Jump to content

How to fill the gap between 5i and 5w


SteelyDan
 Share

Recommended Posts

Hi,

 

My longest iron is a 5i Mizuno JPX919f with a PX LZ 115g shaft. 25 degrees of loft.

I also game a Mavrik Max 5 Wood with 18 degrees of loft.

With 7 degrees of loft gap between these two, I am wondering what club to add.

Right now, I have a Srixon U85 23* with PX LZ 110g. I like the look and feel compared to a hybrid, but it's hardly longer than my 5i with 25*. No big surprise considering the loft. I also feel it is a bit hard to accelerate for me.

I was thninking to bend the utility to 21 degrees and probably switch to a lighter (graphite) shaft to add some distance. Or should I look at something else?

What do you think?

 

Thanks

 

SD

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A lot factors into what you like to see and how you want to play the shots: we all have a point where the irons are going to overlap based on speed/launch. For me its in the 22-23d range and I go 20 and 23d hybrids before 17d 4 wood vs. seeing my 4 iron go from great shot to meh not much better then 5iron. 

 

Need bullet balls? Try a utility iron with more help, lighter shaft maybe bit lower loft to match the gap. The U series is a good club for sure though swapping in say a 95g hybrid shaft, some lead tape may be an expensive experiment : you may be able to demo them instead and compare some launch data for yourself. 

 

Want to hit it high and can't stand a hybrid? 7wood (I prefer shorter shafts regardless, don't need the long shaft game on those clubs) 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It isn't just loft.  A wood is longer than an iron, unless you have a customized club like Michelle Wie's 11 wood.  Longer clubs give you more club head speed. (unless they get too long, which isn't an issue here)

A 7 wood would give you another long club with if you primarily hit off good lies.  A 4 Hybrid would be better off the rough and give you more distance than the 5I or U85.

Edited by ShortGolfer
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I’m in the exact same situation as the OP. 
 

I have a 21 degree hybrid, but bad shots are left…so went to the golf shop looking for a club that would fill that spot (205-215) between my 5 iron and my HL 3 wood. 
 

Looked at a utility and when I hit it flew the distance I needed, but when I missed…we’ll it didn’t. 
 

Then the fitter asked me if I thought about a 5/7 wood. Said no, so he took a 5 wood and turned the loft up 1.75 and flat and it seems to fit the bill nicely! 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, ShortGolfer said:

It isn't just loft.  A wood is longer than an iron, unless you have a customized club like Michelle Wie's 11 wood.  Longer clubs give you more club head speed. (unless they get too long, which isn't an issue here)

A 7 wood would give you another long club with if you primarily hit off good lies.  A 4 Hybrid would be better off the rough and give you more distance than the 5I or U85.

 

Woods and hybrids both are longer, but they don't have to be.

 

Its trivial to butt trim an inch and weight up the head as most clubs have some sort of removable weight for those that can't stand the horror that is high density lead tape. I play my 4H near a standard 4i length with a shaft that is the same family as my irons. 

 

Side note: I am happy with my 3H however all the folks on this site talking about their awesome 7 woods has me quite the itch to scratch. I need a demo day 😄 

 

Edited by bvanlieu
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I play a 19* 5 wood (Adams Tight lies 2013) with an 85g Evenflow black 6.0 at 41.5 inches  and a 25* five iron that is 1/2 over (Mizuno HMB) I’ve tried to gap this a few times different ways and not yet satisfied with what I’ve done

 

I have a 23* Adams 9031 proto hybrid that plays at the same progression as my irons (1/2 over standard steel length) with an OG  Hzrdus black 85g 6.0 in it,  and I have a Tour Edge CBX Ironwood at 22* that is the same length (1/2 over) with the same shaft as my irons Modus 105 hs/x1  at +1/2.  I find that they can both work well, but I get the occasional bomb that flies 10 yards further with less spin if I catch them a shade high on the face, so they end up flying my 5 wood distance with even more roll out ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


I just today ordered a 2016 Cobra Forged Tec (the cavity back looking one) that is 21* and I will play it 1/4 longer than my 5 iron. It will give me 4* of loft between the two clubs and 1/4 inch length.  My reasoning was that I don’t think there will be as much as an effect on strikes that are a touch high on the face, so spin won’t drop as much……. I’m hoping anyways. 
 

I bought the Cobra on the ‘bay with head only, and they had some other game improvement type heads that were in the realm of possibility since I have a couple of shafts lying around. 
 

Taylormade M CGB 5 iron

TM Sim Max OS 

Cobra Bio Cell

Callaway Maverik Max 

PXG 0211

New Level 1126

 

i only went with the forged tec because it had the least offset, but there are options 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, dbleag said:

I decided to focus on carrying only 12 clubs instead of 14.

