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45”, 6’6”, but more about control for me…

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Driver - Titleist TSi2 10 Degree - Tensei White CK Pro  45"
3 Wood: Titleist TS2 
Irons: 4 - PW Wilson FG62 S300 +1"
Hybrids: Titleist TSi2 17 and 23 degree…..Shaft Project X 90 Hyb +1"
PW: Vokey 8M 46,52 (both F grind),60 (M grind) degree. SW: Ping I10

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I like 44.75 or 45. But it's a PITA to get them weighted right unless you order them shorter. The last two drivers (G400 Max and G410 Plus) were among the best I've owned and are stock length. So I haven't had the desire to shorten it.

 

The absolute longest driver I ever had was a 44.5 inch R5. That thing was an absolute bomber. Then I couldn't leave well enough alone and shortened it...then tried to get the SW right and it never was the same again.

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I play mine at 44”. I don’t swing meaningfully faster and strike only gets worse with longer lengths.

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19 hours ago, NoTalentLefty said:

Played most of my drivers at 44.25 and below since the start of the 460 head drivers. Couldn’t hit anything else . But recently went to a Ping G425 Max with a 45.75 inch shaft and it works great. Had to change shaft though to a Project X Evenflow Blue 5.5 shaft for accuracy. 

Just put the same shaft in my g400 max 🤞🏻

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I think that the average length of driver on tour started to increase once the data was circulated that showed the advantage in strokes gained in getting as close to the green as possible - rough be damned.  That said, I am not a pro so use more of the face than they do.  Plus, misses with the driver on the courses I play are more penal.  Usually an errant shot will end up in the woods immediately adjacent to the rough and the understory has not been removed as it has been on PGA courses.  Plenty of lost balls and unplayables lurking when you miss.

 

When I did fittings, I found Tom Wishon's wrist to floor chart for driver length to be a good starting point.  After much trial and error, I ended up spot on his recommended length (44.5") for me.

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45.75" cause that's standard for the TM M5. It works great for me so no need to change.

 

I previously played the original M1 at 45.5" and that worked for me so figured what's a quarter of an inch? ... I was correct as I just LOVE this driver.

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Cobra King Speedzone 17° / Project X HZRDUS Smoke 70 S
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I got a new 40g shaft and found that choking down to the other end of the grip works for me. 

 

I initially installed the grip upside down, then right side up.  The adjustable hosel on my Epic Flash driver doesn't  require a 360 degree grip.  I can rotate the grip on the club before tightening it down.

 

There is a tiny tactical advantage in that the drop distance is maximized with the stock shaft.  2 club lengths.

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My Taylor Made M5 driver was 45.25” when I purchased it. After a month of uncharacteristically poor driving accuracy, I decided to have 1” chopped off of the butt end. I had the club swing weighted to D6 which improved my feel of the club head. I am driving the ball as long and accurate as I ever have. I am a believer that the shorter club improves center face contact which is paramount.

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I believe that tour length was closer to 44.5 a handful of years ago, but I think it's gone up slightly in the past few years as people saw what Bryson was doing.  The pros can play at whatever length they want because they can find the center of the face with anything.

 

I'm at 43.25 inches, with 74g shaft and 12 grams added to the clubhead.  It's essentially a 3 wood build with a driver head.  It's a little more accurate for me and I don't sacrifice distance on average, even with a 3 mph slower clubhead speed.  If I ever become more skilled with the driver, and that's a big if, maybe I'll look at going back up in length. My angle of attack is slightly negative and I think the shortened length is contributing to that.  But at my short and tight course, carrying in the 250's on good strikes is more than enough and keeping it in play is my biggest concern.

 

 

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Im 5'7" so i play a shorter shaft.  44.5" playing length.  I swing faster and hit ball further with 44.5 rather than stock lengths.  My contact with anything at 45" and over is really bad and i get dispersion issues.  I always thought longer shafts were supposed to increase club head speeds but for some reason im the opposite.  I swing the shorter shafts faster with better contact.

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So interesting to see this , I’m guessing when your all talking length your talking shaft length in some of the shorter cases and playing length in the longer ones I think should have asked you folks to clarify 

 

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2 hours ago, smithy23 said:

So interesting to see this , I’m guessing when your all talking length your talking shaft length in some of the shorter cases and playing length in the longer ones I think should have asked you folks to clarify 

 

I disagree with your assumption. The vast majority of golfers understand that club length is measured by placing the club head flat on the ground and measuring with a 48” ruler along the backside of the club, with the tip of the ruler touching the ground behind the heel of the club measuring to the butt end of the grip. It’s the universally accepted way of measuring the length of any club. In my case, my driver length is 44.25”. 
 

