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I've never played matching set wedges and probably never will.  Boutique and JDM wedges are a notch above any of the major OEMs here IMO because they tend to pay more attention to detail, are softer in feel and are customizable. 

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I previously would only play irons that had wedges to L wedge.  Cobra Amp Cell, Callaway, Ping i25s, etc.  

 

Up until recently when going back to some old school blades 5-9 I put in 4 Vokeys to cover from PW to LW.  It was a minor adjustment period, with my 46 and 52(52 or GW/AW no matter what set has never been a strong club with me.  I've always either babied it or hit too hard, a really weird inbetween club for me) but my first day out with the vokey's and I short sided myself on a long par 3.  Left myself on the fringe that having to putt would take me from fringe to green to fringe almost by first cut, to green and down the slide slope of the hill.  previously I would have just played my L wedge and bumped it in hopes of it checking a little bit leaving a 5-6 footer uphill (green slopes hard where I was at).  I decided to take my 60, open it up and really clip it playing a low flop that would land soft, check and trickle to the hole(hero shot).  Long story short, I pulled it off and left the ball inches from the hole.  I could not have done that with any set wedge and i was good with them.  From that shot on, I will always have a specialty wedge for the sand and lob.

Driver:  Taylor Made SIM 2 Max D w Ventus Blue 5🇺🇸 Shaft tipped 1 inch

Fairway Wood: 2014 Adams Tight Lies 14* 3 Wood w PROformance 80g X Shaft tipped 1 inch

                           2015 Adams Tight Lies 22* 7 Wood w Mitsubishi Rayon Kuro Kage 65g shaft tipped 1 inch

Irons:  2014 Taylor Made Tour Preferred MC w KBS Tour S shafts 4-PW                      
Wedges: 2014 Taylor Made Tour Preferred 52,56(Tour grind), 58(ATV grind) w KBS Tour V Wedge flex

Grips:   Kingrasp Midsize Composite Rubber (Budget Iomic - Amazon)
Putter:  Bastain Milled Fusion Golf Prototype 1 of 1 Plumbers Neck w Custom DTG Smoke Shaft @ 33.75" w Super Stroke GTR 1.0
Ball:  Kirkland Signature V3.2

Bag: 2020 Ping Hoofer Lite

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I kind of do this. I guess the direct match for my wedges would be the Honma Rose Proto but the TW747v and the TW-W blend nicely and the profiles on the shafts (Modus 105 and Modus 125, respectively) match up. Both are forged from the same S20C (so 1020) steel and have similar balance and feel. However, most iron companies don’t have wedges that match iron sets. 

Mizuno ST190G 9° w/ Fujikura Evolution II 661 Stiff

Mizuno ST200 TS 15° w/ Fujikura Evolution II 661 Stiff

Titleist 917F2 18° w/ Fujikura Evolution II 661 Stiff

Titleist 816H1 21° w/ Fujikura Motore Speeder TS 8.8 Stiff

Honma TW747v 4-10 w/ Nippon Modus 105 Stiff

Honma TW W4 50°(9°)/54°(10°)/58°(8°) w/ Nippon Modus 125

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I play all the way to gap wedge in a matched set.  I only play full shots with them (other than the occasional punch shot to get out of trouble) so I want them to match my irons.  SW and LW are actual wedges and I chip, pitch, and of lower yardage full shots.  I had a matching SW in my Apex 19 irons and that thing was hot and impossible for me to chip or hit pitch shots consistently with it.  

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I generally play the "set" PW these days as it's a traditional 9 or 8 iron (depending on how far you want to go back) and selection is pretty limited for anything less than 48*.

 

My philosophy for decades has been that the short game is a different game and approached as such. This includes the tools you use to maximize your short game performance. It is well worth whatever it costs you to be fit for your wedges and use what they recommend for your game.

TaylorMade JDM SLDR TP 430 10*           Diamana X17 60X

TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15*                           Diamana ZF 80TX

Bridgestone J33 AirMuscle 18*                 Velyx Rome Wildeye 988X
MIURA CB 57  4-6                                     MCI MMT-125TX

MIURA MB-001  7-P                                  MCI MMT-125TX
Chikara V1 Proto  52, 57, 60                      MCI MMT-125TX (8-iron)

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On 9/14/2021 at 4:30 AM, playit said:

Who does this... your wedges are part of your matched set of irons? Do you feel that your matched set wedges are just as good as unmatched wedges or do you just like the look of a matched set?