 

Driver = 10.5*

4W = 17.5*

7W = 21*

5I = 25*

 

Dropped LW and got a PING Eye2 Gorge XG SW (56*) - very versatile for me.

Had this exact setup for over a year now and try as I might I can’t find any gaps anywhere.  Just works. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4-iron when it's windy. 7W when it's not.

Taylormade SLDR TP 430 JDM 10*         Fujikura Ventus Black 7X

TE Exotics CBX-119 3WD 15*                   Fujikura Ventus Red 8X

Bridgestone J33 AirMuscle 3                   Velyx Rome Wildeye 988X
MIURA CB57 4-7                                       MMT-125TX

MIURA MB-001 8-P                                   MMT-125TX
Chikara V1 Proto 52, 57, 61                       MMT-125TX (8-iron)

Cameron 009 Prototype 34/350 (A010656)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The answer is simple - hybrid and/or 7/9 wood.

The answer is complicated - hybrid and/or 7/9 wood.

 

Not all hybrids hit the same. If you go with adjustable clubs you can often tweak distances and/or draw bias and/or appearance at address. Some people like hybrids, some like woods, no single right answer.

  • Like 1

G400Max Xtorsion 60S | G425 5W Orange 75S - 4H-7H Orange 80S

ZX7 8-AW Recoil 95F3 | Glide3 Eye2 55-60 Recoil W Proto | Nova

in rotation: F9 3W Devo 7S - 3H Devo 8S - ER2B

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I guess it depends on if you like a wood, hybrid, or utility iron to fill the gap between the 5i & 5w.  The most budget friendly option is your original suggestion, to bend the utility iron strong and replace the shaft with a lighter AND longer shaft.  That should easily get you to at least 10-12 yards between it and your 5i, but probably not to the halfway point of the 5w.  Maybe do that AND add 1* of loft to your 5w, pending it's an adjustable one?

 

Otherwise, get a 7w or hybrid to fit the gap and make sure to get fitted and target a specific distance in that fitting.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have this same issue and mainly use the 4i off the tee to stay short of trouble. My solution was going with the stronger lofter companion set from the same manufacturer. I now have 5i - GW in Ping i200 and changed to the i500 4i which is stronger lofted than the i200 set and more forgiving. 

 

You could add a JPX919 HM 4i which is 20* and it would be a nice progression. Or like you said, bend that utility to 21*.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Currently have a 19* 3h and 19* GAPR Lo utility ish thing. I am looking at 2 driving iron and hat might replace the hybrid.

Taylormade M3 driver Mitsubishi Kuro Kage TiNi 70G shaft (cut to 44.5")

Taylormade M1 5 wood

Taylormade GAPR Lo 19* Hybrid 

Taylormade GAPR Mid 21* Hybrid

KZG Forged Blade 4, 5, 7-PW

Mizuno MP-68 6 iron

Mitsubishi Kuro Kage 80g iron shafts

Lazrus 52/8 and 56/12 wedges

Nike Blue Chip 002 putter

Golf Pride Concept Helix grips

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Bar_Stroll said:

I have this same issue and mainly use the 4i off the tee to stay short of trouble. My solution was going with the stronger lofter companion set from the same manufacturer. I now have 5i - GW in Ping i200 and changed to the i500 4i which is stronger lofted than the i200 set and more forgiving. 

 

You could add a JPX919 HM 4i which is 20* and it would be a nice progression. Or like you said, bend that utility to 21*.

Kind of what I’m doing. 
 

You may be able to play the Hot Metal the same length as your 5 iron with the 5* loft difference ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

a Jpx 921 HMP is 22* in a 5 iron. At 1/2 over you would be the same number as your set 4 iron. Less offset than most Utilities and Game improvement irons 👍

 

My 4 Utility was 8-9 yards longer than my 5 iron at the same length with a 3* difference, but I just seem to catch it high in the face off the tee and bust it another 10 carry and 15 roll, so it’s ending up 30 yards longer than my 5 iron randomly……… usually off the tee, and flying the green 😡 

Edited by Drivingrangehero
Added info Jpx 921 HMP
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I also recently found I was hitting my utility (on average) not much further than my 5 iron.

 

I then discovered I wasn't hitting my 5 iron much further (on average) than my strongly lofted 6 iron.

 

So I went hybrid even though I didn't like hybrids. I used to hook them.

 

For me, hybrids with adjustable hosels were a game changer.

 

They go higher and further for me than equivalent irons (I'm getting old and slow) so I now have proper gaps..

 

Adjustable hybrids tend to be more 'player' for a start so less draw biased. But the ability to open the face and adjust lie is brilliant.

