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56 minutes ago, bopper53 said:

New Ping, not hardly !

 

I have tried a lot of their stuff on the range,  it is nothing special for the initial price.

 

Kind of funny that Howell III and Horschel got fed up with their stuff rather quickly.

 

The 0811X driver can't touch my G425 or my Titleist TSI2

 

Why would you buy a PXG iron when you could get a Mizuno or Ping Blueprint ?

 

All testosterone marketing.

I could say the same that my set of PXG Gen 2 0311 P irons replaced a set of i210 irons (FYI I paid less for the PXG irons than the PINGs) and a Proto driver replaced a G410 driver and still paid less for the Proto.  I still have my PING hybrids and Glide wedges as I think they are great.  
 

PXG makes clubs that are as good as anything out there.  I don’t limit my club selection to just a few manufacturers. 

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1 hour ago, bopper53 said:

New Ping, not hardly !

 

I have tried a lot of their stuff on the range,  it is nothing special for the initial price.

 

Kind of funny that Howell III and Horschel got fed up with their stuff rather quickly.

 

The 0811X driver can't touch my G425 or my Titleist TSI2

 

Why would you buy a PXG iron when you could get a Mizuno or Ping Blueprint ?

 

All testosterone marketing.

How about the i59, oh wait....

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6 hours ago, Laznasty said:

They're not selling the new stuff for those prices, it's a way to potentially get new customers into the brand and get rid of old inventory at the same time.

 

Callaway may be doing similar things. A used sporting goods shop keep displaying Callaway irons - very good shape - that are from the two previous production cycles. The owner says he can get them from Callaway without much trouble. If CPO shows a scarcity of MD4 wedges and Rogue irons, it makes people less likely to hold out for price cuts on current models. The Mavriks might end up gone too.

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1 hour ago, C_rad said:

To be fair, if i could get them in canada, i would buy them! 

Just saw that now they are available in Canada, but not in my province. If someone in Canada wants to help, let me know. 

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I'm on the phone with them now, on hold.  I'll ask.

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11 minutes ago, farmer said:

I don't have any particular feeling about PXG, but I wish their commercials weren't annoying.

 

Since I am an intellectually fair individual, I totally agree with the annoying ads and also the generally douchey vibe.  I am generally pretty reserved and turned off by that sort of thing.

 

I didn't buy them based on an ad.  I bought a single 7-iron out of intellectual curiosity after hitting a playing partner's Gen2 P's.  Hitting their clubs is a dangerous thing.  It directly leads to near-immediate purchase.  For me that was true, anyway.

 

For the record, I am not a ping hater.  Far from it actually and I would have been considered a ping dude a year ago.  I still have my G400 and personally regard it as the best driver they have made (Tisi is up there too).  The TSi4 only recently displaced it, but it very definitely replaced it.  I used Eye2's, BeCu ISI's and i500, but the Gen3 T's displaced them easily (these are the only sets of irons I have had since 1993ish so I'm not an iron ho and it is a limited sample).  I still have a Glide 3 60*.  I replaced the Glide 3 56* with a Sugar Daddy and there is simply no comparison between those two for me.  I am fond of the Arna putter and use it presently, but I also use a Del Mar and Blackjack because I struggle with inserts (distancewise) for an unbeknownst to me reason.  I am a putter ho, so I have quite a few Ping putters and like them all.  The adjustable shaft thing is huge.  PXG putters have come a long way.

 

If Ping or some other manufacturer doesn't have product to sell, then their market share is going to be affected by PXG or others (sub70 as an example) who are able to sell and deliver good product in a timely fashion.  Then there becomes a nonzero chance they fail get those customers back.

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31 minutes ago, ShowMe said:

I'm on the phone with them now, on hold.  I'll ask.

Just got off the phone with PXG.  They said that not only are they not going out of business, but they are in active negotiations to purchase one of the Big 3 golf club companies.

 

Ok, they didn't say that, but he did tell me that they have been incredibly busy taking orders over the phone for the past several months, never mind the amount of orders that come in via the Internet.  It would appear that business is booming at PXG.

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7 hours ago, PEI_Golfer said:

Do they even do 1/10th of what Ping does in a year?

They aren’t trying to. Same reason Ferrari doesn’t compare revenue with Ford. Not that PXG is the Ferrari of golf but still, they aren’t flooding Golf Galaxy with inventory. They seem to be sticking to their niche. 

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Nope.

 

It's not uncommon for a business to reduce old inventory at a reduced price.

 

And besides, there are too many folks with discretionary income that want the newest product and pay the asking price, whether it's really worth it or not. 

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I'll admit, it's a lot more appealing for me to take a flyer on a $300 driver than a $500.  I'm kinda interested in trying their stuff.  A playing partner plays and loves them.