 

It depends on the iron set.  More players oriented sets typically don't even offer wedges beyond the gap wedge.  GI irons sets often do but a lot of people break the set at the SW and LW because a blade type wedge is more versatile in terms of hitting flop shots and/or opening the face for a bunker shot.  If you never open the face then I think it's okay to stick with the set clubs.  

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Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 4 wood w/Aldila Rogue Black 70S
Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
Ping Glide 55/60 wedges w/Recoil 110S
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I used a set of Nike pro cavities that went down to a 50 deg GW and a 55 deg SW. The SW worked well from the fairway, rough and chipping but not so well from the sand. My 60 deg LW wasn’t very good from the sand as it lacked bounce. For me with my current set of Honma TWX irons, l would like to have the 11 club to match at 49 deg and then SW/LW at 54 and 58/60. Can’t find the Honma 11. 

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I like having matched wedges for the same look/feel.  Specialty wedges are fine, but I find that I'm more consistent with matched...

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PING ie1 (5-UW)

PING Eye2 XG (SW/LW)

PING Vault 2.0 Piper

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Callaway GBB Hawk Eye (3/5/7)

PING Eye2 PAT PENDING (4-PW)

PING Eye2 XG (SW/LW)

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Golfers who play mainly square-face wedge shots often do well with wedges of the iron set.

 

And, some set wedges fly better than others for given golfers.

What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2021, post-MAX changeover)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, set 9.5°; weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip

Ball: 1. Srixon Q-Star Tour / 2. Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

For details see:  Pending (need protocol to embed file list).

     * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

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Just put in an order for a ZX7 AW yesterday which will be my first Gap Wedge that matches my iron set.

 

I’m going this route for 2 reasons:

 

1) Am absolutely loving the feel and control of the ZX7 irons and PW, and have heard the A-Wedge is just as good

 

2) I have been having issues with the RTX Zipcore GW’s I have tried this year (50* and 52*) spinning way too much, launching too high, and losing distance because of it.

 

Can’t wait to receive the ZX7 A-Wedge…have a feeling it’s going to be a great fit!

TaylorMade SIM 2 Max (10.5*) / Ventus Blue 6-S

TaylorMade SIM 2 Ti (15.75*) / Tensei AV Blue 70 S

TaylorMade SIM Max (19*) / Ventus Blue 7-S

TaylorMade SIM Max (22*) / Ventus Blue 7-S

Srixon ZX5 (5), ZX7 (6-AW) / Modus3 Tour 120

TaylorMade MG3 (56-SB & 60-LB) / Dynamic Gold S200

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1 hour ago, BallerNate said:

Just put in an order for a ZX7 AW yesterday which will be my first Gap Wedge that matches my iron set.

 

I’m going this route for 2 reasons:

 

1) Am absolutely loving the feel and control of the ZX7 irons and PW, and have heard the A-Wedge is just as good

 

2) I have been having issues with the RTX Zipcore GW’s I have tried this year (50* and 52*) spinning way too much, launching too high, and losing distance because of it.

 

Can’t wait to receive the ZX7 A-Wedge…have a feeling it’s going to be a great fit!

It doesn’t match!

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I just bought a Cleveland approach wedge that doesn't match a damn thing, but it's a 48* that I hope fits between the 44* PW and my 52* gap wedge.

 

Of course my irons don't get here until mid November, so the A wedge will get plenty of testing time.

Taylormade M3 driver Mitsubishi Kuro Kage TiNi 70G shaft (cut to 44.5")

Honma XP-1 3 wood 

Taylormade M1 5 wood

Taylormade GAPR Lo 19* Hybrid 

Byrdie Golf Designs split cavity 4-PW

Mitsubishi Kuro Kage 80g iron shafts

Lazrus 52/8 and 56/12 wedges

Nike Blue Chip 002 putter

Golf Pride Concept Helix grips

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

It doesn’t match!

