Help to shallow easier and stay in posture

[GCK16]

Hi,

 

This is my first time posting on this site, so I hope I am doing it correctly. I’m hoping to get some advice on my swing. I want to get to where I can hit a stock draw. My miss is a weak fade that occasionally is a bigger slice. In order to swing from the inside I feel like I really have to try hard. Also, on video I think I come out of my posture. I’d love any advice on how to improve.

 

p.s. I probably look ridiculous swinging in the middle of my apartment, but whatever it takes to improve! 
 

Swing Video

 

Front On

Edited August 31, 2021 by GCK16

[BrianMcG]

Two main issues

 

1. You won’t be able to shallow the club as your backswing is too shallow to start with. This will just cause you to be steep on the way down. 
 

2.  You over rotate. There’s no need to rotate back as much as you do. 
 

Fixing flat to steep:

 

Proper sequencing

 

[Scottbox]

Your rotation is fine. Your club's handle pushes away from you and the club rolls open, which is going to make the shaft flat and behind you too much. From there you'll have no room whatsoever to swing any other way than steep if you want make contact with the ball. Check it out:

 

Takeaway

 

In your case, you bring it back down steep.

Edited August 31, 2021 by Scottbox

[GCK16]

Thank you both! I’m going to work on this and I’ll post an updated video once I’ve been able to ingrain the change.

[GCK16]

Went to the range tonight and took some videos. Using the exaggerated feel from the first video linked by @BrianMcG it looks like my backswing is more on plane now. I’m still coming very steep on the way down. Is this just not exaggerating the feeling of getting the butt of the club outside the ball enough, or is there some other flaw leading to this?

 

Contact was solid and balls were going very straight, but based on my downswing I think I must have just been really in sync.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/WVDnUmDEP6Q?feature=share

Edited September 2, 2021 by GCK16

[GCK16]

Based on @BrianMcG saying that I over-turn, I noticed on video that my hips get really far open compared to a pro in my backswing. Today I tried to keep my hips more quiet and keep my hands inside the club in the backswing. Sorry the camera is a little close to me. Am I making improvement? I still am cutting across it, but I am hitting it solid.

 

New Video

 

Thanks to anyone that helps! 

[BrianMcG]

Still turning way too much. 
 

Take what “feels” like to you about a 3/4 swing. I bet that will get you to just a full backswing. 

[GCK16]

Thanks for the feedback! In your opinion is over swinging my main problem? If I can get myself to turn less is everything else in pretty good shape? A couple months ago I was hitting draws pretty easily, so I don’t understand how I regressed.

 

Thanks!

[Valtiel]

2 minutes ago, GCK16 said:

Thanks for the feedback! In your opinion is over swinging my main problem? If I can get myself to turn less is everything else in pretty good shape? A couple months ago I was hitting draws pretty easily, so I don’t understand how I regressed.

 

Thanks!

Assuming no obvious change, regression normally happens in these instances because you're walking a tightrope all the time and all it takes is a tiny change to send you tumbling. I kind of mean that literally too:

 

If I was standing face on in front of you and stopped you in this position by just simply reaching out and grabbing the clubhead at the top of your swing, I could push you over with minimal effort. This isn't a balanced or "loaded" position at the top, this is almost a literal tightrope, You might feel like you're braced into your back leg a bit, but I guarantee this position is not stable. The problem comes when you try to apply power from an unstable position. Everything moves/shifts to find stability in response, and for a vast majority of people that involves a breakdown of their posture into something that can balance under these circumstances. Let's look at someone like Rahm for example:



If I could reach out and stop his swing here, i'd need to roundhouse kick him in the stomach to have a chance at knocking him off balance, and even then I might hurt my foot more than i'd move him. Partially because he is a really big dude, but also because he is completely locked and stable at the top of his swing. This allows you to stay locked in your posture on the way down without having to compensate by moving/shifting anything. 

The idea here is checking on your whole body stability at the top of your swing and ONLY swinging/rotating as far as you can while maintaining that stability. If you stop at the top of your backswing and you need to recenter yourself or "catch your balance" so to speak, then you're likely going too far in one direction or another. You don't have to have a super compact motion like Rahm to do this, but at the same time you can't have your head turning 45* to your right and your right shoulder getting so far behind you while expecting to maintain any kind of posture on the way down. 

Also as a side note, and maybe this is just because of the mat you're standing on, but your stance is also far too narrow for this length of swing as well. Less of an issue as your swing gets shorter, but still something to consider as that narrow stance is also enabling you to rotate way too much. 

[Nard_S]

Shoulder tilt or lack of it is 70% issue. 
You go flat to horizon and off plane with spine. Fix that and over turn resolves a bunch.

Left shoulder down under chin, use left tilt to maintain angle, exact opposite on down swing.

Left tilt morphs to right tilt, get trail under head, go right tilt.

[LegendJeff]

In your updated range video you do a good job of keeping the clubhead outside the hands on the way back and consequently taking it back on plane. 

The only thing I see that might help is to feel like you're taking a half or 3/4 backswing, at least with the irons, to get better contact and consistency. 

 

Like BrianMcG said, it may feel like a short backswing, but once you see the video you'll see its more like a full swing. Only a driver should be all the way back parallel with the ground. 

 

I am hitting the ball best when I feel like I am taking short backswing and slow and patient transition at the top. Otherwise, I tend to loose clubface control. These concepts might help you too. 

[straightshot7]

Yeah your upper body probably rotates too far on the backswing. But I think the bigger problem is your sequencing and lack of opening on the downswing.

 

Notice the difference between you and DJ in the second row. He makes a huge move opening his lower body and maintains/increases hip depth. Meaning look how far left his left hip is at impact.

 

Look how your left hip does not pull left at all. Your hips are like square at impact.

 

You have what looks like classic early extension and loss of hip depth.

 

I think you should try to pull your left hip back on the downswing.

Currently your upper body is dominating the downswing and your lower body is stationary. It should be the other way around. You should be opening your lower body and your hands/arms should be last thing to come through. 

 

Try to keep the butt end of your grip pointed at the target. You can think of it as your hands just being passive/not doing anything at the top of your backswing, while you focus on pulling your left hip back. 

 

You should begin to naturally hit more from the inside if you do this. Your slice will go away when you no longer early extend/come over the top with your arms. 

 

Think of it as if your left hip socket is connected to the butt end of your grip - - - at the top of the backswing, the butt end of the grip cannot go unless the hip moves.

 

The left hip pulls the grip down.

 

As opposed to what you are doing now which is just the grip/club moving down with your left hip doing nothing (not opening/not pulling back the way it should). 

 

There are a lot of great videos about this on youtube:

 

 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by straightshot7