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1 minute ago, BCC1898 said:

Please go away or start your own thread about the subject you’re discussing. I’m sure participation will be through the roof. 🙄👋

Or better yet.  If they're just going to insist on arguing, do it in private messages.  

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2 hours ago, radiman said:

Or better yet.  If they're just going to insist on arguing, do it in private messages.  

Please let me summarize.  We have 14 pages of posts and here is what I see.

 

1.  A large number of people want the new driver head to be all black with a TP badge.  I assume this is going to make the club significantly longer and straighter.  This is for all of the plus handicappers on GOLFWRX.

 

2.  The new driver is going to have a composite face.  This is actually good information.

 

3.  There most likely is going to be a significant price increase for the 2022 models.  This is now a taboo subject and upsets a number of people on this forum.

 

Have I missed anything?  If not, we don't really have much more to discuss until more concrete information is released.  If this is correct, I am going to logoff until mid December.

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1 minute ago, Gorham1 said:

Please let me summarize.  We have 14 pages of posts and here is what I see.

 

1.  A large number of people want the new driver head to be all black with a TP badge.  I assume this is going to make the club significantly longer and straighter.  This is for all of the plus handicappers on GOLFWRX.

 

2.  The new driver is going to have a composite face.  This is actually good information.

 

3.  There most likely is going to be a significant price increase for the 2022 models.  This is now a taboo subject and upsets a number of people on this forum.

 

Have I missed anything?  If not, we don't really have much more to discuss until more concrete information is released.  If this is correct, I am going to logoff until mid December.

Sure, that's all fine and good.  My point being, if you the two of you want to bicker about who or who isn't qualified to make observations.  Or the use of a word.  Do it in private messenger.  

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On 11/4/2021 at 4:12 AM, grm24 said:

 

Here is a great article from 1996 from the si.com vault on new fangled titanium drivers. Most people won't actually bother to read any of it since most people adults included today have the attention span of an eye blink. Even that might be overstating it. This article really should be read by many here. I won't hold my breath that anybody here actually takes the time to read it. Lots of good information in it. Shame the TL;DR crowd will ignore it. 🤣🤣🤣

 

https://vault.si.com/vault/1996/02/12/titanium-drivers-made-of-this-space-age-metal-may-be-more-accurate-and-longer-theyre-surely-costlier

 

A RAM driver available for $1,000.00 dollars. Wait what????? RAM at one time was a very respected OEM.

 

This barrier (sound) however, was broken quietly, indoors and without warning, when Ram Golf president Jim Hansberger--wearing a coat and tie instead of the traditional fireproof jumpsuit--introduced the Ram FX Ti-Forged oversize titanium driver. Suggested retail price: $1,000. Doh!

 

Think 46" driver lengths are a recent thing? Nope.

 

Over at Mizuno, on the other hand, engineers have joined an oversize titanium head to a daunting, 46-inch shaft and are pushing the proposition that titanium adds yards. "We're in the distance business," explains Mizuno club designer and PGA Tour player Harry Taylor. "If you want accuracy, take a short shaft and pop it down the fairway."

 

Here are some iron and driver prices from 1996. Enjoy.

 

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The most prescient point from the end of the article is from Pings John Solheim. It so holds true today but it's lost on most golfers here and elsewhere. Let's leave him with the last word.

 

As Ping's John Solheim says, "The biggest technical innovation is to get a better golf swing."

 

Preach it.

 

Thank you for this.  I bookmarked the SI article and will read it later when I have time.  I'm an equipment (and tech side of the equipment) aficionado.  I love reading stuff like this. 

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9 hours ago, Gorham1 said:

Give me your email address and I will gladly address your statements.  I have never attacked you.  You questioned my qualifications yet have never given us yours.  I am now retired so I can take on this project.  I am sure you will get the last word in.

 

 

Please take it to PM and stay out of this thread. Thanks!  

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2 hours ago, Gorham1 said:

Please let me summarize.  We have 14 pages of posts and here is what I see.

 

1.  A large number of people want the new driver head to be all black with a TP badge.  I assume this is going to make the club significantly longer and straighter.  This is for all of the plus handicappers on GOLFWRX.