Fair enough, I looked up some pictures and it definitely looks different cosmetically.
 

Is the feel and performance very different? Did you like it?

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TaylorMade SIM Max (19*) / Ventus Blue 7-S

TaylorMade SIM Max (22*) / Ventus Blue 7-S

Srixon ZX5 (5), ZX7 (6-AW) / Modus3 Tour 120

TaylorMade MG3 (56-SB & 60-LB) / Dynamic Gold S200

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Always played specialist sw and lw, but use set wedges for pw and gw. Considering moving the gw to match my sw and lw at the moment.

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Ping G 17.5
Taylormade Rescue Dual 22°
Ping G410 4-UW
Vokey SM7 56°/14° and 60°/10°
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Had a gap wedge that matched, but found that it was too hot. I’d never had a matching gap wedge and wanted to try it out. Ended up getting a Vokey to replace it. 

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TM Sim2 Max 15.0 Ventus Black Velocore 7x

TM M3 19.0 Diamana WB 80x

TM 2019 P790 4-P Project X 6.5 Taper

Vokey Sm8 50F 60M Project X 6.0 Taper

Cleveland Zipcore 54 Project X 6.0 Taper

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Up till this year I've only played PW in iron set, but now I bought the gap wedge ("U") in my G425s.

It has 49,5 degrees loft and gaps perfectly between the G425 PW and my 54 degree wedge.

I really like it for full shots and around the green if i is wet. 

(Or the lie is such that I feel that the 54 degree wedge can't get to the ball well.)

Ping G400 SFT 10°

Ping G400 SFT 3W 16° set to 15°

Ping G400 SFT 5W 19° set to 18°

Ping G400 SFT 7W 22° set to 21°

Ping G425 6-UW

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Ping Gorge Tour 56°

Ping Glide 3.0 58°

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5 hours ago, BallerNate said:

Fair enough, I looked up some pictures and it definitely looks different cosmetically.
 

Is the feel and performance very different? Did you like it?

I play the AW. I too replaced the 50 degree RTX4.

 

Works for me. The AW is a full swing club for me. For that it serves its purpose. Slightly easier to hit than the Cleveland.

 

I rarely use anything other than 54 or 58 Zipcore for chipping. I don’t like the AW for chipping, it doesn’t seem to interact with the ground as well as the specialty wedges.

 

It’s true the AW doesn’t math the design of the ZX7s but it’s a good transition from the irons to the Zipcores

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Callaway BB Alpha 816 16*
Srixon Z H45 19* Hybrid
Srixon Z U45 23* Utility
Srixon ZX7 5 - AW
Cleveland RTX Zipcore Mid Grind 54 & 58
TaylorMade Spider Tour Black
Callaway Chrome Soft X LS

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It’s a long time since I have seen a set matched SW in the wild. I remember being a Junior and having one but not since then. There are definitely benefits of having a specialised wedge but cynically, I suspect that the OEM realising they could make more money from them was a major reason as to why SW seemed to disappear from a standard set just in the same way that 3 irons did the same.

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Titleist 915Fd 15*
Titleist U510 1 Iron
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1 hour ago, anth said:

I play the AW. I too replaced the 50 degree RTX4.

 

Works for me. The AW is a full swing club for me. For that it serves its purpose. Slightly easier to hit than the Cleveland.

 

I rarely use anything other than 54 or 58 Zipcore for chipping. I don’t like the AW for chipping, it doesn’t seem to interact with the ground as well as the specialty wedges.

 

It’s true the AW doesn’t math the design of the ZX7s but it’s a good transition from the irons to the Zipcores

Thanks for the feedback, very good to know.

 

We’ll see how it goes with the ZX7 AW, looking forward to trying it out.

 

I’ve just found the Zipcore GW very difficult to get any stock yardages from on full swings because the fuller the swing, the more it spins and launches towards the moon.

 

I’ve gone to the PW, 52, 58 setup, so it puts a lot of pressure on the GW and needs to be a very versatile club, and without being able to consistently hit full swings, it just doesn’t work the way I need it to.

