P Reed not happy about Ryder Cup snub

[vman]

 As good a competitor as he is, it's a fact that he won't be missed. Seems like an incredibly strong team without him.

[bscinstnct]

11 minutes ago, ShowMe said:

All of his team wins in the Ryder Cup and the Presidents Cup have been when he plays with Jordan.

 

When he doesn't play with Jordan, he's 0-7 combined.  In the Ryder Cup, specifically, he's 0-2 when not playing with Jordan.

 

Pssst - He wasn't going to be playing with Jordan if he had made the team.  😏

 

Cheers SM. I appreciate you sticking to your guns but we are going in circles.

 

Bottom line is PR did not get passed over for this BS Stricker is shoveling.

 

He has a 7-2-1 record. 3-0 in singles. He was a top 10 owgr player for the last 2 seasons straight until August. 
 

Anybody else gets picked without question based on this. 
 

Reed didn’t get picked for popularity reasons or lack there of.

 

Thats fine but Sticker should be straight up about it. 

 

 

 

 

[sui generis]

On 9/9/2021 at 3:59 PM, DrivingChamp said:

He’s letting his feelings be known 

 

https://twitter.com/NoLayingUp/status/1435768120992542720

 

Reed's exclusion from the team has, at least, increased the odds that I (and many others who're fed up with his antics) may watch some of the TV coverage. 😉

[jkumpire]

3 hours ago, ShowMe said:

Can he do anything about Patrick Reed being 0-7 in matches where Jordan Speith is not his partner?

 

If he can figure that out, then I'll agree with him and you about PR needing to be on the team.  😮

 

With respect sir, you are completely wrong and trying to cause trouble. Please consider deleting your account.

 

If you need evidence you are intentionally being incorrect, please consider: https://www.rydercup.com/news-media/ryder-cup-patrick-reed-and-rory-mcilroys-match-was-an-instant-classic

 

Ryder Cup: Patrick Reed and Rory McIlroy's match was an instant classic

By

Brian Mull

On October 2, 2016, 7:21pm EDT

Incredible. Sensational. Unbelievable. Ridiculous.

For one magnificent hour Sunday, Patrick Reed and Rory McIlroy torched Hazeltine National in the leadoff singles match. They played golf beyond compare, trading birdies and sinking putts in a scintillating stretch of one-upmanship. The battle was unprecedented in a Ryder Cup, unlike any golf ever seen on TV.

Reed defeated McIlroy 1-up in the head-to-head matchup between the Cup’s two hottest golfers, the pairing which every golf fan craved. The pairings gods delivered and the golfers crushed reasonable expectations, like a video game gone wild. In a must-win match certain to set the tone for either side, Reed and McIlroy’s four-hole front nine stretch will live forever in highlight packages and golf course grill rooms. Each putt, swing and crazed celebration seared into our heart, soul and mind.

 

 

Why are you passing along mythology?

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by jkumpire

[CasualLie]

37 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Cheers SM. I appreciate you sticking to your guns but we are going in circles.

 

Bottom line is PR did not get passed over for this BS Stricker is shoveling.

 

He has a 7-2-1 record. 3-0 in singles. He was a top 10 owgr player for the last 2 seasons straight until August. 
 

Anybody else gets picked without question based on this. 
 

Reed didn’t get picked for popularity reasons or lack there of.

 

Thats fine but Sticker should be straight up about it. 

 

 

 

 

i have nothing against Reed.  No doubt he was a pick until he got hurt then he had double pneumonia.  Your fire and passion, some call it heart, can only take you so far.  I do not doubt him he is as patriotic as they come as a golfer.  But, he’s not exactly world class athlete.  Double pneumonia is no joke.  
 

I’m surprised he played Atalanta but I can see why he did.  He wanted to show he has enough game for the team, but he didn’t.  He put his all out there and came up short.  It would be different if we saw PR getting up and down from everywhere, because let’s face it, he’s not very good off the tee, and different if he was rolling in putts.  Then we could all say he’s ready, but he did none of that.  It’s ok, it happens.