 

2.  The new driver is going to have a composite face.  This is actually good information.w dri

 

3.  There most likely is going to be a significant price increase for the 2022 models.  This is now a taboo subject and upsets a number of people on this forum.

 

Have I missed anything?  If not, we don't really have much more to discuss until more concrete information is released.  If this is correct, I am going to logoff until mid December.

 

I'm sure TM have done this before, in their JDM Gloire line a few years back. Needs a re-hash for 2022!

 

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5 minutes ago, ian-500 said:

 

I'm sure TM have done this before, in their JDM Gloire line a few years back. Needs a re-hash for 2022!

The Gloire had a composite face?  Interesting.  Didn't know that.  

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5 hours ago, TheMoneyShot said:

TM had their sales meetings this week correct?  Hopefully we will start to hear or maybe get a glimpse of the product soon??

Yes, they did.  Or perhaps it was last week, I lost track of when they were out there.

 

But don't expect any "leaks" until into December, and that may be even early depending on how strict/brave the reps are with the stuff. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

Yes, they did.  Or perhaps it was last week, I lost track of when they were out there.

 

But don't expect any "leaks" until into December, and that may be even early depending on how strict/brave the reps are with the stuff. 

 

Yeah, it’s probably going to be awhile before we get the juicy details unfortunately.  I guess it gives us all something to look forward to though👍

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Drew Brees spoke at the TM sales meeting. Maybe we get our first glance at the 2022 lineup on Football Night in America. 

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6 hours ago, Villn said:

This is coming from a guy who plays with TM employees every Saturday.

 

'STHL' is the only clue

 

Do with this information what you will.

 

Cheers

 

Welcome to GolfWRX!

And your massive contribution to this Thread.

 

But I am really more interested in what the PXG Gen 5 Drivers will offer.

 

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1 hour ago, ginrin said:

Actually it seems to be a shortened version of Stealth

Thanks, but most here figured that, it isn't our first rodeo 🙂   We were wanting more info than what was obvious.   I mean I could tell you the name of a yet to be released putter from a company, but don't have all the other info everyone would want, so why bother. 

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No proof. But, my mind immediately assumes he’s referring to the new TM driver. The only completely different design we’ve heard of yet (assuming it’s a composite face). This is what I would describe as a pretty major advancement. 
 

http://twitter.com/jonathanrwall/status/1457045775490457600?s=21

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4 hours ago, ginrin said:

Actually it seems to be a shortened version of Stealth

 

3 hours ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

Thanks, but most here figured that, it isn't our first rodeo 🙂   We were wanting more info than what was obvious.   I mean I could tell you the name of a yet to be released putter from a company, but don't have all the other info everyone would want, so why bother. 

Except the H and L are not in the right order for STEALTH. 

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5 minutes ago, radiman said:

No proof. But, my mind immediately assumes he’s referring to the new TM driver. The only completely different design we’ve heard of yet (assuming it’s a composite face). This is what I would describe as a pretty major advancement. 
 

http://twitter.com/jonathanrwall/status/1457045775490457600?s=21

Very interesting teaser post. My mind went to Callaway thinking another tweak to the JailBreak Frame could yield this kind of result. 

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5 hours ago, noodle3872 said:

 

Except the H and L are not in the right order for STEALTH. 

Well MAVRIK wasn’t exactly how most of us spell it either 😬

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27 minutes ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

Well MAVRIK wasn’t exactly how most of us spell it either 😬

Mavrik is a bastardized way to spell Maverick however it’s pronounced the same. Stealth spelled Steahtl isn’t pronounced Stealth now is it? Maybe it’ll STLH will be pronounced steel like Red is suggesting.

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On 11/5/2021 at 3:57 PM, radiman said:

The Gloire had a composite face?  Interesting.  Didn't know that.  

The 2014/2015 version did. The more recent M series Gloire and current SIM Gloire driver (released in 2020) have titanium faces.

 

http://blog.tourspecgolf.com/taylormade-royal-gloire-driver-for-japan/

 

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/M-Gloire-Driver/DW-KY150-1.html?lang=default

 

https://www.tourspecgolf.com/taylormade-sim-gloire-driver.html

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