P Reed not happy about Ryder Cup snub

[Naptime]

12 hours ago, kasting333 said:

USA used to be about excellence and he’s flat out better than players that were selected. This isn’t a morality contest.  

 

To the extent that golf has a tradition of self enforcement of rules and a measure of character, I think golf is at its core a morality contest within the context of a sporting match.

[ShowMe]

7 hours ago, grm24 said:

Except he didn't shine in the 2018 RC and 2019 PC matches.

 

Reed was 1-2-0 in Paris. Reed had serious trouble breaking 80 in his two team matches being paired with Tiger.

 

Reed was 1-3 in the 2019 Presidents Cup in Australia. 0-3 in team matches. Reed didn't shine under pressure in either event.

 

To say nothing of his childish whining after the 2018 RC and then had his caddie/BIL acting out in the 2019 PC against a fan that he was banned for his singles match. This coming after Reed was blatantly caught cheating on video at Tiger's Hero Challenge the week before the PC. What a team player.

 

DOH!  Once again facts beat "hot take."

[ShowMe]

4 hours ago, JohnnyCashForever said:

Good point, but unfortunately, this is match play.  Assuming the player can ball like a top 30 tour pro, I would say that heart, grit, and determination are the calling cards here.  All unmeasurable unfortunately.  But we have the eye test and our gut.  Does anyone seriously claim that they would choose Scottie Scheffler (or Harris English or Tony Finau for that matter) over a healthy-enough Patrick Reed to win a singles match to decide the Ryder Cup?   

 

That's why PR should be on the team.  He won't win that match for you, me, Stricker, or his teammates.  He'll win it for himself and America.    

MERICA!

[ShowMe]

1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

Then what have we learned in this thread? That Jordan Spieth gets all of the credit for team wins in Ryder Cups and is given a pass for singles failures but Reed is the total blame for team losses and his singles record means nothing.

 

Got it.

 

Well, as previously stated, there are 4 team matches and 1 singles match.  4>1

 

Hopefully, you've learned some math, too.  🙂

[ShowMe]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

🤣

 

People make Reed can only win with Spieth argument like,

 

2+X=4

 

therefore
 

2+Y CAN NOT=4

 

; )

 

 

 

 

 

Well, there is the fact that Reed has never won a team match without Jordan as a partner.

 

0 x Never = ?

 

; )

[dcmidnight]

1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

Then what have we learned in this thread? That Jordan Spieth gets all of the credit for team wins in Ryder Cups and is given a pass for singles failures but Reed is the total blame for team losses and his singles record means nothing.

 

Got it.

 

Hopefully something else we learned is that their successes together were *seven* years ago - by my admittedly remedial math skills...

[ShowMe]

9 minutes ago, Naptime said:

 

To the extent that golf has a tradition of self enforcement of rules and a measure of character, I think golf is at its core a morality contest within the context of a sporting match.

 

Golf is certainly the most "moral" of all the major sports.  It's the only one where players don't try to get away with cheating.  Well, most players...

[bscinstnct]

11 minutes ago, ShowMe said:

 

Well, there is the fact that Reed has never won a team match without Jordan as a partner.

 

0 x Never = ?

 

; )

 

Ya, I’d look forward to you explaining to Gronk that he’d be a loser with Brady ; )

 

 

 

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

28 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

Bryson's got "Brooksie."

Reed's got, "You're no Poulter."

Lol.. 

Reed got the classic Lloyd Bentsen dis... 🤣

[ShowMe]

12 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Ya, I’d look forward to you explaining to Gronk that he’d be a loser with Brady ; )

 

 

 

 

 

Wait.  So Gronk would have won 4 Super Bowls WITHOUT Brady?  You sure?

 

Spieth is Reed's Brady.

[MattyO1984]

26 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Ya, I’d look forward to you explaining to Gronk that he’d be a loser with Brady ; )

 

 

 

 

 

If only he was built like a linebacker 😂

[bscinstnct]

5 minutes ago, ShowMe said:

 

Wait.  So Gronk would have won 4 Super Bowls WITHOUT Brady?  You sure?

 

Spieth is Reed's Brady.

 

Ya, and Belichick is Brady’s Spieth.

 

And Parcells is Belichicks Spieth

 

🤣

 

Cheers SM, I appreciate you sticking to your guns ; )

 

 

[ShowMe]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Ya, and Belichick is Brady’s Spieth.