 

 But to trot out 2016 stats…that’s a lifetime in golf away.  On top of all that.  Sure, he’s free to like whatever tweets he wants.  But he needs to recognize there are some who will ignore that stuff and just let the game do the talking, and then they are unfortunately some in PGA power who can’t get over themselves.  So tweet likes beware.  Not sure where Stricker is.  Did he say all the right things?  Not really.  But I suspect his hands are tied.  Such is politics in golf.  For all we know when he was selected captain it wad all contingent on not picking Reed.

 

Reed is young, two years goes by fast.  So get the game together and qualify on points.  Hell, win a major.  In other words, let your game do the talking in the present time.

[drn92]

14 minutes ago, jkumpire said:

 

With respect sir, you are completely wrong and trying to cause trouble. Please consider deleting your account.

 

If you need evidence you are intentionally being incorrect, please consider: https://www.rydercup.com/news-media/ryder-cup-patrick-reed-and-rory-mcilroys-match-was-an-instant-classic

 

Ryder Cup: Patrick Reed and Rory McIlroy's match was an instant classic

By

Brian Mull

On October 2, 2016, 7:21pm EDT

Incredible. Sensational. Unbelievable. Ridiculous.

For one magnificent hour Sunday, Patrick Reed and Rory McIlroy torched Hazeltine National in the leadoff singles match. They played golf beyond compare, trading birdies and sinking putts in a scintillating stretch of one-upmanship. The battle was unprecedented in a Ryder Cup, unlike any golf ever seen on TV.

Reed defeated McIlroy 1-up in the head-to-head matchup between the Cup’s two hottest golfers, the pairing which every golf fan craved. The pairings gods delivered and the golfers crushed reasonable expectations, like a video game gone wild. In a must-win match certain to set the tone for either side, Reed and McIlroy’s four-hole front nine stretch will live forever in highlight packages and golf course grill rooms. Each putt, swing and crazed celebration seared into our heart, soul and mind.

 

 

Why are you passing along mythology?

 

You know that was 5 years ago …

 

drn92

[ShowMe]

1 hour ago, jkumpire said:

 

With respect sir, you are completely wrong and trying to cause trouble. Please consider deleting your account.

 

If you need evidence you are intentionally being incorrect, please consider: https://www.rydercup.com/news-media/ryder-cup-patrick-reed-and-rory-mcilroys-match-was-an-instant-classic

 

Ryder Cup: Patrick Reed and Rory McIlroy's match was an instant classic

By

Brian Mull

On October 2, 2016, 7:21pm EDT

Incredible. Sensational. Unbelievable. Ridiculous.

For one magnificent hour Sunday, Patrick Reed and Rory McIlroy torched Hazeltine National in the leadoff singles match. They played golf beyond compare, trading birdies and sinking putts in a scintillating stretch of one-upmanship. The battle was unprecedented in a Ryder Cup, unlike any golf ever seen on TV.

Reed defeated McIlroy 1-up in the head-to-head matchup between the Cup’s two hottest golfers, the pairing which every golf fan craved. The pairings gods delivered and the golfers crushed reasonable expectations, like a video game gone wild. In a must-win match certain to set the tone for either side, Reed and McIlroy’s four-hole front nine stretch will live forever in highlight packages and golf course grill rooms. Each putt, swing and crazed celebration seared into our heart, soul and mind.

 

 

Why are you passing along mythology?

 

The 0-7 record is for team matches - foursomes and alternate shots.  In the Ryder Cup there are four team matches during the first two days and then singles on the last day.  In the Presidents Cup, there are three days of team matches, followed by singles on the last day.

 

PR is 0-7 in the team matches when Jordan Spieth is not his partner.  0-2 in the Ryder Cup and 0-5 in the Presidents Cup.

 

Do I still need to delete my account?  🙂

[00steven]

Reed should’ve been picked if the goal is to win. It’s rather silly that anyone would say Scottie should be on the team first and I like him. Like him or not, Patrick is clutch.

[Shilgy]

2 hours ago, drn92 said:

You know that was 5 years ago …

 

drn92

Any losses were at least three years ago…..so there’s that.

[gibbiesmalls]

9 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Back to the original premise of this thread…..I realize PR is everyone’s favorite whipping boy of late but would anyone want a player on the team that wasn’t upset at not being picked?  So what if he liked a few posts saying he should have been picked for the team.  How is that a bad thing?

If that was the actual case, I'd somewhat agree with you.

 

But he's also liking posts where Steve Stricker (thee Ryder Cup Captain) is being insulted and scornfully abused for his decision.