TaylorMade SIM 2 Max (10.5*) / Ventus Blue 6-S

TaylorMade SIM 2 Ti (15.75*) / Tensei AV Blue 70 S

TaylorMade SIM Max (19*) / Ventus Blue 7-S

TaylorMade SIM Max (22*) / Ventus Blue 7-S

Srixon ZX5 (5), ZX7 (6-AW) / Modus3 Tour 120

TaylorMade MG3 (56-SB & 60-LB) / Dynamic Gold S200

Scotty Cameron Special Select Newport 2 (36")

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7 hours ago, BallerNate said:

Fair enough, I looked up some pictures and it definitely looks different cosmetically.
 

Is the feel and performance very different? Did you like it?

It’s a really nice wedge but it’s definitely a completely different club than the rest of the irons. I thought the feel was really nice and the performance fine but it didn’t knock my existing 50 degree wedge out of the bag.  Wish it had been more like the rest of the zx7 irons, it was different enough that it kind of stuck out in feel moving from PW to AW then to my 54 degree. Others love it!

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I use what looks good to my eye and performs best in the conditions I regularly play in.  I must have 20 wedges in my basement and 5 in my locker at my club.  Always tinkering.  Just my 50* is the same OEM as my irons.  I've got Cleveland, Titleist, Scratch, Miura and others sitting around.

Callaway Mavrik SZ - Mitsubishi MMT 70
Callaway X2 Hot Pro 3W - Aldila Tour Green
Callaway Epic SZ 5W - Aldila Tour Blue
Honma TW 747v 4-10 - Accra 80i
Honma TW 50*

Vokey SM6 54*

Scratch 8620 58*
Tour Cameron NP2

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

It’s a really nice wedge but it’s definitely a completely different club than the rest of the irons. I thought the feel was really nice and the performance fine but it didn’t knock my existing 50 degree wedge out of the bag.  Wish it had been more like the rest of the zx7 irons, it was different enough that it kind of stuck out in feel moving from PW to AW then to my 54 degree. Others love it!

Very interesting, good to know.

 

I wonder why they didn’t make the AW like the PW and the rest of the set that are already so good?

 

Well, I’ll give it a shot and see how it works for me. The GW spot has been a very tricky one for me to fill, so crossing my fingers this will be the right solution!

TaylorMade SIM 2 Max (10.5*) / Ventus Blue 6-S

TaylorMade SIM 2 Ti (15.75*) / Tensei AV Blue 70 S

TaylorMade SIM Max (19*) / Ventus Blue 7-S

TaylorMade SIM Max (22*) / Ventus Blue 7-S

Srixon ZX5 (5), ZX7 (6-AW) / Modus3 Tour 120

TaylorMade MG3 (56-SB & 60-LB) / Dynamic Gold S200

Scotty Cameron Special Select Newport 2 (36")

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Always been a Vokey fan. I play PW, GW, SW, + LW in the same head/shaft. Gives me a consistent look + Feel those clubs.

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Driver: 2017 Taylormade M1 8.5 w/ HZRDUS Yellow 6.5

Fairway Wood: Sim Max 3w w/ HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 6.5

Irons: 710 AP2 w/ True Temper DG X100

Wedges: Vokey SM6 set (52/56/60) w/ True Temper DG X100

Putters: Bettinardi BB1

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I played from 1994 to 2008 with a set of component irons, which included P, S and L wedges.

 

During my 2008 full-bag switchout, I noticed that Players irons models, and lot of the Game Improvement irons, stopped at PW. The implied cachet was that if you play irons this good, you deserve specialty wedges.

 

Today, many "better player" sets now offer a GW/AW.

 

A couple of years back I went to the Thanksgiving clearance sale for the Gateway PGA chapter (St. Louis). I talked to an assistant pro from an upscale club on how specialty wedge sales were going. He said SWs and LWs were great... but they only carried one or two GWs because most players just used those with their iron sets.

 

Quite a few players use the iron set PW and AW because they hit full shots with them. Then, they get specialty grinds on SW and LW because they only hit partials with them.

What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2021, post-MAX changeover)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, set 9.5°; weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip

Ball: 1. Srixon Q-Star Tour / 2. Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

For details see:  Pending (need protocol to embed file list).

     * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

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