 

And Parcells is Belichicks Spieth

 

🤣

 

Cheers SM, I appreciate you sticking to your guns ; )

 

 

 

It's easy sticking to the facts.  You should try it.  😀

 

btw - Pretty sure that Brady won his last Super Bowl without Belichick.  You might have been out of the country or something...

[Holy Moses]

On 9/11/2021 at 1:40 PM, Shilgy said:

Back to the original premise of this thread…..I realize PR is everyone’s favorite whipping boy of late but would anyone want a player on the team that wasn’t upset at not being picked?  So what if he liked a few posts saying he should have been picked for the team.  How is that a bad thing?

You aren’t as likely to win when the team hates each other. There's ways to say you wish you were on the team. This isn’t one of those ways.

[Gsea]

2 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Ya, and Belichick is Brady’s Spieth.

 

And Parcells is Belichicks Spieth

 

🤣

 

Cheers SM, I appreciate you sticking to your guns ; )

 

 

18-0 and one GIANT lost 🙂 

[bscinstnct]

4 minutes ago, Gsea said:

18-0 and one GIANT lost 🙂 

 

That’s what I’m talkin bout ; )

 

 

[Shilgy]

6 hours ago, ShowMe said:

 

Well, as previously stated, there are 4 team matches and 1 singles match.  4>1

 

Hopefully, you've learned some math, too.  🙂

Since you are so excellent at math.  Go ahead and recalculate Ryder Cup points for all players using a proper calculation.  Each player on a winning side in a match is credited with half a point for his personal record and loses half a point when his team loses.  It’s deceptive   That would bring Spieth to 3 1/2-2-5 in the Ryder Cup while Reed would drop to 5-3-2.  
You like to point out there are more team matches and singles and there are- 16-12. In each event. But I have never felt that justifies basically double dipping in points credits. At the end of the week if two players play two team sessions together and win them both but both players lose their singles match it currently appears they  both went 2-1 in matches but in reality in their 4 matches they batted .500.   Because math…..🤣

[ShowMe]

57 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Since you are so excellent at math.  Go ahead and recalculate Ryder Cup points for all players using a proper calculation.  Each player on a winning side in a match is credited with half a point for his personal record and loses half a point when his team loses.  It’s deceptive   That would bring Spieth to 3 1/2-2-5 in the Ryder Cup while Reed would drop to 5-3-2.  
You like to point out there are more team matches and singles and there are- 16-12. In each event. But I have never felt that justifies basically double dipping in points credits. At the end of the week if two players play two team sessions together and win them both but both players lose their singles match it currently appears they  both went 2-1 in matches but in reality in their 4 matches they batted .500.   Because math…..🤣

 

Here's some math...

 

0 for 7 = .000

 

PR's team match record without Spieth as a partner.  Until he can prove that he can win with another partner, any partner, then he will remain an anchor on any future team he makes.

 

Spieth, on the other hand, has proven that he can win with other partners.

 

Oh, and a golfer can play in 4 team matches, but just 1 singles math, so it's not really 16-12 on a per golfer basis.  It's 4-1.  I'll take a guy with the potential to win 4 points vs. 1 point any day.  More math.  🙃

[braincramp52]

You guys can argue math all day. Reed is still peckerhead who likes to cheat every so often.

Edited September 17, 2021 by braincramp52

[BlackDiamondPar5]

5 minutes ago, braincramp52 said:

You guys can argue math all day. Reed is still peckerhead who likes to cheat every so often.

and most the arguing is because of what he did 5 years ago.  Not so much so with the last RC or PC.  Time to move on to better choices which Stricks did.

[dcmidnight]

43 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

and most the arguing is because of what he did 5 years ago.  Not so much so with the last RC or PC.  Time to move on to better choices which Stricks did.

 

Can you imagine some kind of argument like this in any other sport?

Coach goes to the GM and says "Oh hey, we have a player we really need to sign for our big playoff push. Now, he's just out of the hospital after a bout with double pneumonia, he lost a ton of weight and sure he really hasnt played that well in the last 9 months. Truth is, the biggest playoff success he's had were 5 and 7 years ago and he was a complete bust in the playoffs the last few years. But this is the guy, trust us, he will step up when we need him to - there are absolutely no better players to sign than him"

 

You'd make sure that coach was checked for a severe concussion.

