New Left Dash Competitors?

[Billfitz]

On 9/19/2021 at 4:03 PM, butterysnaphook said:

I’d say Bryson is already using a different ball than what’s on the shelves.

No one can use a ball that's not on the USGA-R&A approved list. No manufacturer is going to go through that approval process for a ball that they're not going to sell. That wouldn't exactly be a profitable move, and profit is why they make balls.

[cardigan]

4 hours ago, Billfitz said:

No one can use a ball that's not on the USGA-R&A approved list. No manufacturer is going to go through that approval process for a ball that they're not going to sell. That wouldn't exactly be a profitable move, and profit is why they make balls.

There are a bunch of balls on the conforming list that aren't available for retail.  It's not uncommon.  The left dash was available to tour players for years before Titleist made it available for the retail market.  Same with the left dot and it remains to be seen whether or not it will become a permanent retail option in the future.  Titleist folks openly discuss these things in articles and interviews.    There is also a Prov V1 Star out there but every time I've read about it, Titleist folks have said that it's extremely unlikely that it will ever go to retail. 

 

https://www.golfwrx.com/659794/titleist-pro-v1-left-dot-in-latest-limited-run-cpo-offering/

 

https://www.pgatour.com/equipmentreport/2019/09/10/here-is-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-titleist-pro-v1x-left-dash-golf-ball-equipment.html 

Edited October 8, 2021 by cardigan

[Londo]

11 hours ago, cardigan said:

There are a bunch of balls on the conforming list that aren't available for retail.  It's not uncommon.  The left dash was available to tour players for years before Titleist made it available for the retail market.  Same with the left dot and it remains to be seen whether or not it will become a permanent retail option in the future.  Titleist folks openly discuss these things in articles and interviews.    There is also a Prov V1 Star out there but every time I've read about it, Titleist folks have said that it's extremely unlikely that it will ever go to retail. 

 

https://www.golfwrx.com/659794/titleist-pro-v1-left-dot-in-latest-limited-run-cpo-offering/

 

https://www.pgatour.com/equipmentreport/2019/09/10/here-is-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-titleist-pro-v1x-left-dash-golf-ball-equipment.html 

Exactly, Left Dot has been around since 2013, I think the reasoning behind releasing the Dot is because Titleist believes that between 5-10% of their consumers would be fit into it, which is actually a substantial amount. In that same study they did, less than 1% of golfers would be fit to the Star (basically a super high spin Pro V1), its very unlikely the Star will ever become a retail CPO

[RightHandRough]

On 10/8/2021 at 7:35 AM, Londo said:

Exactly, Left Dot has been around since 2013, I think the reasoning behind releasing the Dot is because Titleist believes that between 5-10% of their consumers would be fit into it, which is actually a substantial amount. 

Agree strongly with this statement. I'm wondering if maybe the AVX would be on the way out as it doesn't share the PROV name and be replaced by the Dot, with the Tour Speed still available for those wanting a softer urethane ball. The AVX has always felt like a miss to me with the niche it fits and with its branding.

[The Pearl]

1 hour ago, RightHandRough said:

Agree strongly with this statement. I'm wondering if maybe the AVX would be on the way out as it doesn't share the PROV name and be replaced by the Dot, with the Tour Speed still available for those wanting a softer urethane ball. The AVX has always felt like a miss to me with the niche it fits and with its branding.

I am wondering if they would simply soften the Left Dot up a bit without any sacrifice in performance? At least to me, the 2021 V1 and V1X were "softened" up relative to previous models.  The Left Dot feels a bit hard.  If they could trim it back a bit, than the AVX could maybe evaporate away?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

[RightHandRough]

8 minutes ago, The Pearl said:

I am wondering if they would simply soften the Left Dot up a bit without any sacrifice in performance? At least to me, the 2021 V1 and V1X were "softened" up relative to previous models.  The Left Dot feels a bit hard.  If they could trim it back a bit, than the AVX could maybe evaporate away?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

I've heard that a lot about the Left Dot, just not sure how you soften the ball without loosing the characteristics that people are loving about it. Firm is fast, soft doesn't spin etc.

[chippa13]

2 hours ago, RightHandRough said:

Agree strongly with this statement. I'm wondering if maybe the AVX would be on the way out as it doesn't share the PROV name and be replaced by the Dot, with the Tour Speed still available for those wanting a softer urethane ball. The AVX has always felt like a miss to me with the niche it fits and with its branding.

AVX branding is actually a little clever. Not a ProVx, but Amateur VX.

[The Pearl]

1 hour ago, RightHandRough said:

I've heard that a lot about the Left Dot, just not sure how you soften the ball without loosing the characteristics that people are loving about it. Firm is fast, soft doesn't spin etc.

 

Yep.

[cardigan]

1 hour ago, chippa13 said:

AVX branding is actually a little clever. Not a ProVx, but Amateur VX.

That's good but everything I've seen indicates that it means alternative to the the ProV1 and ProV1x.  I doubt that it goes away unless sales are really poor for what Titleist wants to get in that market segment (not compared to the ProV1 and ProV1x sales).

