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Looking for input. I have played golf decently for over 40 years. Laid off awhile but with practice can get to single digit hc. I work on my own clubs and like to tinker and always changing clubs.

I have never been fitted but have an idea on what works best for me. Would going through a professional fitting be a waste of time as if I get fitted irons, most likely would still want to tinker.

Or would at least knowing what works best be beneficial for future? I'm over 60 and swing speed not what it was, so regular flex shafts are in my future. Thinking about going to PXG to at least get fitted.

Thanks for any input and help. 

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I'm 66 and recently went to regular shafts and it's great!  I also like to tinker, not so much with my clubs but with my swing.  I'm a high single digit cap and change my swing about every 2 to 3 weeks just for fun.  I've been playing golf for about 12 years.  I was fitted at Ping about 11 years ago.  I've not changed the fit numbers since then.  When I was fitted it was more of a "your fit numbers are between here and here. Anything in there is fine".  

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I think it depends on what you mean when you say "tinker".

 

If you're constantly messing with the lofts, lie angles, lengths, and etc. then yes I think it would be a big waste of time. 

 

However, if by tinker you just mean that you try different clubs then a fitting isn't the worst idea. At least you'll have a good idea as to what is best for you in terms of shaft flex, lie angle, and those things. You could still experiment with different clubs at that point as long as you remain consistent with the specs that work for you. 

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37 minutes ago, dwb7272 said:

Looking for input. I have played golf decently for over 40 years. Laid off awhile but with practice can get to single digit hc. I work on my own clubs and like to tinker and always changing clubs.

I have never been fitted but have an idea on what works best for me. Would going through a professional fitting be a waste of time as if I get fitted irons, most likely would still want to tinker.

Or would at least knowing what works best be beneficial for future? I'm over 60 and swing speed not what it was, so regular flex shafts are in my future. Thinking about going to PXG to at least get fitted.

Thanks for any input and help. 

 

When you say fitting keep in mind that's a very broad term that encompasses a lot of services.

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I think there is value in having your swing looked at and have things like shaft length and flex along with lie angle adjusted.

 

You could then try all the shafts you want knowing what SHOULD work based on specs.

 

But shaft length and lie angle should be pretty static.

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3 minutes ago, Nixhex524 said:

It depends on who fits you.  I think spending time with a real top notch fitter could be beneficial, but most times, if you already know what works for you and what you like, you won't need it.  I was fit by a Titleist fitter for a driver and it was a decent experience, but I have since found better combinations for me on the course, which is the most important of all.  

 

 

Sorry for the long winded post but the short answer is, no.  I do not think a fitting is necessary for someone who knows what they like, knows what works, and likes to tinker/build anyway.  I am pretty much in the "fittings are overrated" camp right now.  If we were on tour and getting the exact fit for each and every club, yes, worth it.  The fittings we get....  are just about sales IMO unfortunately.  

 

Nix gets at the essential points in this thread. Is it necessary? No, its not necessary and if you get a poor fitting it can be detrimental. You **** away money and get a crappy product. It also has its benefits. It can be beneficial if you've never had a fitting and get a quality fitting. It can be beneficial if you get a really good fitter who can use numbers to optimize what you are already working with and tailor clubs to your swing and the numbers.

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I'm a tinkerer as well and really like to curate my equipment personally, so the idea of letting someone else pick out a bunch of clubs for me is antithetical to my nature.

 

But, I'd say I've learned something from every fitting experience I've had - whether it was done with someone very good, or just some product rep at a demo day. The more you know about your own swing the various equipment that is out there, the better you are able to fit yourself, IMHO.

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I think the initial fitting helps and creates a baseline for you going forward. As long as you understand what you were fit for and why, you can then go on and tinker on your own because you know what specs you should be using.

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2 hours ago, Circaflex said:

I think the initial fitting helps and creates a baseline for you going forward. As long as you understand what you were fit for and why, you can then go on and tinker on your own because you know what specs you should be using.

 

yes basically this. It's always helpful to know what works best for you so you can get as close to that as possible when you purchase something new

 

I'm a degenerate who basically lives on Callaway PreOwned. But i know what specs fit me

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Blasphemy here, I know, but I have never been fit once and I've played some pretty good golf over my lifetime.