 

You don't think that's, at best, dumb and at worst very disrespectful of SS? 

 

 

[Shilgy]

Just now, gibbiesmalls said:

If that was the actual case, I'd somewhat agree with you.

 

But he's also liking posts where Steve Stricker (thee Ryder Cup Captain) is being insulted and scornfully abused for his decision.

 

You don't think that's, at best, dumb and at worst very disrespectful of SS? 

 

 

Sure it is, though not as big as the crap being tossed around on wrx daily.

[gibbiesmalls]

2 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Sure it is, though not as big as the crap being tossed around on wrx daily.

Yeah, but no one of us are hoping to be picked by Patrick Reed to be on the Ryder Cup team.

[Shilgy]

1 minute ago, gibbiesmalls said:

Yeah, but no one of us are hoping to be picked by Patrick Reed to be on the Ryder Cup team.

Dang it, you dashed my hopes and dreams right there! 🤣

[bobfoster]

Actually, it is a bit too bad that the guy's (at times rather nasty) antics blur what is probably the real reason he wasn't picked. 

 

He's definitely had recent health issues. And when he is playing, he doesn't (currently) seem to be firing on all eight cylinders. Doesn't matter what he did in past years. What matters is who is on the course come September 24th, and how they are likely to do. I wouldn't have picked him either, not because of any issues involving his personality, but because his game is just not fully there right now.

 

True, there have been a few players who's stature is such that they get picked no matter what if they want to play. No Captain would have declined to pick Tiger or Phil. But Reed is hardly in that league.

 

I like the team Stricker picked. Can't think of a single one that Reed - playing as he's currently playing - should have replaced. And Stricker is a seriously even-handed guy. Does anyone really believe he thought "Reed would give me a better chance of winning, but I'm going to go with a lesser choice because Reed liked bad tweets about me, and threw shade on previous Captains"?

 

Captains have to herd the cats, only these are some of the best in the world, so its more like herding mountain lions and cougars. The top of the sport (as in any sport) are fierce competitors (whether they seem quiet or loud on the surface), they all know each each other, have battled each other at various times, and have strong opinions about the game (and each other). Some are a royal pain in the butkus. Captains don't try to avoid that, they try to manage it. Take a dozen independent contractors used to playing only for themselves, and temporarily bind them into a team. 

 

IMO, Stricker picked a team he thinks has the best chance of winning, based on golf. He's doing what Captains traditionally do - they don't keep someone off the team because of personality, they harmonize the personalities through pairing (e.g., DeChambeau and Koepka certainly will not be teamed together). 

 

I do get that it is normal among many golf fans in general, and WRXers in particular, to complain about Captain's picks. Actually, it is sort of a tradition. It's part of the fun of the Ryder Cup. And when you have someone like Reed, who inspires love and loyalty in some, and irritation in others, it is natural that he would be the focus of this year's arguments. 

 

But - myself, I'm nearly indifferent to the guy. I'm pretty satisfied with the team we've got. I do not think it was picked on personality, I think all the choices were chosen almost entirely on just golf. 

Edited September 12, 2021 by bobfoster

[philly2kuk]

As a European fan, I’m disappointed PR hasn’t been picked. Who else is going to cause the team room drama now? If Koepka isn’t fit then BAD has nobody to fall out with either. It’s looking ominous…..

 

In all seriousness, PR is a good player regardless of what you think of him (I’m on the dislike side), but he hasn’t been playing at his best and isn’t at 100% fitness. In any team sport, you wouldn’t take the gamble.

[tacklingdummy]

On 9/10/2021 at 1:50 PM, stingerfade said:

I see it exactly the other way. Why does everyone else have to accommodate him? He should put his whining aside and be a team player. 

 

So, you think Koepka and DeChambeau feuding together on the team are going to help team unity and be team players more than PR? The Ryder Cup team might be an episode of Jerry Springer show this year. 😂

[bobfoster]

12 minutes ago, tacklingdummy said:

 

So, you think Koepka and DeChambeau feuding together on the team are going to help team unity and be team players more than PR? The Ryder Cup team might be an episode of Jerry Springer show this year. 😂

 

I don't mind Reed whining - only hurts himself. If you don't get picked for a team, and you whine about it, you just look a little petty. 