[kasting333]

16 minutes ago, dcmidnight said:

 

Can you imagine some kind of argument like this in any other sport?

Coach goes to the GM and says "Oh hey, we have a player we really need to sign for our big playoff push. Now, he's just out of the hospital after a bout with double pneumonia, he lost a ton of weight and sure he really hasnt played that well in the last 9 months. Truth is, the biggest playoff success he's had were 5 and 7 years ago and he was a complete bust in the playoffs the last few years. But this is the guy, trust us, he will step up when we need him to - there are absolutely no better players to sign than him"

 

You'd make sure that coach was checked for a severe concussion.

Lol at the framing of these excuses. You guys don’t like him but he should’ve been picked. If Bryson was on the bubble it would be the same type of excuses. 
 

Just ask yourself, if Patrick Reed was on Europe do you think they would embrace him? 1000%

[BlackDiamondPar5]

6 minutes ago, kasting333 said:

Lol at the framing of these excuses. You guys don’t like him but he should’ve been picked. If Bryson was on the bubble it would be the same type of excuses. 
 

Just ask yourself, if Patrick Reed was on Europe do you think they would embrace him? 1000%

@dcmidnightexamples were spot on. Based on what data should he have been picked? Get your head out of 5 years ago. 

[kasting333]

17 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

@dcmidnightexamples were spot on. Based on what data should he have been picked? Get your head out of 5 years ago. 

Even eliminating all his past success (which I believe is relevant) he finished higher in the Ryder cup points system than Scheffler and Berger. 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

23 minutes ago, kasting333 said:

Even eliminating all his past success (which I believe is relevant) he finished higher in the Ryder cup points system than Scheffler and Berger. 

Certainly a fair argument but of recent both picks have out performed Reed.  I also think you must acknowledge his recent hospitalization w/bilateral pneumonia, where my his own admission he was told he might die, so it was very serious.  A typical case of that will take months to regain full strength and feel back to completely normal.  To ignore that I believe would be negligent.  Stricks made the right decision to pass on him. 

[kasting333]

3 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Certainly a fair argument but of recent both picks have out performed Reed.  I also think you must acknowledge his recent hospitalization w/bilateral pneumonia, where my his own admission he was told he might die, so it was very serious.  A typical case of that will take months to regain full strength and feel back to completely normal.  To ignore that I believe would be negligent.  Stricks made the right decision to pass on him. 

I would be more open to the health argument if he didn’t drive from Houston to Atlanta to prove he can play then go out and tie Scheffler. 

[dcmidnight]

LOL, pretty damn brave of him...but at least lets tell the whole story. Its not like he pulled a 12 hour shift at the wheel of a tractor trailer. He rode in a luxury van of some kind - because he wasn't medically cleared to fly. The doctors literally told him they didnt think his lungs could handle the cabin pressure in a plane.

 

So he was still so sick that he *rode* to a no cut event to cash a giant check - assuming he could even finish four rounds. Which he did.

 

Wow, I was wrong, what an animal.

[kasting333]

15 minutes ago, dcmidnight said:

LOL, pretty damn brave of him...but at least lets tell the whole story. Its not like he pulled a 12 hour shift at the wheel of a tractor trailer. He rode in a luxury van of some kind - because he wasn't medically cleared to fly. The doctors literally told him they didnt think his lungs could handle the cabin pressure in a plane.

 

So he was still so sick that he *rode* to a no cut event to cash a giant check - assuming he could even finish four rounds. Which he did.

 

Wow, I was wrong, what an animal.

You just admitted your health argument is BS

[khalespace]

On 9/14/2021 at 8:09 AM, ShowMe said:

 

Well, there is the fact that Reed has never won a team match without Jordan as a partner.

 

0 x Never = ?

 

; )

And Jordan doesn't want to play with PReed, that is the problem.

[dcmidnight]

15 minutes ago, kasting333 said:

You just admitted your health argument is BS

 

YOU were arguing that because he could drive 12 hours - and finish 4 rounds - that is an indication he was healthy enough to take on the Ryder Cup. Thats YOUR argument. So now your bar is that he can be considered to be in game shape because he could *finish* four rounds of golf? FINISHING four rounds of golf in a no cut event...thats now the bar?

 

He had to ride to the event because the doctors would not medically clear him to fly - because his lungs were not healthy enough to simply sit in an airplane under cabin pressurization. Think about that for a minute before arguing that he's healthy.

 

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