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Playing 46” now after years at 44.5” and I haven’t personally noticed any dispersion issues that aren’t proportional to the increased distance. In other words, my misses are more yards but not more degrees offline. Every time I go longer than 46 I have issues with syncing the timing of the driver and irons while on the course though.

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I'm playing a Ping G30 driver with the 3 wood shaft (TFC 419 shaft) which works out to 43.5" length. With a 75-80 MPH swing speed, I'm never going to be a long knocker, but with this club length I pretty much keep the ball on the sweet spot and maximize my play. When I use the 45 inch shaft I couldn't control the face of the club and never seemed to know whether the ball would go left or right. 

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43.75” driver and 42” 4w,  perfecto!

TM 2016 M2 12*(-2 setting) - OG Grafalloy Blue X, 43.5"

TEE XCG7 16.5* 4w, OG Grafalloy Blue S, 41.75"

Cally Rogue X 18.5* 4i, Diamana 70 S, 39.75"

Cobra King OS 4-G, TT XP95 R300, -.5"

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1 hour ago, EDT501 said:

Playing 46” now after years at 44.5” and I haven’t personally noticed any dispersion issues that aren’t proportional to the increased distance. In other words, my misses are more yards but not more degrees offline. Every time I go longer than 46 I have issues with syncing the timing of the driver and irons while on the course though.

I find this to be a very good observation, and likely why there’s such a huge disconnect for some players’ swings. One day they’re grooving driver but not their irons, or vice versa. A much longer shaft produces a dramatically different set of feels, as it really flattens the swing plane vs irons. 

TM 2016 M2 12*(-2 setting) - OG Grafalloy Blue X, 43.5"

TEE XCG7 16.5* 4w, OG Grafalloy Blue S, 41.75"

Cally Rogue X 18.5* 4i, Diamana 70 S, 39.75"

Cobra King OS 4-G, TT XP95 R300, -.5"

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37 minutes ago, A.Princey said:

I find this to be a very good observation, and likely why there’s such a huge disconnect for some players’ swings. One day they’re grooving driver but not their irons, or vice versa. A much longer shaft produces a dramatically different set of feels, as it really flattens the swing plane vs irons. 

 

I believe this is why Tour players do not swing 48" drivers. While the distance is tremendous grooving a swing for such a long shaft makes the transition to the other clubs within the bag too difficult.

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44.25.  Went to that length to try and become more accurate.  Have succeeded in that endeavor and have been thinking of going up to 45 to see how that performs.  I feel like I'll settle in the 44.5-44.75 range. 

 

I'm 5'9" for reference

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6 hours ago, smithy23 said:

I’m guessing when your all talking length your talking shaft length in some of the shorter cases

 

Not in my case.  My shorter drivers really are 43" or 43.25" playing length.

 

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Hybrid:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour 2h or 3h, NV105 S -or- RIP Alpha 105 S

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Late to this party but wanted to chime in anyway.

 

My adjustable G400 Max is only 45" with both shafts (PING Tour 65 stiff and Aldila NVS NXT 65 stiff).  My OG Rapture is 45 1/2" with an Aldila VS Proto By You stiff.  I hit both about the same distance but definitely see more pop and potential with the OG Rapture... 

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1 hour ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Not in my case.  My shorter drivers really are 43" or 43.25" playing length.

 

 

8 hours ago, smithy23 said:

So interesting to see this , I’m guessing when your all talking length your talking shaft length in some of the shorter cases and playing length in the longer ones I think should have asked you folks to clarify 

 

Pretty sure everybody is talking full club length, I don’t know why any sensible person would reference shaft length alone, unless they were going to include that info in a shaft-only sale. 

TM 2016 M2 12*(-2 setting) - OG Grafalloy Blue X, 43.5"

TEE XCG7 16.5* 4w, OG Grafalloy Blue S, 41.75"

Cally Rogue X 18.5* 4i, Diamana 70 S, 39.75"

Cobra King OS 4-G, TT XP95 R300, -.5"

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I've been playing 46.5" since I bought the TM Burner Super fast 2.0.  that was standard from the factory when it was released.  I hit a lot of fairways with no issues.  I tried 47.5" recently, and I picked up a few more yards, but it became so long I felt my setup had to change and I didn't like that.  

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Between 45-45.25” depending on how I’m swinging. Prefer control of the club vs maximizing swing speed.  Miss hits are my nemesis.

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Been playing at 46" for several years, looking for a shaft now to experiment at 47" or more. Thinking something like a 5x or lighter if I can find such an animal on the cheap.

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29 minutes ago, Jim53 said:

Been playing at 46" for several years, looking for a shaft now to experiment at 47" or more. Thinking something like a 5x or lighter if I can find such an animal on the cheap.

Check out Aldila Ascent 50X.  I have not hit it, but it's 61g, and it's the lightest X I know.  I like the NV 2K series. X Stiff in the high 60s and very stable. 

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