Jack’s Majors Ranking

[Soloman1]

mean

 (mēn),

A statistical measurement of central tendency or average of a set of values, usually assumed to be the arithmetic mean unless otherwise specified.

[PNWGuy]

7 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

mean

 (mēn),

A statistical measurement of central tendency or average of a set of values, usually assumed to be the arithmetic mean unless otherwise specified.

 

I think your first comment went over a few heads... But then again that's Normal.

[Soloman1]

9 minutes ago, PNWGuy said:

 

I think your first comment went over a few heads... But then again that's Normal.

 

Yes, I was afraid we'd go off on a tangent.

[ShowMe]

21 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

mean

 (mēn),

A statistical measurement of central tendency or average of a set of values, usually assumed to be the arithmetic mean unless otherwise specified.

"Are you being average or are you being mean?"

 

"Mean" as a noun - a value that lies within a range of values and is computed according to a prescribed law (arithmetic mean)

 

"Mean" as an adjective - characterized by petty selfishness or malice

 

Your sentence used it as an adjective.  "the statistical mean" would have been the proper use as a noun.  Nouns have function words (the, a, an, etc.).  You wouldn't say, "Car ran over the person."

[PNWGuy]

1 hour ago, Soloman1 said:

 

Yes, I was afraid we'd go off on a tangent.

Puns are a sine of intelligence but not everyone understands them.  

 

[BNGL]

2 minutes ago, PNWGuy said:

Puns are a sine of intelligence but not everyone understands them.  

 

I’d like to cosine that statement!

[Soloman1]

Some are obtuse.

[tiderider]

18 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

It doesn't matter what the masses say. The average person is average and the consensus of average people is just average. People should consider what the above average people say, since above average people change the world. Think about it for a minute.

"a minute", i.e. for some amount of time ...

 

what's the avg time on that? 

[tiderider]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

As a proud member of the illiterate mouth breathers of the world

 

I suggest that “dropping” the players overwhelming favorite/tournament they dream of winning since childhood, may not be considered too bright an idea

 

March 2020,

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.golfdigest.com/story/what-pga-tour-pros-really-think-2020-player-survey/amp

 

 "too" ... above average grammar! ... 

[ShowMe]

1 hour ago, Soloman1 said:

Some are obtuse.

Sure, but it's an above average obtuseness.  🙃

[straightshot7]

I thought this thread was going to be about how Jack’s majors were against weaker competition.

[golfandfishing]

23 hours ago, ShowMe said:

I agree with Jack (not a normal occurrence...lol).  In fact, if you look at it objectively, you might even question why the Masters should still be considered to be a major.  As far as I know, it's the only privately-run tournament in any of the major tours.  They set their own rules in terms of who gets invited.  They even tell CBS which words can be used and which ones cannot be used (eg., "patrons" not "fans").  It is Bobby Jones's tournament.

 

This will be controversial, but I think it's time to drop the Masters and make The Players Championship the fourth major.  Either that or, since Jack was a better golfer than Jones, make The Memorial the fourth major.

 

What say the masses?

Hey man, I know you are taking some heat for this post, but I want you to know much I appreciate the amount of thought you put into it. It takes real effort to come up with something this dumb. 

[ShowMe]

2 hours ago, golfandfishing said:

Hey man, I know you are taking some heat for this post, but I want you to know much I appreciate the amount of thought you put into it. It takes real effort to come up with something this dumb. 

Lol.  Just trying to spice up the thread.  It's almost a Pavlovian Response when anybody mentions eliminating the Masters as a major.

 

Through work connections, I've had the privilege of attending several of the Masters tournaments (the last one I went to a few years ago, we had the Berkmans Place badge, which was AWESOME...free food and drink and four replica putting greens out the back terrace of the restaurant that are stimped at the same speed as the real greens, or so they told us), and I've also had the privilege of getting to play the course once many years ago.  I've also had the privilege of getting to play Bobby Jones's other course - Peachtree Golf Club - a few times.  It's similar to Augusta National in a lot of ways, but mostly because of its extremely fast and undulating greens.

