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Anyway, I recently angrily sold an evnroll er2 after a few bad rounds (I have a habit of this) and picked up a Ping anser 1959 for £60 to use until I have a putter fitting this week. 

 

Problem is, I putted lights out with this thing yesterday. No 3 putts (down from 4 the previous week), longest putt made was about 40 feet on 18 for birdie to win my match, made all putts within 6 feet, a few 8 footers, 1 12 foot plus for birdie, and had a tap in from about 50 feet. Basically felt like I could hole everything. 

 

This comes to my question. I haven't been fit for this putter, but I absolutely love the sound when you hit a putt. I guess it sounds like a kind of click but I love it. Are all ping ansers similar sounding? And what putters out in the market today sound similar? .

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Hard to say without pics as I'm not familiar with that specific Ping. I'm going to assume cast head, 340g give or take, smooth face, does it have a sound slot?

 

Basically smooth face to light mill putters often give a click sound but if they get very heavy it becomes more muted. A sound slot can give a click as well if you have deeper milling on a face. Usually X model balls or higher compression balls will sound a bit more clicky or muted when putting.

 

Also not all Ping's sound the same especially any with an insert, they are often quite soft. The new Heppler line will be on the clicky side.

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Thanks for the reply. Interesting what you mentioned about milled and smooth face, hadn't thought about that making a difference. This ping is smooth with no sound slot and makes the click, where the evnroll was dull and completely different.

 

I use a pro v1 so not sure if that would make a difference or not. 

 

Will definately be checking out the smooth faced putters and ones with sound slots in the fitting. 

 

Here's the anser 2 I picked up:665927442_Screenshot_20210829-210713_SamsungInternet.jpg.8f63ff57e1d5d2ca1a446a74faa4a1a4.jpg

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5 minutes ago, UK golfist said:

Thanks for the reply. Interesting what you mentioned about milled and smooth face, hadn't thought about that making a difference. This ping is smooth with no sound slot and makes the click, where the evnroll was dull and completely different.

 

I use a pro v1 so not sure if that would make a difference or not. 

 

Will definately be checking out the smooth faced putters and ones with sound slots in the fitting. 

 

Here's the anser 2 I picked up:665927442_Screenshot_20210829-210713_SamsungInternet.jpg.8f63ff57e1d5d2ca1a446a74faa4a1a4.jpg

 

Yeah the milling usually has the most to do with sound. Smooth faces have the most surface area contact the ball where a deep mill has the least.

 

As for trying those in a fitting, only Ping has smooth faced putters at the moment with the Heppler line and no OEM company has sound slots. Something like that is usually an older putter like the one you have or a custom made one which some can be quite reasonable depending on the company.

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This is one of my favorite topics, but it’s almost impossible to actually discuss putter sound.  Know what I mean?  It’s just so subjective and difficult to describe.  I love trying every putter possible to get a feel for the sound of everything.  
 

From experience with a ton of putters, cavity thickness seems to have more impact on sound than milling depth.  I’ve had deep milled putters with a high pitched metallic sound, and I’ve had flymilled, almost smooth, faced putters with a soft muted sound.  
 

more in line with your q., pings vault 2.0 anser head has incredible feel. Definitely a nice click.  

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Thanks for the recommendation, I'll try to check those out but not sure he'll have those, looks like they are slightly older. Looking forward to trying a few different models to see the differences.

 

Up until I got this ping putter, sound is something i truly havent thought about on a putter, and judging by this thread and others (now I know what I'm looking for I've been down a rabbit hole or two) I may have been better off in the dark... Seems like there is way more to sound/feel than I first thought... 

 

One good putting round can seriously change the way you think about putters...

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13 hours ago, UK golfist said:

Thanks for the reply. Interesting what you mentioned about milled and smooth face, hadn't thought about that making a difference. This ping is smooth with no sound slot and makes the click, where the evnroll was dull and completely different.

 

I use a pro v1 so not sure if that would make a difference or not. 

 

Will definately be checking out the smooth faced putters and ones with sound slots in the fitting. 

 

Here's the anser 2 I picked up:665927442_Screenshot_20210829-210713_SamsungInternet.jpg.8f63ff57e1d5d2ca1a446a74faa4a1a4.jpg

If it works for you, maybe you should consider continuing to use it?

 

FWIW, I believe that despite it being an entry-level A2 without any fancy materials/milling, that is the exact model which Martin Kaymer used to win the 2014 US Open, the USPGA, and to hole *that* winning Ryder Cup putt... 