 

First of all, I have a bit of knowledge on how big box fitters get their gigs, and while it's possible to find a diamond in the rough employee who truly knows what they are doing and are great at it, most are less knowledgeable than the average WRXer.  Case in point, I was in an unnamed big box only a few weeks ago, asked the guy there if they had a Ventus Black in the fitting bay and he asked me what that was.  I just said never mind and kept it moving.  If you found this little corner of the internet, you likely know what you're doing, or at minimum, what you like and what you don't.

 

As for me personally, my measurements are basically the average American male when it comes to height, weight, etc.  So standard LLL will never be that far off, for me anyway.  If you are tall or short, I can see getting a length and lie recommendation at least once and using that for any future decisions/tinkers.

 

I think the most bang for your buck in regards to fitting is being able to try different head/shaft combos, but even the couple of times I've done that, I truly felt like I could read the subtle differences in numbers better than the fitter could.  So I guess technically I've had a couple fittings because to get to try stuff out you have to sign up for a 'fitting', but I analyzed everything myself and was more just paying to demo rather than get fit.  All the fitter knew was spin too high/low, try this, launch too high/low, try that.

 

Now all that being said ... real, true, hard working and knowledgeable fitters I can totally see being worth their weight in gold.  I've just personally never been fortunate enough to go down that road.

 

 

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6 hours ago, dwb7272 said:

Looking for input. I have played golf decently for over 40 years. Laid off awhile but with practice can get to single digit hc. I work on my own clubs and like to tinker and always changing clubs.

I have never been fitted but have an idea on what works best for me. Would going through a professional fitting be a waste of time as if I get fitted irons, most likely would still want to tinker.

Or would at least knowing what works best be beneficial for future? I'm over 60 and swing speed not what it was, so regular flex shafts are in my future. Thinking about going to PXG to at least get fitted.

Thanks for any input and help. 


There at good and far from good club fitters out there, so if you are able to do some club making on your own, read my DIY driver tune up, and use that for ALL clubs in the bag. That will help you to make it better than most places you can find. The DIY contains info on tasks only a few club fitters takes care of at all, and its NO advanced tools needed. This DIY is good knowledge no matter what you choose to do, so if you later go for a club fitting, you will already know what should be taken care of in a real club fitting, and if you dont get that, you know you went to the wrong place.
 

 

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Am currently 63 & have been tinkering with clubs well over 12 years.  Two years ago was my very first fitting.  When I scheduled it, I stated that I had built my own set and my only expectations from the fitting was to see if I was even in the ballpark on the work I had done.  When I went in for the fitting, an employee had called in sick that day so the fitter would occasionally have to help out in the store.  It was an entire bag fitting & due to the store situation it was just under 3 hours for what was to be an hour & a half fitting.  The fitter never had me use any clubs but my own.  It was all done on a simulator (except for the putting).  Even my favorite ball was covered in the fitting.  Every club was used & I believe he had me hit different types of shots with every club.  We did talk a fair amount & majority of it was him asking me about the how's & why's of where I was at with my equipment & the small knowledge I had.  Needless to say I did get some really good tips from him also.

 

My favorite part of the fitting was the final club, the putter.  I have an old center shaft Odyssey 2-balls putter with a black line down the center.  When I pulled it out he said that he never thought much of center shafted putters.  After he had me hit 3 balls to a specific spot he looked up and told me to never ever get rid of that putter.    I was currently using steel shafts in the irons, so he gave me recommendations of what to use if I went with graphite.  The only other recommendation was to experiment with the bounce on the 2 wedges I use (52 & 58).  When we were done he only charged me half the price.  To me this was just about the best investment I had ever made in golf.  Just the piece of mind to know what I was taught in the beginning & have built upon it from people like Howard Jones, Stuart G, & others on this site was & is invaluable.

 

That is my take on the question.

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2 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

 

yes basically this. It's always helpful to know what works best for you so you can get as close to that as possible when you purchase something new

 

I'm a degenerate who basically lives on Callaway PreOwned. But i know what specs fit me

 

Didn't we introduce you to CPO like last week sometime? Did you ever find a replacement Mavrik head?

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3 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

 

I believe it was 2-3 weeks ago good sir. And since then i have put their kids through college!