 

And DeChambeau and Koepka are a different case. They weren't Captains picks - both automatically qualified. Reed didn't qualify, he would have had to make it based on choice, and he's not playing very well right now.

[Rocky Ball-boa]

On 9/10/2021 at 5:31 PM, MUNIGRIT said:

There are a lot of people that not only think they can do a better job, they are unfamiliar with being a Captain and what that means. It is a product of this woke environment we live in where the public think they have a say in everything.

 

To be fair - wokeness would make this whole process a lot easier.

Most victim points and pronouns in their Twitter bio wins a spot. None of this merit or earning a spot malarkey.

And let's face it - wanting to win too much is a colonialist mindset  anyway, so it's not really a big deal anyway.

[Gsea]

LOL

https://golf.com/news/ryder-cup-drama-patrick-reed-likes-unlikes-tweets-rip-steve-stricker/

[Hawkeye77]

Who knows.

 

From the above:

 

“I definitely feel like I am way ahead of where I would say everyone expected me to be health-wise, and also I felt like the game was a lot closer than the score kind of anticipated,” Reed said Sunday. 

 

He overdramatized his health situation a very public way but now he's ahead of where "everyone" expected him to be (because he overdramatized) and he's better than his actual scores, which are . . . his actual scores.  

 

He could have said worse. 

 

The Twitter thing, who cares. 

 

Seems like the odds are substantially higher this time around he would be a divisive force based on France and form, than recreating any of the magic he had at Hazeltine three long years ago.  I think the USA is going to win big this time around and he won't be missed at all.  

 

 

[dan360]

"I'd rather have Reed on the U.S. team."  ~ fan, 2021

[tacklingdummy]

14 hours ago, bobfoster said:

 

I don't mind Reed whining - only hurts himself. If you don't get picked for a team, and you whine about it, you just look a little petty. 

 

And DeChambeau and Koepka are a different case. They weren't Captains picks - both automatically qualified. Reed didn't qualify, he would have had to make it based on choice, and he's not playing very well right now.

 

 

True they did automatically qualify, but if you say Patrick Reed whines a lot, but then DeChambeau and Koepka would be in the same whining category. Perhaps people may have some surveillance in PR's home or car that listen to him whine more. 😜

[bubbagump]

14 hours ago, bobfoster said:

 

I don't mind Reed whining - only hurts himself. If you don't get picked for a team, and you whine about it, you just look a little petty. 

 

And DeChambeau and Koepka are a different case. They weren't Captains picks - both automatically qualified. Reed didn't qualify, he would have had to make it based on choice, and he's not playing very well right now.

 

This is the nuance, that seems to evading some.  He has every right to be disappointed, same probably as a handful of other guys do.  But also note how that handful handled it, and how Reed handled it.  

 

Further broken down, really no prob either putting out a statement in that you disagree, think you bring X to the table etc.....but accept it and will help/cheer on in whatever form. 

 

Then there is what Reed did, then deleted lol. 

Edited September 12, 2021 by bubbagump

[bobfoster]

27 minutes ago, tacklingdummy said:

True they did automatically qualify, but if you say Patrick Reed whines a lot, but then DeChambeau and Koepka would be in the same whining category. Perhaps people may have some surveillance in PR's home or car that listen to him whine more. 😜

 

Who cares who whines more? No skin off my back. Golf is littered with crybabies. Currently PR BD and BK. But Vijay Singh whined. And Sergio, Bubba Watson, Sabbatini, John Daly, even Tiger and Phil now and then. When they do, they just look childish - never exactly wins them new fans. Or changes anything. 

 

What would be fun is if, sometime in the future, Reed was the RC Captain, and needed to make tough choices about his picks. And had a couple of players he declined to pick whine about his choices. Wonder how he'd respond?

 

Being a Captain is a tough, thankless job. You don't get any money for it, and every choice is scrutinized and often complained about. Ignoring the whiners and focusing on the golf is just part of the job.

[jkumpire]

On 9/11/2021 at 10:01 PM, ShowMe said:

The 0-7 record is for team matches - foursomes and alternate shots.  In the Ryder Cup there are four team matches during the first two days and then singles on the last day.  In the Presidents Cup, there are three days of team matches, followed by singles on the last day.