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The only real casualty regarding PXG are some the green grass accounts and smaller fitters who took them on as another boutique brand when the 0311 first came out. When PXG started DTC the writing was on the wall for the small operations. By Gen 3 it was all over but the crying as PXG began to open more and more of their own regional boutiques and fitting studios coupled with private clubs but fittings available to the public. Obviously they weren't the first to go DTC but look at what's happened in golf retail. Almost every MFGR offers some level of DTC except Ping. PXG introduced us ,again, to the internal cavity concept and made it better than before. They took cues from racing and militaria by not hiding some of the "sauce" and gave golfers an edgy industrial look all in an iron with no flashy colors. Think about irons pre-PXG.... PXG was the anti- Nike, Cobra, Ping, Callaway, TM as the said we have a clean looking iron at address that dares you to make fun of it in the bag and is completely void of color. Look at iron design since. Gone are the yellows, oranges, blues and reds of just a few years ago. I'm a fan and do put my money where my mouth is and PXG has really got a good thing going. Room for improvement would be shaft availability and grip choices but then you become a golf warehouse. Keep it lean. Keep it clean. Keep it SEXY! KABOOM BABY! 

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5 hours ago, C_rad said:

To be fair, if i could get them in canada, i would buy them! 

they are re launching here in Canada with reps now pretty much across the country... its actually very exciting times for them as they are growing strong. I can't wait to Kaboom here in Alberta lol. 

New fitting soon when my shoulder heals up

 

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It's been genius marketing.  People won't buy/test a Wilson driver that is 299 because their drivers have always been 299.  But when a brand like PXG launch a 299 driver and their old ones were 699 it suddenly feels like a bargain and like you're getting something special.  

 

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9 minutes ago, Jamie_Tee said:

It's been genius marketing.  People won't buy/test a Wilson driver that is 299 because their drivers have always been 299.  But when a brand like PXG launch a 299 driver and their old ones were 699 it suddenly feels like a bargain and like you're getting something special.  

 

Totally agree. I've never looked at PXG before last September bc of the price. When the Proto driver was available for $350 I went and got fitted and it was the best thing ive ever done golf wise


Since the Proto driver was so successful for me I ended up buying the proto 3w and 2h. Those were great also and cheaper than every other OEM which made it an even better purchase in my eyes. I've since upgraded all wood and hybrid to Gen4 again bc of the price. I didnt buy the Gen4 when it was $600 but once it dropped to $299 I happily took a chance and felt like I was getting something special

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If they're in trouble, there are definitely some ways they could save some money.  For example, they shouldn't waste money on forging their irons 5 times, just forge it right the first time.  Like refried beans, fry them right the first time so you don't have to waste time doing it again.  

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9 hours ago, rugbydave said:

They aren’t trying to. Same reason Ferrari doesn’t compare revenue with Ford. Not that PXG is the Ferrari of golf but still, they aren’t flooding Golf Galaxy with inventory. They seem to be sticking to their niche. 

 

Ferrari is a marketing company that makes cars...  They make WAY more money off selling little trinkets, t-shirts and anything else they can slap their logo on to people than anything else.  Bad analogy.

 

PXG is also releasing things far more often, thus a glut of inventory that is being dumped now as their market is small.  

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1 hour ago, Jamie_Tee said:

It's been genius marketing.  People won't buy/test a Wilson driver that is 299 because their drivers have always been 299.  But when a brand like PXG launch a 299 driver and their old ones were 699 it suddenly feels like a bargain and like you're getting something special.  

 

Totally agree there. They are creating a perceived value based on a high initial price. Kind of like buying a new BMW. Some people like them new and some people like them at half price with 30,000 miles. Seems so far, PXG seems no better or worse than other OEMs in performance testing so not sure how long that pricing trick will work as the new is quickly wearing off and their marketing is wearing thin. I had put a set in my cart until I saw the $60 shipping. I then purchased a set off the BST here for less money for upgraded grips and shafts that had been played about 5 rounds. They were very much like the TM 790s to me. Mush feeling and built for distance. Play it again said they are the only sets of irons not selling and wouldn't offer over 300 for a 4-PW set. At least when people come to my house they will think I'm a baller with a set of PXG on the bench.

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17 hours ago, rugbydave said:

Temporary pricing.  Just goes to show how much mark-up there is on golf clubs.  To be fair, the quality continues to increase.  I personally thought Gen1 woods and putters were garbage.  It has continually gotten better.  PXG has been good for golf.

Yeah their stuff is getting better. Their 2019 0211 irons were their best iron ever (their forged head + foam is just way too mushy feeling. Foam + thin casting is better. plus those irons don't have the weird Frankenstein bolts looks). Their newer drivers are legitimately hot too. Just have to wonder if the heavily discounted pricing dilutes the high end brand image. 

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7 hours ago, cliffhanger said:

they are re launching here in Canada with reps now pretty much across the country... its actually very exciting times for them as they are growing strong. I can't wait to Kaboom here in Alberta lol. 

 

If i could get PXG in Canada i'd probably give them a shot on irons at some point. I'm in Quebec though and that is borderline not Canada lol. So we'll see if they come here

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13 hours ago, bopper53 said:

New Ping, not hardly !

 

I have tried a lot of their stuff on the range,  it is nothing special for the initial price.

 

Kind of funny that Howell III and Horschel got fed up with their stuff rather quickly.

 

The 0811X driver can't touch my G425 or my Titleist TSI2

 

Why would you buy a PXG iron when you could get a Mizuno or Ping Blueprint ?

 

All testosterone marketing.

 

Horschel left because his buddy who was there left on bad terms with PXG.

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I’m a heavy  PING dude

 

That said I hit the gen4 ST irons and they felt FAR better than my blueprints.  Amazing irons with SF shafts

 

Will get a set when the costs come down in 6 months

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