Monahan Threatening to Crack down on Fan Behavior

[ShowMe]

6 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

They need to hire security like this... 

 

"Did he shoot a double bogey (6 shots) or only a bogey (5 shots) on that Par 4?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a . 44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?

[Ghostwedge]

Clint (standing at the bar )

" just when I get to liking someone, they ain't around very long "

Bartender ( handing Clint his drink )

" I noticed when you get to disliking someone, they ain't around very long either "

....  my kind of security guy.

[Ferguson]

7 hours ago, ShowMe said:

"Did he shoot a double bogey (6 shots) or only a bogey (5 shots) on that Par 4?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a . 44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?

Wrong movie and wrong scene.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Listen, punk. To me, you're nothing but dog $hit, you understand?
And a lot of things can happen to dog $hit.
It can be scraped up with a shovel off the ground.
It can dry up and blow away in the wind, or it can be stepped on and squashed.
So take my advice: Be careful where the dog $hits you.

[ShowMe]

11 hours ago, Ferguson said:

Wrong movie and wrong scene.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Listen, punk. To me, you're nothing but dog $hit, you understand?
And a lot of things can happen to dog $hit.
It can be scraped up with a shovel off the ground.
It can dry up and blow away in the wind, or it can be stepped on and squashed.
So take my advice: Be careful where the dog $hits you.

Yes, I know.  I used artistic license to weave in a golf joke.

[stingerfade]

It did seem there were less baby boooeys and get in the holes nonsense?

[Golfnuck]

On 9/4/2021 at 12:50 PM, Fairway14 said:

The number of spectators attending a Tour event is in the tens of thousands. Of that group less than a dozen people are inclined to yell inappropriate names or comments.  In each pairing on every hole are players, caddies, volunteer spotters, scorekeepers etc... and any one of them can alert security about a misbehaving spectator.  Security can escort the offender off the property. Problem solved.

 

As stated previously the real test will be Hole 16 at the Phoenix Open.

 

The tour created this "grandstand hole" so I guess the tour has already figured out how to control that crowd when security tries to throw out the first drunken fan to yell "Brooksie".

 

I really wonder if Monahan has a plan ............

 

Does the tour have the balls to shut down the grandstand in the name of cracking down on fan behavior?

Edited September 8, 2021 by Golfnuck

[BlackDiamondPar5]

22 minutes ago, Golfnuck said:

 

As stated previously the real test will be Hole 16 at the Phoenix Open.

 

The tour created this "grandstand hole" so I guess the tour has already figured out how to control that crowd when security tries to throw out the first drunken fan to yell "Brooksie".

 

I really wonder if Monahan has a plan ............

 

Does the tour have the balls to shut down the grandstand in the name of cracking down on fan behavior?

I don't believe for a second that the grandstand is the target. The target is mostly everywhere else. 

[Golfnuck]

25 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

I don't believe for a second that the grandstand is the target. The target is mostly everywhere else. 

 

So either 16,000 drunken fans will read the fan behavior notes on their tickets and abide by them or Brooksie will echo throughout the grandstands and nothing will be done by security.

 

And if the latter happens none of the press on hand will question Monahan about this.

Edited September 8, 2021 by Golfnuck

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Just now, Golfnuck said:

 

So either 16,000 drunken fans will read the fan behavior notes on their tickets and abide by them or Brooksie will echo throughout the grandstands and nothing will be done by security.

 

And if the former happens none of the press on hand will question Monahan about this.

You're making this just about 1 person and one chant and 1 hole. The scope is exponentially larger to address a problem that has been manifesting for well over a decade and has spiked since the animals were released from their cages this year.  Perhaps the brooksie thing might have been the final catalyst but it in no way it stops there.   100's of thousands of people attend a given tournament and don't cause problems so addressing the 30 or 40 fools will serve notice.   

 

Monahan's words exactly and no mention of brooksie or bryson...

Monahan stated that disruptive or harassing behavior by patrons would no longer by tolerated and could result in immediate expulsion from the property.

“By coming to a PGA Tour event, you’re expected to contribute to a welcoming and safe environment by refraining from and reporting any unsafe, disruptive or harassing behavior. Comments or gestures that undermine the inclusive and welcoming nature of the game will not be tolerated, nor will any harassment of players, caddies, volunteers, officials, staff or other spectators,” Monahan said at the start of the press conference.