[BostonWRX]

6 hours ago, RightHandRough said:

Agree strongly with this statement. I'm wondering if maybe the AVX would be on the way out as it doesn't share the PROV name and be replaced by the Dot, with the Tour Speed still available for those wanting a softer urethane ball. The AVX has always felt like a miss to me with the niche it fits and with its branding.

Hope not I’m loving the new avx. 

[Londo]

On 10/9/2021 at 12:56 PM, chippa13 said:

AVX branding is actually a little clever. Not a ProVx, but Amateur VX.

Aren't the properties of the AVX and ProV1x completely different though? AVX-low traj, low spin ProV1x-high traj, high spin? I feel like that is more confusing marketing if you are tying the two together

[mogc60]

On 10/7/2021 at 2:31 PM, bobfoster said:

Wow - you played the Dot? That was a limited release to the public (or so I think I heard somewhere), wasn't sure Titleist had even decided to make it widely available going forward. How did it compare to the Dash?

Dot, dash, can’t they just come up with a new name? V1XX, V1XXX, V11V 

 

[bobfoster]

35 minutes ago, mogc60 said:

Dot, dash, can’t they just come up with a new name? V1XX, V1XXX, V11V 

 

I think I was at Super Bowl V1XXX 🤣

[tsecor]

On 10/7/2021 at 4:31 PM, bobfoster said:

Wow - you played the Dot? That was a limited release to the public (or so I think I heard somewhere), wasn't sure Titleist had even decided to make it widely available going forward. How did it compare to the Dash?

I played DASH earlier in the season and DOT the day after the limited release came out.

 

for me, the DASH was a beast off the tee....this ball actually went 15 yards further for me and it wasnt just marketing hype...it flew very far. into the greens and around the greens, this ball was hard for me to play. Mainly because its so "hard" and borderline harsh feeling.  I also had issues with roll out. I could get used to it and if you are into pure distance, this is for you. Its a great ball, just not for me.

 

THE DOT - This ball matches and a lot of the time exceeded the DASH in terms of driver distance, or it seemed to. I think the trajectory was much better which makes it sem longer but the reality is this thing flies far, straight and the trajectory is perfect.  the FEEL is amazing as well. No harsh feels, especially off the irons into the green.  In terms of overall playability, this ball makes a lot of others look silly. I love this ball and I tested 10 different balls thi summer. This and the CSX were 1 & 2 with the regular prov1 in 3rd. But the regular prov1 was waaaay shorter off the tee than the left dot. 1 club difference on average with sometimes 2 clubs when i really catch it.

 

if left dot was readily available, id buy 50 dozen just so i never run out. to me, it was heads and shoulders above all the other balls i tested. Those include TP5 /TP5X/ CS/BSX/Prov1x/CSX/LEFT DASH/ BX

 

only the 3 i listed worked really well for me...

[phizzy30]

36 minutes ago, tsecor said:

I played DASH earlier in the season and DOT the day after the limited release came out.

 

for me, the DASH was a beast off the tee....this ball actually went 15 yards further for me and it wasnt just marketing hype...it flew very far. into the greens and around the greens, this ball was hard for me to play. Mainly because its so "hard" and borderline harsh feeling.  I also had issues with roll out. I could get used to it and if you are into pure distance, this is for you. Its a great ball, just not for me.

 

THE DOT - This ball matches and a lot of the time exceeded the DASH in terms of driver distance, or it seemed to. I think the trajectory was much better which makes it sem longer but the reality is this thing flies far, straight and the trajectory is perfect.  the FEEL is amazing as well. No harsh feels, especially off the irons into the green.  In terms of overall playability, this ball makes a lot of others look silly. I love this ball and I tested 10 different balls thi summer. This and the CSX were 1 & 2 with the regular prov1 in 3rd. But the regular prov1 was waaaay shorter off the tee than the left dot. 1 club difference on average with sometimes 2 clubs when i really catch it.

 

if left dot was readily available, id buy 50 dozen just so i never run out. to me, it was heads and shoulders above all the other balls i tested. Those include TP5 /TP5X/ CS/BSX/Prov1x/CSX/LEFT DASH/ BX

 

only the 3 i listed worked really well for me...

Go to titleist.com and click on balls.  The left dot is now available for 50 a dozen.  You can thank me later. 

[LeftyMatt24]

Already out of stock 

[elwhippy]

I imagine the production runs are really small. A niche product. Bet we don't see any in the UK.

[endy]

8 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

Go to titleist.com and click on balls.  The left dot is now available for 50 a dozen.  You can thank me later. 

Damn wish I would have seen this earlier 😭

[Jsp3316]

Any upcoming ball releases to compete with the left dash?

[phizzy30]

22 hours ago, Jsp3316 said:

Any upcoming ball releases to compete with the left dash?

Not that I'm aware of but try the CSX LS and B X which would be the closest competitors to the left dash.