Anyone Have An Idea of What TM’s Driver Plans Are for 2022?

[Tycall]

8 hours ago, getitdaily said:

Right on. Moveable weight in it?

 

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[Tycall]

17 hours ago, getitdaily said:

Is the face red, like others have postulated? 

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[getitdaily]

3 minutes ago, Tycall said:

yes if you look at the bottom of the driver on the heel side of the sim og there is many small black ovals the red is in slightly larger black ovals all across the face, the driver basically looks like a big piece of carbon fiber with a red face and a small weight track slit also the wieght track looks like it is just thrown into the carbon fiber.. no metal on this driver. Probably gonna cost a fortune.

Interesting. I wonder where they put metal to get the weight up...or is there metal fused into the carbon...hmm.

 

Where is the weight track positioned...rear heel to toe, face heel to toe (like sim) or neither?

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[DreamingOfGolf]

What’s the color combo on top of the crown?

 

[getitdaily]

Little Google search on steel infused carbon fiber...

 

Look at what Mitsubishi did for victory archery...I bet that's what this driver is.

 

Steel

Thermoset 

Hybrid

Laminate

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[Tycall]

7 hours ago, getitdaily said:

Interesting. I wonder where they put metal to get the weight up...or is there metal fused into the carbon...hmm.

 

Where is the weight track positioned...rear heel to toe, face heel to toe (like sim) or neither?

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by Tycall

[Tycall]

30 minutes ago, DreamingOfGolf said:

What’s the color combo on top of the crown?

 

looks like some pretty intense carbon fiber… all black/carbon no white from what i could see

[DreamingOfGolf]

1 hour ago, Tycall said:

looks like some pretty intense carbon fiber… all black/carbon no white from what i could see

Nice. I wonder what the story with the fairway woods will be this year! This release is probably amongst one of the most interesting from TM in a while in terms of "innovation."

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[Lemonde]

Wondering of the carbon crown slopes down to meet the face like the past many generations of TM drivers? 

[Bdck]

Composite is the future because it allows you to specifically engineer whatever you want.  The challenge is entirely in manufacturing and making it cost effective.  Not a TM guy but super excited to see this evolution of golf tech.

 

The potential here is a golf club that produces identical and maximum allowed energy transfer across the face and additional CG AND MOI control.

 

This is the future, the question is really if TM has it figured out in gen 1.  If it's a success, gen 2 should be absolutely ridiculous.

[4TheKing614]

30 minutes ago, Bdck said:

Composite is the future because it allows you to specifically engineer whatever you want.  The challenge is entirely in manufacturing and making it cost effective.  Not a TM guy but super excited to see this evolution of golf tech.

 

The potential here is a golf club that produces identical and maximum allowed energy transfer across the face and additional CG AND MOI control.

 

This is the future, the question is really if TM has it figured out in gen 1.  If it's a success, gen 2 should be absolutely ridiculous.

Great insight. What about guys like me who are concerned about durability?

[getitdaily]

15 minutes ago, 4TheKing614 said:

Great insight. What about guys like me who are concerned about durability?

If it's what I think it is then you won't have to worry. 

 

Durability issues for TM are centered around face thickness (or lack thereof) and points where carbon and metal are fused or glued together. If this driver is a mold of carbon layered with steel infused then they probably don't have to make the face super thin. They could also have fewer individual parts glued together.

 

This is all conjecture. Idk what they've done. But if the head is all carbon in looks and the face is carbon then they have to have metal somewhere to get total weight up. And that has to mean carbon infused with metal. Makes sense for the name too...sthl because the carbon is infused with steel but all you see is carbon.  

 

Look at aerospace carbon composites for ideas. Or look at victory archery and what Mitsubishi engineered for them...

[Bdck]

47 minutes ago, 4TheKing614 said:

Great insight. What about guys like me who are concerned about durability?

Fair concern, we do know that composites outperform alloys in tons of strength tests.  The potential is there.  Cost is going to be a massive limiting factor.  A $25k driver that gives you an extra 5mph ball speed on mishits won't sell enough to pay for r&d or manufacturing.

[JourdanM]

28 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

If it's what I think it is then you won't have to worry. 

 

Durability issues for TM are centered around face thickness (or lack thereof) and points where carbon and metal are fused or glued together. If this driver is a mold of carbon layered with steel infused then they probably don't have to make the face super thin. They could also have fewer individual parts glued together.

 

This is all conjecture. Idk what they've done. But if the head is all carbon in looks and the face is carbon then they have to have metal somewhere to get total weight up. And that has to mean carbon infused with metal. Makes sense for the name too...sthl because the carbon is infused with steel but all you see is carbon.  

 

Look at aerospace carbon composites for ideas. Or look at victory archery and what Mitsubishi engineered for them...

This is wild 

[getitdaily]

4 minutes ago, JourdanM said:

This is wild 

Again, it's total conjecture but the premise is pretty cool.

 

But it's also still centered around a story and not performance. Cor limits haven't changed. And the idea of infusing steel with carbon simply allows TM to get more weight out of the face and into the sole. What will that mean for launch and spin? What will it mean for moi?