[oikos1]

The authoritarianism woven throughout this thread is a bit frightening.  

 

Not everyone who yells is a criminal and not everyone who drinks alcohol is a bane to society.  An enlightened culture that supports individual freedoms deals with those who make poor choices in appropriate ways and allows the rest of us to move along in our lives.  Most of you should know what the alternative is...

[miamistomp]

 There is freedom and those who cloak it in free-dumb and it is getting worse

 The enlightenment is getting dimmer every year when the freedoms defend the free -dumbs

[Golfnuck]

35 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

You're making this just about 1 person and one chant and 1 hole. The scope is exponentially larger to address a problem that has been manifesting for well over a decade and has spiked since the animals were released from their cages this year.  Perhaps the brooksie thing might have been the final catalyst but it in no way it stops there.   100's of thousands of people attend a given tournament and don't cause problems so addressing the 30 or 40 fools will serve notice.   

 

Monahan's words exactly and no mention of brooksie or bryson...

Monahan stated that disruptive or harassing behavior by patrons would no longer by tolerated and could result in immediate expulsion from the property.

“By coming to a PGA Tour event, you’re expected to contribute to a welcoming and safe environment by refraining from and reporting any unsafe, disruptive or harassing behavior. Comments or gestures that undermine the inclusive and welcoming nature of the game will not be tolerated, nor will any harassment of players, caddies, volunteers, officials, staff or other spectators,” Monahan said at the start of the press conference.

 

"You're making this just about 1 person and one chant and 1 hole."

 

I am actually not making any commentary about this nor am I commenting on whether or not I support the crack down.

 

I am merely pointing out (as others have already) an event whereby the PGA may have an issue consistently enforcing this policy.

 

[bscinstnct]

13 minutes ago, oikos1 said:

The authoritarianism woven throughout this thread is a bit frightening.  

 

Not everyone who yells is a criminal and not everyone who drinks alcohol is a bane to society.  An enlightened culture that supports individual freedoms deals with those who make poor choices in appropriate ways and allows the rest of us to move along in our lives.  Most of you should know what the alternative is...

Nobody saying to throw them in jail. 
 

Just beat them a little. 

 

🤣

 

oikos! I just kidding ; ) It’s just these people are being a nuisance. We can disagree about yelling “bababooey”. Although I fail to see how and “enlightened culture” would appreciate drunks screaming to get themselves attention. 
 

But do you agree that no fan has the right to harass a golf pro at work? 

[miamistomp]

 Monahan be like Walken

 

 

 

[ShowMe]

2 hours ago, oikos1 said:

The authoritarianism woven throughout this thread is a bit frightening.  

 

Not everyone who yells is a criminal and not everyone who drinks alcohol is a bane to society.  An enlightened culture that supports individual freedoms deals with those who make poor choices in appropriate ways and allows the rest of us to move along in our lives.  Most of you should know what the alternative is...

Sorry, but nobody has the "individual freedom" to get drunk and start yelling at a golf tournament without repercussions.  If you want to drink and yell, then stay home.  You are "free" to do whatever you want (as long as it's legal) within the confines of your own home.  Your freedoms are not allowed to impinge upon my freedoms, in this case my freedom to not be disturbed by some drunk moron at a golf tournament.

[Hankshank]

Always wondered what kind of neanderthals that goes shouting all those things in the US tournaments. Hardly people playing golf themselves. Golfers learn some manners to be observed when on a golf course. 

[OrangeGravy]

On 9/1/2021 at 6:25 AM, Tumbleweed_1968 said:

Remove the mics from the tee boxes. Do we need to hear the decision making process between caddy & player, and hear the tink of the driver or even see every drive?

This is what makes it "cool" to the idiots yelling stupid stuff. If you didn't hear it on the telecast, it would go away. The networks are mostly responsible for the escalation in my view. I'd have no problem with the mics going away on the tees or maybe filter out the nonsense if technologically possible? 

[Fairway14]

9 hours ago, Hankshank said:

Always wondered what kind of neanderthals that goes shouting all those things in the US tournaments. Hardly people playing golf themselves. Golfers learn some manners to be observed when on a golf course. 

 

It's only a few people at most. Easy to expel them from the course.

[oikos1]

14 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

Nobody saying to throw them in jail. 
 

Just beat them a little. 