 

Yes, new Mavrik head, new 3 wood, new hybrid....I can't remember what else. Probably some other stuff in there.

 

There was a Mav SZ 13.5 3wood with a Aldila Rogue white 130 on there the other day for 130$

 

Like what am i supposed to do? Not buy that?

 

Dear god! Time moves fast on WRX.

 

I do like your style though, mon frer. To hell with half-measures.

 

And I feel you, there are a ton of great deals and interesting things to be found on CPO. Besides WRX it's another of my time-killers at work. 

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PXG was the best fitting I have ever had and it was on grass, the man was excellent and a ex pro and it showed. He was no BS and told me the truth and proved to me what was best for my swing at that time.

 To me getting fit off a mat is next to useless,  but all that being said I still tinker but use most of the specs I learned from the PXG guy. 

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I think its absolutely worth getting fit by a great fitter at least once.  You really learn what type of shafts and heads work for you.  You can take that and do what you want with it tinkering wise but I think its absolutely worth it. One thing I will say is that the only thing you need to ever judge your equipment by is "on course" results.  The fitting studio/range will never fully translate to what the equipment does for you when you see water/bunkers/trees. 

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Gonna give this one more bump because its a good topic, I'm not anti-tinker but do understand the value of fitting. The whole bag in the signature is built tinkering. I think I did pretty well minus the SW and LW, which were thought out for different conditions. The baby blades are a chore when it comes to ball striking but that's me not the build or club. Woods work pretty dang well, maybe I could pick up some yardage but I don't mind a little extra spin. 

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I enjoy the process of self fitting. I have some basic launch monitor numbers so I’m able to narrow down my shaft options. Outdoor testing is so much more valuable than indoor fittings. Plus my swing is ever evolving so what didn’t quite work a few swing changes ago might work wonders with my swing du jour.

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My preference is to fit myself.   Folks that tinker enough quickly learn what length/lie/flex works best for their game.  Beyond that it's a matter of personal preference.

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12 hours ago, Nessism said:

My preference is to fit myself.   Folks that tinker enough quickly learn what length/lie/flex works best for their game.  Beyond that it's a matter of personal preference.


Somewhat in the same boat myself.  I subscribe to “buy and try” theory.  What works, I keep.  What does not, I sell.

 

I was fit for irons years ago and still tend to that fitting when buying irons. Shaft flex & weight has changed as I get older.

 

Same with the driver as I was fit for a driver several times over the years.

 

 

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If you have never been fitted before I would say as a fellow tinkerer it would be valuable to see what your potential distance and accuracy potential is and go from there. It will also help you hone in what shafts would work best for you given your characteristics. Be prepared to hit alot of balls and wear your golf shoes and ask to use the golf ball you regularly play for the nest results if indoor. I have found sometimes the exact specs they fit me too just don't translate to the course for me personally but it definitely gives me a baseline for what clubhead, loft, and shaft work best for my swing. I have found once I locked in on something that was consistent my tinkering stopped. Still have a few clubs that I rotate in and out and see if they can replace a gamer club but for the most part my bag is dialed and I only swap hybrid or driving iron depending on the course and my swing that day.

 

There is some really amazing technology and equipment out now and it is alot of fun to try different things. Don't be afraid to speak up during the fitting if you want to try something the fitter doesn't recommend. Discuss ahead of time what you are hoping to achieve from your fitting. 

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I was fitted for fairway woods this summer and was able to narrow my choice down after hitting 5-10 manufacturers and a couple different shafts. The data on the TSi2 club was just superior in every regard to the other clubs, and I was surprised how much better it actually was. That helped my game tremendously and I purchased more Titleist clubs in that lineup. 

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“Fitting” and “tinkering” are not mutually exclusive

 

it helps to know you should be using 38.5” 2degree upright 5iron -

before you tinker

or that your club head speed with driver is 89mph - to help tinker with lightweight soft stiff - or heavier weight regular

 

if you know your spec - tinkering becomes more of a science

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It can be hard to look at yourself objectively.  It isn't unusual for guys to project what they want to be rather than what they really are.  Which means they will buy a stiffer flex than they should.

 

How good are you at tinkering?  Are you able to improve your swing?  Or are you lost?  If changes you make don't make sense a fitter may help sort things out.

 

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