 

All were amazing experiences, although we did get admonished for entering the grounds (Augusta National) before the member we were playing with showed up.  We had to leave the grounds and wait to enter until he showed up.  But they were very polite about it.  The look on my then boss's face, not a man used to taking orders, makes me laugh out loud just thinking about it.  Turns out that the member knew about this rule but purposely didn't tell him as a joke.  The two of them were roommates in college, so it was all in good fun.

 

So anyway, I really do like the Masters and appreciate its place in golfing history.  At some point, though, I suspect its mystique and marketing luster will wear off (just like the green spray paint they use to hide the brown patches eventually wears off) and it might lose its status as a major tournament.  Bobby Jones has been dead for 50 years, but there are still many who remember him when he was alive.  At some point, all of us will be dead, too, and his mythology will fade over time.  Maybe then.

 

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by ShowMe

[TiScape]

@ShowMe Gifted IQ, masters degree from a prestigious university, executive at a fortune 200 company, has played AN, was a guest at the ultra exclusive Berckman’s Place during one of the several Masters tournaments that you have attended… What’s next?! You’re going to tell us that you are 212 pounds of pure muscle and regularly pure your 1 iron blade?!?! Sheesh 😒 🤣

[Steele47]

Love watching The Masters but it is 4th on my list of importance concerning the Majors.   I do think it's a generational thing.  Seems the younger crowd under 40 view The Masters as the 'big one'.  

 

British Open all day long is the 'big one' in my book.

[OldCuss]

I like chasin' rabbits, too, and sometimes experience new things, which for an old mind gives it a bit of needed exercise to function like it was younger, thus I know sumpin about intelligence, just not very much as it turns out. No matter on catchin' the little critter, the journey is better and makes me more aware of the thing and how to better understand my relationship to it and a need for a greater appreciation of and for it now and how it might evolve to retain its fresh and generative nature - not to mention how it might inform other pursuits and the level of their priority.

 

More rabbit trails to discover the strangeness of the familiar and to make the familar strange. An openness to the present, conditioned by the past, coupled with a rejection of its necessary substance creates space for creativity, change and the potential for sumpin' better, variously defined, that would not ordinarily be considered plausible. The traditions are important but if they never give cause for traditioning or questions associated with such will they have properly served as meaningful events moving us forward as a people? We don't reject tradition or deny its meaningfulness by allowing it to evolve, rather allowing such is the best way to honor its function, character, and essence. The content of the debate is, of course, an open question and demands critical thought to discern what is being stated and what might occur from it, but to deny the debate is to close oneself off to creative processes essential for viable and sustaining futures in addition to attenuating regard for both the present and the past.

 

Cuss, that swang of yourn can't possibly help you on the course?

 

Usually not, but as long as I am swangin' it,  shore nuff and more importantly, it makes gettin' out of bed and tyin' my shoes more doable.

 

Old Cuss

[Nels55]

10 hours ago, ShowMe said:

Good point.  Well, my IQ is 132, I have a Masters from Johns Hopkins and am an executive with a Fortune 200 company. 

 

Does that put me in the "above average" category?  If so, then based on your logic, you should seriously consider everything say. 

 

So consider this - Wouldn't replacing the Masters as a major be considered "changing the (golf) world?"  The "average person" certainly wouldn't want to do it, because they're "just average," but the above average person might.

 

Think about it for a minute.  🙂

My question is why are you posting on wrx with such a low IQ?

[TiScape]

3 hours ago, OldCuss said:

I like chasin' rabbits, too, and sometimes experience new things, which for an old mind gives it a bit of needed exercise to function like it was younger, thus I know sumpin about intelligence, just not very much as it turns out. No matter on catchin' the little critter, the journey is better and makes me more aware of the thing and how to better understand my relationship to it and a need for a greater appreciation of and for it now and how it might evolve to retain its fresh and generative nature - not to mention how it might inform other pursuits and the level of their priority.