 

🤣

 

oikos! I just kidding ; ) It’s just these people are being a nuisance. We can disagree about yelling “bababooey”. Although I fail to see how and “enlightened culture” would appreciate drunks screaming to get themselves attention. 
 

But do you agree that no fan has the right to harass a golf pro at work? 

I don't think fans should harass a golf pro at work and I wouldn't make that choice.  I want to watch good golf.  I also realize pros getting harassed has been going on since most likely the first pro tournament so it's not anything new.  

 

I'm just responding to the knee jerk responses of the "ban everything that ruins my experience crowd".  The more we ask the "authorities" to make decisions for us, the less freedoms we have.  That's why I mentioned dealing with those who make poor choices in appropriate ways (we all know of other cultures that may view "appropriate" differently).  Hopefully the Tour can manage appropriate consequences within the events they sponsor.

 

 

[oikos1]

12 hours ago, ShowMe said:

Sorry, but nobody has the "individual freedom" to get drunk and start yelling at a golf tournament without repercussions.  If you want to drink and yell, then stay home.  You are "free" to do whatever you want (as long as it's legal) within the confines of your own home.  Your freedoms are not allowed to impinge upon my freedoms, in this case my freedom to not be disturbed by some drunk moron at a golf tournament.

I wasn't aware that drinking and yelling, in and of itself, was illegal.  If it were to cross the line and become disorderly conduct, which the definition varies from state to state, then I would expect the authorities to administer the appropriate response.  Since many of the Tour events take place on private property, I'm sure there are legal issues there as well in terms of what action can be taken.  However, I'm all for removing excessively drunk individuals from any public gathering who are overly disruptive, exhibit inappropriate/vulgar behavior or act violently.   They made a poor choice, doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to keep sipping on an ice cold beer while I watch golf (and watch them getting taken away 😁).

[TiScape]

3 hours ago, oikos1 said:

I wasn't aware that drinking and yelling, in and of itself, was illegal.  If it were to cross the line and become disorderly conduct, which the definition varies from state to state, then I would expect the authorities to administer the appropriate response.  Since many of the Tour events take place on private property, I'm sure there are legal issues there as well in terms of what action can be taken.  However, I'm all for removing excessively drunk individuals from any public gathering who are overly disruptive, exhibit inappropriate/vulgar behavior or act violently.   They made a poor choice, doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to keep sipping on an ice cold beer while I watch golf (and watch them getting taken away 😁).

Well said Oikos. And come on man! “Freedom to not be disturbed” is our inalienable right as entitled golf patrons! 😂 Hopefully nobody gets me wrong. I’m just as much against the ridiculous “mashed potato” and yelling at tournaments as the next guy. But to feel somehow it’s your freedom or right to not have to be subjected to it is also pretty ridiculous. If it gets excessive security will hopefully handle it. 

Edited September 8, 2021 by TiScape

[Soloman1]

All events have a culture. Team events with action in large stadiums is different than other events. Do you have the right and freedom to yell and disrupt others in the audience and the performer in the middle of a music recital, an orchestra or a play? If you're next to this person or persons, or the performer, what would you think?

 

The parents and grandparents of these yahoos must be so proud. Can you imagine?

 

"Hey grandma, watch this! This is me in the video!"

 

I don't think there is an inexhaustible supply of reinforcements to rush in when a few jerks are escorted out every week. Eventually you're going to run out of idiots.

 

Some golf tournaments may only have about 12 people left as spectators, but hey, they'll be a polite dozen.

[TiScape]

If a recital takes place on private property, the venue/owner has the right to enforce any rules they see fit. My point was an individual doesn’t have an inalienable right or freedom to simply “not be disturbed”. But yes, I agree Soloman1. Simple common courtesy and respect for others should go beyond ones rights as stipulated by the law. 

[dlygrisse]

I honestly don't like going to live sporting events much any longer.  Why?  mostly because of other people.  I certainly don't like spending money to go to them, if I am offered free tickets to a NFL game or MLB game I will often attend, but not always.  I haven't been to a PGA tour event in years, mostly because the only thing we have in my vicinity is Korn Ferry type of stuff, I did turn those down.  I'd go to a major, but I'd rather watch on TV.  

[ShowMe]

8 hours ago, TiScape said:

Well said Oikos. And come on man! “Freedom to not be disturbed” is our inalienable right as entitled golf patrons! 😂 Hopefully nobody gets me wrong. I’m just as much against the ridiculous “mashed potato” and yelling at tournaments as the next guy. But to feel somehow it’s your freedom or right to not have to be subjected to it is also pretty ridiculous. If it gets excessive security will hopefully handle it. 