 

PR is 0-7 in the team matches when Jordan Spieth is not his partner.  0-2 in the Ryder Cup and 0-5 in the Presidents Cup.

 

Do I still need to delete my account?  🙂

 

I didn't know singles matches were less important than team matches. Duh.

 

Yes, please do delete your account. 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

On 9/11/2021 at 8:09 PM, bscinstnct said:

 

Cheers SM. I appreciate you sticking to your guns but we are going in circles.

 

Bottom line is PR did not get passed over for this BS Stricker is shoveling.

 

He has a 7-2-1 record. 3-0 in singles. He was a top 10 owgr player for the last 2 seasons straight until August. 
 

Anybody else gets picked without question based on this. 
 

Reed didn’t get picked for popularity reasons or lack there of.

 

Thats fine but Sticker should be straight up about it. 

 

 

 

 

What exactly are you claiming Stricker is shoveling? He said health concerns and lack of recent play.  He also didn't do well in his most recent event.  That is all pretty clear and factual to me.

 

Also looking at the data, every Captain's pick has stronger 2021 top 10's performance and overall points ranking than Reed.  On top of that every single Captain's pick averaged more birdies per round than Reed for 2021. No matter how you slice up the performance stats these picks were generally stronger than Reed in 2021.  So what justifies selecting Reed over the other picks?  Past performance?  Well you know the old disclaimer about past performance.  🙂

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by BlackDiamondPar5

[bladehunter]

On 9/12/2021 at 2:37 AM, bobfoster said:

 

I don't mind Reed whining - only hurts himself. If you don't get picked for a team, and you whine about it, you just look a little petty. 

 

And DeChambeau and Koepka are a different case. They weren't Captains picks - both automatically qualified. Reed didn't qualify, he would have had to make it based on choice, and he's not playing very well right now.

So the defense is - “ we’re stuck with those two idiots.   But we can opt out of this one “.  
 

I guess I can buy that.   Makes the case for the captain to pick all 12 a little more plausible in my mind. 

Edited September 13, 2021 by bladehunter

[caniac6]

Reed should just tweet the names of the players that don't deserve a spot on the team. Mabye my old memory is failing me, but I remember good players that had reps as not very nice guys, but I sure can't remember a player as good as Reed that was as unpopular.

[JaNelson38]

On 9/11/2021 at 7:09 PM, bscinstnct said:

 

Reed didn’t get picked for popularity reasons or lack there of.

 

Thats fine but Sticker should be straight up about it. 

 

 

 

 

 

Stricker won't be straight up with it because its a 99.999999% guarantee multiple guys on the US team told Strick not to pick him.   And while Stricker has the ultimate say, he's not going to piss off his whole team by going against their wishes and picking Reed - especially since Reed really isn't playing that well lately to begin with.

 

It'd be one thing if Reed has a recent win or was playing so well that there was no way Stricker could pass him up.  With Reed's recent health issues combined with his sketchy form of late, it was an easy pass as far as I'm concerned.

[bladehunter]

1 minute ago, JaNelson38 said:

 

Stricker won't be straight up with it because its a 99.999999% guarantee multiple guys on the US team told Strick not to pick him.   And while Stricker has the ultimate say, he's not going to piss off his whole team by going against their wishes and picking Reed - especially since Reed really isn't playing that well lately to begin with.

 

It'd be one thing if Reed has a recent win or was playing so well that there was no way Stricker could pass him up.  With Reed's recent health issues combined with his sketchy form of late, it was an easy pass as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. I’d say after thinking that this is accurate ^ 

 

start connecting dots and playing process of elimination.      You had jordan as a for sure pick.   Ok.  Well he comes with baggage.  As in I’d say he requested that Scotty be picked. Cool.  But that is two votes against Reed right there. One from Jordan. And one other that jordan controls via proxy in return for his support.  Then there’s Brooks. He’d say nay to Patrick.  He doesnt like anybody. So that’s 3 . Then JT. I can see him going  with the Spieth bros.  Then You have the wives.  I can only imagine how much pull they have.   Justine isn’t going to be their best pal either.  He’s going to just have to qualify going forward.  
 

in a sense we have Jordan as a pick becoming the power behind the throne so to speak.  
 

( mostly being sarcastic.  I do agree with you but the mental gymnastics were just for fun 🤩).