 

More rabbit trails to discover the strangeness of the familiar and to make the familar strange. An openness to the present, conditioned by the past, coupled with a rejection of its necessary substance creates space for creativity, change and the potential for sumpin' better, variously defined, that would not ordinarily be considered plausible. The traditions are important but if they never give cause for traditioning or questions associated with such will they have properly served as meaningful events moving us forward as a people? We don't reject tradition or deny its meaningfulness by allowing it to evolve, rather allowing such is the best way to honor its function, character, and essence. The content of the debate is, of course, an open question and demands critical thought to discern what is being stated and what might occur from it, but to deny the debate is to close oneself off to creative processes essential for viable and sustaining futures in addition to attenuating regard for both the present and the past.

 

Cuss, that swang of yourn can't possibly help you on the course?

 

Usually not, but as long as I am swangin' it,  shore nuff and more importantly, it makes gettin' out of bed and tyin' my shoes more doable.

 

Old Cuss

Like, totally man.

[Hawkeye77]

12 hours ago, BNGL said:

I’d like to cosine that statement!

 

Darn, I can't work logarithm into that! 

[Hawkeye77]

5 hours ago, Nels55 said:

My question is why are you posting on wrx with such a low IQ?

If someone thinks they need to volunteer their personal standardized test resume . . . lol.  

 

 

[Hawkeye77]

6 hours ago, Steele47 said:

Love watching The Masters but it is 4th on my list of importance concerning the Majors.   I do think it's a generational thing.  Seems the younger crowd under 40 view The Masters as the 'big one'.  

 

British Open all day long is the 'big one' in my book.

If you go by who watches the events, all generations seem to value the Masters higher, it just has more interest overall.  The demographic at the Masters is decidedly older (but that's a bit skewed by the whole badge holder thing), but it's bigger ratings (again an older demographic), more respect as a major for several decades.  Lots of reasons, won't make a list.

 

Of course, it's my favorite and love reading about its history (including the warts) BUT . . . . The Open Championship is far and away my second favorite, right there just behind the Masters and frankly, the other two, which I enjoy watching are far behind those two for me in terms of "must watch".  

[bscinstnct]

9 hours ago, ShowMe said:

Lol.  Just trying to spice up the thread.  It's almost a Pavlovian Response when anybody mentions eliminating the Masters as a major.

 

Through work connections, I've had the privilege of attending several of the Masters tournaments (the last one I went to a few years ago, we had the Berkmans Place badge, which was AWESOME...free food and drink and four replica putting greens out the back terrace of the restaurant that are stimped at the same speed as the real greens, or so they told us), and I've also had the privilege of getting to play the course once many years ago.  I've also had the privilege of getting to play Bobby Jones's other course - Peachtree Golf Club - a few times.  It's similar to Augusta National in a lot of ways, but mostly because of its extremely fast and undulating greens.

 

All were amazing experiences, although we did get admonished for entering the grounds (Augusta National) before the member we were playing with showed up.  We had to leave the grounds and wait to enter until he showed up.  But they were very polite about it.  The look on my then boss's face, not a man used to taking orders, makes me laugh out loud just thinking about it.  Turns out that the member knew about this rule but purposely didn't tell him as a joke.  The two of them were roommates in college, so it was all in good fun.

 

So anyway, I really do like the Masters and appreciate its place in golfing history.  At some point, though, I suspect its mystique and marketing luster will wear off (just like the green spray paint they use to hide the brown patches eventually wears off) and it might lose its status as a major tournament.  Bobby Jones has been dead for 50 years, but there are still many who remember him when he was alive.  At some point, all of us will be dead, too, and his mythology will fade over time.  Maybe then.

 

 

 

 

Curious, given your first hand experience, how you can ignore the mountains of evidence to the contrary and somehow believe that the Masters fade away.