I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek.  

[ShowMe]

11 hours ago, oikos1 said:

I wasn't aware that drinking and yelling, in and of itself, was illegal.  If it were to cross the line and become disorderly conduct, which the definition varies from state to state, then I would expect the authorities to administer the appropriate response.  Since many of the Tour events take place on private property, I'm sure there are legal issues there as well in terms of what action can be taken.  However, I'm all for removing excessively drunk individuals from any public gathering who are overly disruptive, exhibit inappropriate/vulgar behavior or act violently.   They made a poor choice, doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to keep sipping on an ice cold beer while I watch golf (and watch them getting taken away 😁).

Drink away.  Just don't yell "MASHED POTATOES!" right in my ear.  That's conduct unbecoming for a golf event.  Plus it's likely to get a reflexive elbow-to-the-gut reaction, which is also conduct unbecoming, but reflexes are difficult to stop.

[TiScape]

6 hours ago, dlygrisse said:

I honestly don't like going to live sporting events much any longer.  Why?  mostly because of other people.  I certainly don't like spending money to go to them, if I am offered free tickets to a NFL game or MLB game I will often attend, but not always.  I haven't been to a PGA tour event in years, mostly because the only thing we have in my vicinity is Korn Ferry type of stuff, I did turn those down.  I'd go to a major, but I'd rather watch on TV.  

Curious. What are your local MLB and NFL teams? Do the  crowds at both get pretty rowdy?

[Fairway14]

12 hours ago, oikos1 said:

I wasn't aware that drinking and yelling, in and of itself, was illegal.  If it were to cross the line and become disorderly conduct, which the definition varies from state to state, then I would expect the authorities to administer the appropriate response.  Since many of the Tour events take place on private property, I'm sure there are legal issues there as well in terms of what action can be taken.  However, I'm all for removing excessively drunk individuals from any public gathering who are overly disruptive, exhibit inappropriate/vulgar behavior or act violently.   They made a poor choice, doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to keep sipping on an ice cold beer while I watch golf (and watch them getting taken away 😁).

 

I've been a spectator at approximately 25 Tour events and can't recall ever seeing anyone "drunk" (except the late great actor Jack Lemon a few hours after he had finished his round at the old Bing Crosby Pro Am tournament). My point is that the one or two fools yelling at players are not drunk, they are just fools trying to get some attention.

 

[Shilgy]

9 hours ago, Fairway14 said:

 

I've been a spectator at approximately 25 Tour events and can't recall ever seeing anyone "drunk" (except the late great actor Jack Lemon a few hours after he had finished his round at the old Bing Crosby Pro Am tournament). My point is that the one or two fools yelling at players are not drunk, they are just fools trying to get some attention.

 

Come to Phoenix to see what you’ve missed.

[GLF4EVR]

Have been to many college football games & one NFL game.  That is the extent of experience with large sporting events.  Have watched golf on TV since the late 1960's, so I am officially a "get off my lawn" guy.  Long ago there would be an occasional outburst from a fan, but they quickly found out that was not the proper thing to do.  When the popularity of Tiger really started to take off is IMHO when the loud, obnoxious outbursts started to take off.  Most of us on this site realize the need for silence before taking a shot.  I really have to wonder if most of these loudmouths recognize it.  I think they just view it as a basic sporting event where loud & obnoxious is welcomed.  Have wondered for quite awhile if they have the thing being recorded at home so they can play it their buddies.  Or at least brag to a girlfriend that they have been on national TV. 

 

No idea what a PGA event ticket even looks like, but a good start might be to have a warning on the ticket that a certain decorum is required at the event.  You will get 2 warnings with the 3rd time being an expulsion from the event.  If the infraction is judged to be very serious, a possible lifetime ban from all PGA events may be enforced.  Then actually start backing up the talk with action.  This is where I would love to use @bscinstnct4 man teams.  Have a warning & have some real teeth to back it up.  Bet most of the patrons at the events would really applaud it.  Alcohol is too much of a money maker to go away.  Granted, if may be fueling some of this behavior.  However, enforcement of decorum rules I think would be the best way to Barney Fife it..."nip it in the bud....nip it, nip it, nip it!".