to the individual. 

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A popular local pro who is also a high school golf coach tells people this: On full swing, do what comes natural.

 

He thinks like jm does: 

4 minutes ago, thejazzmarauder said:

some highly regarded teachers (Mike Adams, Terry Rowles) who teach different wrist hinges (vertical, diagonal, horizontal) based on individual biomechanics, i.e. how your right hand/forearm naturally want to orient in the backswing.

 

I definitely buy into that and think a one-size-fits-all approach is doomed from the start ...

 

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On 7/28/2021 at 5:33 PM, Navistar said:

 

 

I am currently working on backswing and more precisely getting set up with stronger lag angles and wrist angle for a more closed face. 

 

When I start my backswing, I struggle with wrist hinge. I feel like I get in the best position when I use my rear hand to start the hinge vs my guide hand. Should I feel like my rear hand is starting the hinge or should it be the front or equal?

 

Hope that makes sense. Lol

 

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I actually use a method created by Joe Dante in his book, Four Magic Moves to Winning Golf. I employ a backward wrist break as the first move of my backswing. I am presenting my wrists and turning my shoulders to put the club on plane . The downswing is automatic as long as you keep your wrist angle. Less moving parts and more consistency.

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On 7/28/2021 at 5:33 PM, Navistar said:

 

 

I am currently working on backswing and more precisely getting set up with stronger lag angles and wrist angle for a more closed face. 

 

When I start my backswing, I struggle with wrist hinge. I feel like I get in the best position when I use my rear hand to start the hinge vs my guide hand. Should I feel like my rear hand is starting the hinge or should it be the front or equal?

 

Hope that makes sense. Lol

 

If you get the club too inside going back, then that could be from too early/too much right hand wrist bend to start the swing. If this is a problem for you, then you might be better using a pushing-down feel of your left hand's heel pad to leverage the club up (as opposed to back) more to start the swing.

 

Essentially, it can be done with either hand dominating the action; but, to me, they feel different in terms of where each tends to set the club. Mess around with it and see what works best (which sounds like the right hand for you).

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On 7/28/2021 at 5:33 PM, Navistar said:

 

 

I am currently working on backswing and more precisely getting set up with stronger lag angles and wrist angle for a more closed face. 

 

When I start my backswing, I struggle with wrist hinge. I feel like I get in the best position when I use my rear hand to start the hinge vs my guide hand. Should I feel like my rear hand is starting the hinge or should it be the front or equal?

 

Hope that makes sense. Lol

 

You and I are in the same boat, only I've been struggling with my hands and the wrist c0ck for 16 years.

 

However, after so much experimentation trying every theory out there I have figured setting the hands early is the best chance of getting a good wrist c0ck and hands position otherwise my swing will break down. The "hands first" technique is not as popular like turning the shoulders under but at least for some it is a great help to get the proper hand action, which when done right adds a lot of easy speed and accuracy. I believe the "Cast No Swing Drill" is similar in concept.

 

I have looked at Mike Austin, Tom Weiskopf, John Daly, Ernie Els, Tony Finau, Henrik Stenson and DJ Johnson as good examples of the hands first takeaway. Most use a forward press to start the swing, which until recently I could not master. However, I finally realized that my right hand was too passive, it needed to support the weight of the club and feel "connected". Once I do the forward press the shaft should be pointing back a little as the left hand has to turn over (Finau does this) from there the next move is to hold the hands as they are and w/o any manipulation of the hands simply push the shoulder to the chin. When done right the hands are set early and one no longer has to think about them they should get into the correct positions w/o any manipulation. I would like to add that the hands must actively swing through to the target when they drop enough during the downswing. Throwing old clubs down the line to a target is a good exercise to feel this.

 

It goes w/o saying if the shoulders, arms and hands are too tight it won't remotely work. I also bend both elbows slightly which seems to help. If its not working makes sure the left wrist is really flexible so that it can turn over quickly w/o tension. Watch video of the pros I mentioned to see what I am referring too. Manual De La Torres also has a video of helping a student with the takeaway that shows the same technique, there you can see the effect of having the wrists too tight and how Manuel showed the student how its done. Good luck buddy.

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Its pretty obsurd how many great ways someone can swing to produce maximum swing speed, AND accuracy. The hard part is finding the one you can use that doesn't hurt your body. I have literally tried every swing i can think of anywhere from a few days to a few weeks.

 

One thing I can tell you with certainty is you get to a point where your swing is the same with every swing, the only change is setup. Ball position, posture, and stance are the 3 factors that actually change your swing. You will take the clu head straight back from the ball, then you wack it, and the 3 factors determine the stresses on your body, the steepness or shallowness of your plane, the weight shift, the everything.

 

I've swung with spaghetti arms that are absolutely floppy and just driven by shoulder turn, I've skipped rocks, I've tried throwing club at ball, I've been open stance, I've swung in to out and out to in. Personally I think a great place to start is skipping rocks, it gets ur body in sync and you will really feel the whip. Once u get that feeling over a few thousand swings, u can find some combo that feels right and doesn't hurt any part of your body. Especially lower back.

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OP, do what feels comfortable. I hinge with my lead wrist but if the trail wrist feels better to you then do that! Many good ball strikers allow the wrists to hinge naturally but DJ & Morikawa would be great examples of manipulating the wrists and still producing a great swing. Find what works for you OP and stick with it. Try different things but make sure they match up with your grip and swing.

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