 

Most iterations of the Anser/Anser 2, both by Ping and the widely-available expensive copies by lots of other makers, have milling which will dull the sound (as MattM rightly says).  Personally, I really disliked the Sigma and Vault 1 faces by Ping - both were real 'dud' sound/feels, and far too soft for me.

 

Blank/unmilled faces have been out of fashion for quite a while now, although there is nothing wrong with them per se; the Heppler line was the first for a long time not to have any milling.

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It may well have to stay, hoping to get some insight from the fitting on loft and lie and maybe he can make adjustments on the spot. 

 

Interested to try out a few different faces now to compare feel/sound based on these comments. Appreciate the input. Starting to see why there are so many different threads on putters as I'm guessing this is on scratching the surface 

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You found a putter that you love and it loves you back. I'd cancel the fitting myself. I play a 25 year old Anser3. Love the solid feel and sound when it strikes my ProV.  I like the way I can putt with the toe for softer touch on fast down hill putts. I use it to putt with the toe if a ball is nestled just into the 2nd cut. I LOVE the way I can use it to pick up balls or ball markers off the green without having to bend over.  I've  the original ping grip and when the putter starts misbehaving I put a couple of wraps of sports tape on the grip. Using a 3 layer wrap now and it fits my hand. 

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On 8/31/2021 at 7:28 AM, Wooley12 said:

You found a putter that you love and it loves you back. I'd cancel the fitting myself. I play a 25 year old Anser3. Love the solid feel and sound when it strikes my ProV.  I like the way I can putt with the toe for softer touch on fast down hill putts. I use it to putt with the toe if a ball is nestled just into the 2nd cut. I LOVE the way I can use it to pick up balls or ball markers off the green without having to bend over.  I've  the original ping grip and when the putter starts misbehaving I put a couple of wraps of sports tape on the grip. Using a 3 layer wrap know and it fits my hand. 

Would you not still want to check if it fits you for loft/lie etc? It was a panic buy as the evnroll sold quicker than expected so I only know the length... Maybe I should just ride the wave while its working.

 

Plus, I've had this before with putters, first few rounds I am money, then poof, it's gone. Unfortunately I can't afford a new putter every month but I've seen a lot on this forum where people have a few putters in a rotation. Seems like a good way to go maybe...

 

 

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I would definitely at least get the specs documented. Loft, lie, length, swingweight, and total weight. There could be a magic combo of something in there that you can take with you to other putters. 

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PD,

You've been busy today with the postings, ;).   Your comment is, well, not exactly accurate.  Back in the day, big companies like PING made their putters using a casting method of one type, or another.  They were quality pieces, all attention was paid to a uniform face and for all intents and purposes, they were among the best putters produced........at the time.   But, even during PING's prime years, there were PGA Pros who would take their Ansers to guys they knew in machine shops and have the faces machined flat.  Not "flat" in the sense that they removed all loft, but "flat" in a sense of removing any surface imperfections like swells or dips across the face.  Believe me, if you have ever machined a classic PING putter, their faces were far from perfectly flat, but for the methods they use, they were as good as could be done.

When Karsten would see these putters, knowing that technically if a player was sponsored by PING, the putter was still PING property, he would remove them from the players' possession and have them destroyed.  He believed that HIS method was the best and if PING had not milled the face, it was not something he wanted out in the world.

Milling the face of a putter creates a flat surface.  You can deep mill, tight mill, create designs that are unique or just do what you think is best.  But, in the end, an object locked in a vise and passed under a stationary cutter, will create a flat surface. 

Yes, sound can be changed by the depth of the pattern, the spacing of the cutter marks and a few other tricks, but that is a side benefit.  The original guys were looking for a truly flat face and a vertical mill was the tool chosen, IMHO.

It is just one Mann's opinion and I hope that you take it as such, not hard cold fact.

 

Thanks for your read,

LaMont in AZ

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5 minutes ago, golfluvzme said:

PD,

You've been busy today with the postings, ;).   Your comment is, well, not exactly accurate.  Back in the day, big companies like PING made their putters using a casting method of one type, or another.  They were quality pieces, all attention was paid to a uniform face and for all intents and purposes, they were among the best putters produced........at the time.   But, even during PING's prime years, there were PGA Pros who would take their Ansers to guys they knew in machine shops and have the faces machined flat.  Not "flat" in the sense that they removed all loft, but "flat" in a sense of removing any surface imperfections like swells or dips across the face.  Believe me, if you have ever machined a classic PING putter, their faces were far from perfectly flat, but for the methods they use, they were as good as could be done.