 

I now have it set up so I have a 16.5 4 wood which I draw, a 19 hybrid which I fade, a 21 hybrid which I draw, a nd a 24 and 27 which I hit straight.

 

In your case I'd go for a 22ish adjustable hybrid. Ping G425 is the obvious one. I use an Epic Flash, but have also had great results with a TM GAPR Hi.

 

I also have the Mizuno JPX FliHi's mentioned above and like them a lot, but would like them more if they were adjustable.

 

 

Mavrik Hzrdus Smoke
Cobra F6 Baffler

Ping G410/Epic Flash Hybrids
Cobra Forged Tec Copper Irons
Cleveland CBX2 wedges
PXG One and Done

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I only have a 4 iron in between.  It leaves a bit of a bigger gap than I probably want, but if I choke up the 5w an inch or so I can chop some yardage off that way if needed. 

Taylormade Sim 2 8* Fujikura Pro Tour Spec 73x

Taylormade M3 3 Wood Accra FX 300

Callaway Epic Super Hybrid 18* Steelfiber FC 

Taylormade P770  4-PW Rifle 6.0

MG2 50/54/60 S400

TM Itsy Bitsy

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 8/4/2021 at 4:46 AM, SteelyDan said:

Right now, I have a Srixon U85 23* with PX LZ 110g. I like the look and feel compared to a hybrid, but it's hardly longer than my 5i with 25*. No big surprise considering the loft. I also feel it is a bit hard to accelerate for me.

The U85 may not be the right club for you, if the distance between U85 and 4i is only 6 yards. If the U85 now has a low trajectory, lowering the loft likely won't help. Loft is primary determinant of launch angle; shaft only gives fine-tuning. 

 

As others have hinted, a 4H would be worth trying out. So...

  • What has been your past experience with hybrids?
  • Besides distance, what do you want from this 5W-4i bridge club?

What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2020)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i-9i

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip

Ball: Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

For details see:  Pending (need protocol to embed file list).

     * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Our picks

    • 2021 Fortinet Championship - Discussion and Links
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #1
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #2
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #3
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #4
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #5
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #6
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #7
      2021 Fortinet Championship - Tuesday #8
       
       
      New Ping putter - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      New Bettinardi putters & Cover - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Ping Putters - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Odyssey putters - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Cameron putter and new ball marker - 2021 Fortinet Championship
       
       
      Sneds - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Peter Uihlein - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Charles Howell, III - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Scott Piercy - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Brandan Steele - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Mito Pereira - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
      Kevin Tway - WITB -2021 Fortinet Championship
      Joseph Bramlett - WITB - 2021 Fortinet Championship
       
       
       
      • 19 replies
    • 2021 Tour Championship - Discussion and Comments
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      Odyssey putters - 2021 Tour Championship
      LA Golf putter shafts - 2021 Tour Championship
       
       
       
      • 25 replies
    • 2021 BMW Championship - Discussion and Links
      Put any questions of comments here
       
       
      2021 BMW Championship - Tuesday #1
      2021 BMW Championship - Tuesday #2
      2021 BMW Championship - Tuesday #3
      2021 BMW Championship - Tuesday #4
      2021 BMW Championship - Tuesday #5
      2021 BMW Championship - Tuesday #6
      2021 BMW Championship - Tuesday #7
       
       
      Cameron T-11 & T-11.5 putters at 2021 BMW Championship
      Mizuno Pro FliHi and 225 irons - 2021 BMW CHampionship
       
       
       
      • 18 replies
    • 2021 Ping i59 irons & Glide Forged wedges in hand comparison pics!!!
      In hand pics of the new 2021 Ping i59 irons and Glide Forged wedges...
       

       
      Ping i59 7 iron
       

       
       
      Ping i59 PW
       

       
      Ping i59 Comparison Photos

       

       

       

       
       
       
       
      PING Glide Forged Wedges

       
      Ping Glide Eye Toe Wedge
       
        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 97 replies
    • 2021 The Northern Trust - Discussion and Links
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      2021 The Northern Trust - Tuesday #1
      2021 The Northern Trust - Tuesday #2
      2021 The Northern Trust - Tuesday #3
      2021 The Northern Trust - Tuesday #4
      2021 The Northern Trust - Tuesday #5
      2021 The Northern Trust - Tuesday #6
      2021 The Northern Trust - Tuesday #7
       
       
      New Cameron for JT - 2021 The Northern Trust
      New Cameron putters for Garrick Higgo - 2021 The Northern Trust
      New Odyssey putter covers - 2021 The Northern Trust
       
       
      • 6 replies

×
×
  • Create New...