 

This will be this year's  super cool driver. But I don't think we'll see major improvements in any area. Probably greater consistency in spin regardless of strike location and maybe greater consistency in ballspeed across the face (tho both sim lines were really good there). 

 

Moveable weight is back. 

 

This design should allow TM to get the CoG really close to the neutral access. So far, the cobra ltd has been the closest a driver has come. TM could encroach on that here. But I doubt they do it until sthl 3. They have to run small increments of improvement...

 

But, again, if I'm right about the manufacturing process, then TM  has pulled innovation from another industry into golf. 

[JourdanM]

18 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Again, it's total conjecture but the premise is pretty cool.

 

But it's also still centered around a story and not performance. Cor limits haven't changed. And the idea of infusing steel with carbon simply allows TM to get more weight out of the face and into the sole. What will that mean for launch and spin? What will it mean for moi?

 

This will be this year's  super cool driver. But I don't think we'll see major improvements in any area. Probably greater consistency in spin regardless of strike location and maybe greater consistency in ballspeed across the face (tho both sim lines were really good there). 

 

Moveable weight is back. 

 

This design should allow TM to get the CoG really close to the neutral access. So far, the cobra ltd has been the closest a driver has come. TM could encroach on that here. But I doubt they do it until sthl 3. They have to run small increments of improvement...

 

But, again, if I'm right about the manufacturing process, then TM  has pulled innovation from another industry into golf. 

Yeah, and I appreciate the conjecture. It's fascinating. 
 

I've certainly heard rumblings about mega consistent ball speed and spin across the face, so I think you're on to something.

 

not a TM fan, but this tech story could be too impressive not to try. 

[TiScape]

35 minutes ago, Bdck said:

Fair concern, we do know that composites outperform alloys in tons of strength tests.  The potential is there.  Cost is going to be a massive limiting factor. A $25k driver that gives you an extra 5mph ball speed on mishits won't sell enough to pay for r&d or manufacturing.

Only if it’s tour issued! 🤣 

Jokes aside, you are absolutely right. Most already bit#h and moan about the current prices of drivers. 

[blink3665]

OK. This is getting exciting. I just fell down a rabbit hole in regards to steel infused carbon fiber...

[getitdaily]

2 minutes ago, blink3665 said:

OK. This is getting exciting. I just fell down a rabbit hole in regards to steel infused carbon fiber...

Pretty cool stuff, huh. Makes a ton of sense as for what TM may be getting ready to release...

[Bdck]

That's really just the tip of the iceberg too.  Wait until they start using alloys with different properties for different areas of the club and face.  Imagine tungsten in the sole weave, steel in the center of the face, titanium off center and graphene in the crown.

 

It's absolutely the future, but who knows if this will work for TM in 2022.  I have hope!

[getitdaily]

1 minute ago, Bdck said:

That's really just the tip of the iceberg too.  Wait until they start using alloys with different properties for different areas of the club and face.  Imagine tungsten in the sole weave, steel in the center of the face, titanium off center and graphene in the crown.

 

It's absolutely the future, but who knows if this will work for TM in 2022.  I have hope!

Yep!

 

Imo, this driver is more about manufacturing process than driver improvement. The stuff you've mentioned has been done in other industries. Getting that fusion into a driver shape was the key here...machinery, process, etc. It's why they changed the name...this is a new path in design and materials construction. 

[bogey534]

TP stamps coming back?

[Puttersaurus Rex]

Well at least the engineering conversation is better than the economics back and forth!

[getitdaily]

41 minutes ago, bogey534 said:

TP stamps coming back?

Only when you crap yourself because of how far you bombed it...

[mogc60]

Curious how the sound of an all carbon driver will be??  Any carbon faced club I’ve ever hit sounded awful. And sound is important. I would guess sound is a big part of the tech. 

[TheMoneyShot]

48 minutes ago, mogc60 said:

Curious how the sound of an all carbon driver will be??  Any carbon faced club I’ve ever hit sounded awful. And sound is important. I would guess sound is a big part of the tech. 

Im sure TM has this base covered, at least I hope.  I cannot imagine them releasing a new tech/higher priced driver that sounds like sh$&

[Lemonde]

With all this talk sliced bread doesn’t stand a chance! 

[4TheKing614]

1 hour ago, mogc60 said:

Curious how the sound of an all carbon driver will be??  Any carbon faced club I’ve ever hit sounded awful. And sound is important. I would guess sound is a big part of the tech. 

They spend a fortune on making the driver sound. That is part of how they build. It is one of their top priorities 

[mogc60]

1 hour ago, TheMoneyShot said:

Im sure TM has this base covered, at least I hope.  I cannot imagine them releasing a new tech/higher priced driver that sounds like sh$&

I would think they do too but I’m curious what they did to tune the sound. A lot of big companies have released drivers that sound horrible. I just know anything with carbon on the face in the past has sounded awful and corny 

[getitdaily]

19 minutes ago, mogc60 said:

I would think they do too but I’m curious what they did to tune the sound. A lot of big companies have released drivers that sound horrible. I just know anything with carbon on the face in the past has sounded awful and corny 

If my assumptions are correct then it's not an all carbon face. It has steel in it so it'll be fine.