 

This thread is a perfect example. Jack met Bobby Jones in person and has said he was his idol. Yet he says it’s the least significant major. 
 

Fast forward decades later and players young enough to be easily be Jack’s grand children now view the Masters as by far the most desirable Major and Augusta as the best Major venue. 

 

 

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.golfdigest.com/story/what-pga-tour-pros-really-think-2020-player-survey/amp

Edited September 12, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Christosterone]

14 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

Some are obtuse.

I seem obtuse but only because my points are oblique.

 

-chris

[Hawkeye77]

5 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

 

Curious, given your first hand experience, how you can ignore the mountains of contrary evidence and somehow believe that the Masters fade away.

 

This thread is a perfect example. Jack met Bobby Jones in person and has said he was his idol. Yet here he says it’s the least significant major. 
 

Fast forward decades later and players young enough to be easily be Jack’s grand children now view the Masters as by far the most desirable Major and Augusta as the best Major venue. 

 

 

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.golfdigest.com/story/what-pga-tour-pros-really-think-2020-player-survey/amp

LOL, yep, only folks with low IQs must enjoy the Masters! Lucky there are lots of us! Apparently in overwhelming numbers. Some folks really don’t get golf history and all that goes with it. 

Edited September 12, 2021 by Hawkeye77

[bscinstnct]

26 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

LOL, yep, only folks with low IQs must enjoy the Masters! Lucky there are lots of us! Apparently in overwhelming numbers. Some folks really don’t get golf history and all that goes with it. 

 

Me IQ be like

 

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/13314a6e-78d0-4d6e-8555-0b8f494bfca3

 

 

[miamistomp]

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by miamistomp

[Naptime]

If we assign points to the majors aligning with Jack's order (USO = 4; BO = 3; PGA = 2; M = 1) we get (4x4=16) + (3x3=9) + (5x2=10) + (6x1=6) = 41.

 

Applying Jack's order to Tiger's major wins we get (3x4=12) + (3x3=9) + (4x2=8) + (5x1=5) = 34.

 

Looking at modern era golfers, which I'm arbitrarily defining as TV era.  In each case, the US Open and the British Open represent a smaller percentage of their respective major victories.  In that light, Tom Watson's 5 Open championships is quite an accomplishment.  I suspect with the Masters that the course either suits a player's game or it doesn't, so a winner may have an edge in subsequent years.

 

The numbers are quite small so none of this is likely to be statistically valid.

 

[TiScape]

5 hours ago, Christosterone said:

I seem obtuse but only because my points are oblique.

 

-chris

I worked my obliques on Friday! 🤪 I don’t have a very high IQ. So I compensate with my physical appearance 😞 

My majors ranking (just based on enjoyment of watching) are:

1-The Masters

2-The US Open

3-The Open Championship 

4-The PGA Championship 

Edited September 12, 2021 by TiScape

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, TiScape said:

I worked my obliques on Friday! 🤪 I don’t have a very high IQ. So I compensate with my physical appearance 😞 

My majors ranking (just based on enjoyment of watching) are:

1-The Masters

2-The US Open

3-The Open Championship 

4-The PGA Championship 

 

I rank according to food!

 

1. Masters-wings, bbq, all tastiest

2. Open-is in morning so bacon and eggs and coffee, nice

3. US Open-pretty good, like roast beef hero

4. PGA Championship ? What is it? Did they just invent it?

 

Speaking of obliques, my IQ so low I gave my own thigh a “charley horse” doing side crunch during a cardio workout 🤣

 

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Obee]

On 9/10/2021 at 4:18 PM, Mustard_Tiger said:

It's too bad the U.S. Open is tainted by the USGA's incompetence. I'm an American but in no way do I consider it the most important major.

 

 

I hope things change under Mike Whan's leadership.

 

 

 

In what way is the USGA incompetent in hosting the U.S. Open? Is it just that it sometimes gets in wrong in course set-up in trying to make it super-tough? Or?