When Karsten would see these putters, knowing that technically if a player was sponsored by PING, the putter was still PING property, he would remove them from the players' possession and have them destroyed.  He believed that HIS method was the best and if PING had not milled the face, it was not something he wanted out in the world.

Milling the face of a putter creates a flat surface.  You can deep mill, tight mill, create designs that are unique or just do what you think is best.  But, in the end, an object locked in a vise and passed under a stationary cutter, will create a flat surface. 

Yes, sound can be changed by the depth of the pattern, the spacing of the cutter marks and a few other tricks, but that is a side benefit.  The original guys were looking for a truly flat face and a vertical mill was the tool chosen, IMHO.

It is just one Mann's opinion and I hope that you take it as such, not hard cold fact.

 

Thanks for your read,

LaMont in AZ

 

Probably getting to that threshold to sell on the BST lol. 

 

But that's an interesting story about Karsten destroying putters, even though I've heard that at some point he did mill the faces on some putters but it wasn't many. 

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17 hours ago, MattM97 said:

 

Probably getting to that threshold to sell on the BST lol. 

 

But that's an interesting story about Karsten destroying putters, even though I've heard that at some point he did mill the faces on some putters but it wasn't many. 

Milling will always have tighter tolerances than casting or forging a head.  Casting and forging currently just are not as exact, but they have gotten a million times better than they used to be.  I know little to nothing about MiM and it's tolerances, but based on what I have been hearing this will be the wave of the future in making clubheads.

 

 There are ways to trick or change sound.

1. Cavity thickness

2. Contact with the putter(this includes all the different milling techniques)  The less metal that touches the ball the more muted the sound is(all other things equal)

3. Grain of the bock of metal they are milled with.  EVNROLL had this problem with some of the early ER5 models that came out.  Anyone who has putted with an early model and a later absolutely could tell the difference.

4. Thickness and design of the flange can change sound

5. The metal used.  The harder the metal typically the higher the pitch of sound, all other things equal.

 

Done correctly you could take a non insert putter and with 1-5 laid out in a certain way make it feel as "soft" or muted as an white hot insert.  With today's golf balls and the fact that I prefer the playing characteristics of more higher compression golf balls, but really like a soft feel off of the putter, I go to 1-5 a certain way so it softens putting impact or go to a soft insert.  

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1 minute ago, driveandputtmachine said:

Milling will always have tighter tolerances than casting or forging a head.  Casting and forging currently just are not as exact, but they have gotten a million times better than they used to be.  I know little to nothing about MiM and it's tolerances, but based on what I have been hearing this will be the wave of the future in making clubheads.

 

 There are ways to trick or change sound.

1. Cavity thickness

2. Contact with the putter(this includes all the different milling techniques)  The less metal that touches the ball the more muted the sound is(all other things equal)

3. Grain of the bock of metal they are milled with.  EVNROLL had this problem with some of the early ER5 models that came out.  Anyone who has putted with an early model and a later absolutely could tell the difference.

4. Thickness and design of the flange can change sound

5. The metal used.  The harder the metal typically the higher the pitch of sound, all other things equal.

 

Done correctly you could take a non insert putter and with 1-5 laid out in a certain way make it feel as "soft" or muted as an white hot insert.  With today's golf balls and the fact that I prefer the playing characteristics of more higher compression golf balls, but really like a soft feel off of the putter, I go to 1-5 a certain way so it softens putting impact or go to a soft insert.  

 

I understand quite a bit of that except for the grain of the block that's new to me and quite interesting. 

 

But the milled Anser faces was way back kinda doing what SeeMore did with their FGP heads where they cast the body and mill the face maybe to get a flatter surface. They still believe in casting so much they have Dolphin Casting. But MIM seems really interesting like casting and forging had a baby kinda. 

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1 hour ago, MattM97 said:

 

I understand quite a bit of that except for the grain of the block that's new to me and quite interesting. 

 

But the milled Anser faces was way back kinda doing what SeeMore did with their FGP heads where they cast the body and mill the face maybe to get a flatter surface. They still believe in casting so much they have Dolphin Casting. But MIM seems really interesting like casting and forging had a baby kinda. 

The grain is not something many people know about when producing a milled putter.  I had my thoughts on it when I owned a putter company and started to piece it together.  It was during a conversation I had with Guerin when I finally put it all together.

 

MiM from what I have been able to read and see, is like a three way with casting, forging and milling.  It is supposed to be much more exact in specs than forging or casting, which is why I throw milling into this and make it a love triangle.

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