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3 hours ago, playit said:

I'd like to know if pros can shape their driver shots with these modern big driver heads for draws/fades to fit the dogleg shapes. And what about mere mortals, amateurs?

All pros can.  It seems that most favor one predominant shape, but can still move it either way.

 

My son is an amateur college golfer and he works it both ways with ease.  I favor a fade and really have to work to draw it.  Just depends on what skills you work to develop.  Pro's and college golfers hit thousands of balls each week at specific targets/distances and try to do it with different shapes.  Most recreational golfers hit a few balls before they play and don't really work at it.  It's more fun to buy a new driver with a movable weight/hosel.

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10 hours ago, playit said:

I'd like to know if pros can shape their driver shots with these modern big driver heads for draws/fades to fit the dogleg shapes. And what about mere mortals, amateurs?

Modern golf theory basically says that players should only work driver one way… if you try to play a fade on one hole and a draw on the next, you are increasing the chances you’ll hit a double cross and be way outside your usual miss range.

 

id say all the pros can work it both ways, but most choose not to… even Bubba, as famed as he is for moving the ball, only works it one direction off the tee.

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I don't have any problem hitting fades or draws. All I do to go from fade to draw is move the ball forward in my stance two inches. That extra bit of swing before contact allows me to turn the club over. This isn't the only way to go from fade to draw, but for me it's the easiest way. I favor the fade because there's only one hole on my home course that works better with a draw.

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Do you think any pros would ever move the weight on a driver head to shape a shot?

Not during a round, as that's illegal. Rule 4-2 of the Rules of Golf states: “During a stipulated round, the playing characteristics of a club shall not be purposely changed.”

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As long as people are able to unintentionally hit monster hooks and giant slices, other people will be able to manufacture draws and fades.  Until they design a club that is utterly hook/slice proof, pros will be able to work the ball either way.

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The Pros can ABSOLUTELY work it both ways on command, but as mentioned above, like to stick with a stock shot for consistency. Back in the mid '90's, a local kid whose parents were friends of ours, was giving the mini-tour a run. He was a +5 cap and could hit the ball a mile. We were over visiting his folks (poker night) and he was hanging out with us. During a break, I asked how his game was going. He said it was a little off right now because he was learning how to draw the ball. My jaw almost hit the floor! Here's a +5 telling me he doesn't know how to hit a draw! I would have thought he had every shot in the book, but actually, he had gotten where he was playing his stock cut shot. Made me realize just how important it REALLY was to be able to work the ball both ways.

 

I CAN work the ball both ways. However, I prefer a slight cut with my driver & FWs and a slight draw with my irons. Just the way it is.

 

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7 hours ago, Myherobobhope said:

Modern golf theory basically says that players should only work driver one way… if you try to play a fade on one hole and a draw on the next, you are increasing the chances you’ll hit a double cross and be way outside your usual miss range.

 

id say all the pros can work it both ways, but most choose not to… even Bubba, as famed as he is for moving the ball, only works it one direction off the tee.

 

Ok, so what do the pros do when they reach a tight hole with trees in the way and it's a narrow chute to get down the fairway and it doglegs opposite of their normal shape? Say, it's a dogleg left and their bread n butter is a fade. They don't draw it and just hit their fade, but their fade is not much fade? (I tend to think that the shape of pro shots do not move very much as opposed to us mere mortals.) Or I guess they could just count on that hole not being a birdie hole for them.

 

I guess if a tree isn't in the way, they can just aim down the left treeline and fade back to the fairway on a dogleg left.

 

Seems I also recall Trevino trying to learn to draw so he could play the Masters well. I guess that would prove your point, lol. He didn't succeed.

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1 hour ago, playit said:

 

Ok, so what do the pros do when they reach a tight hole with trees in the way and it's a narrow chute to get down the fairway and it doglegs opposite of their normal shape? Say, it's a dogleg left and their bread n butter is a fade. They don't draw it and just hit their fade, but their fade is not much fade? (I tend to think that the shape of pro shots do not move very much as opposed to us mere mortals.) Or I guess they could just count on that hole not being a birdie hole for them.

 

I guess if a tree isn't in the way, they can just aim down the left treeline and fade back to the fairway on a dogleg left.

 

Seems I also recall Trevino trying to learn to draw so he could play the Masters well. I guess that would prove your point, lol. He didn't succeed.

Scott fawcett says basically to hit three wood and put it back in your stance for the draw… you aren’t changing your swing, just the point of impact…  Not everyone agrees with him, but Will Zalatoris hit three wood all four days at the masters when he needed a draw.

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6 hours ago, Myherobobhope said:

Scott fawcett says basically to hit three wood and put it back in your stance for the draw… you aren’t changing your swing, just the point of impact…  Not everyone agrees with him, but Will Zalatoris hit three wood all four days at the masters when he needed a draw.

This, the guy I get lessons from also recommends when faced with a tee shot that demands a different shot shape than my usual, I hit a fairway as they are a bit easier to work with control than the driver. 

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I hit fades, draws, slices, hooks all the time.  If im trying to actually do it is the real question 🤣

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I find moving the modern driver any more than 5 yards either way requires a lot of adjustment. Fine on wide open courses but can be limiting on older designs where shaping the ball is the best option. Modern balls don't help...you can see them trying to straighten out in flight. Would love to see heads drop back to 350 to 380cc and be more workable. 

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30 minutes ago, tannyhoban said:

If you ever have the opportunity watch the pros on the range.

 

Not all of them can move it any way they want, that’s a fallacy.

I disagree with this… I’m pretty sure most of them CAN work the ball both directions if needed… I’m an out of shape, mediocre 40 year old with a 5 handicap and I can work the ball both ways.

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23 minutes ago, Myherobobhope said:

I disagree with this… I’m pretty sure most of them CAN work the ball both directions if needed… I’m an out of shape, mediocre 40 year old with a 5 handicap and I can work the ball both ways.

They all can move it if forced to.  Many don't like to move it both ways.  They usually have a lot more at stake than your average joe so they play the shot shape they have the most confidence in.  Kenny Perry for example, likely never hit a fade unless it was really, really, really needed (likely never).

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They all can move it if forced to.  Many don't like to move it both ways.  They usually have a lot more at stake than your average joe so they play the shot shape they have the most confidence in.  Kenny Perry for example, likely never hit a fade unless it was really, really, really needed (likely never).

Just to be clear, I don’t think many work it on the course… I think the days of working the ball are mostly past.

 

that said, all of them can hit a functional shot the other way opposite their regular shot shape… it’s not that hard. 

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1 hour ago, Myherobobhope said:

I disagree with this… I’m pretty sure most of them CAN work the ball both directions if needed… I’m an out of shape, mediocre 40 year old with a 5 handicap and I can work the ball both ways.

Not all. Not even close. Sure many work it both ways somewhat but not all. And certainly not under pressure.

 

How’s Jason Days fade working out for him?

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2 hours ago, Myherobobhope said:

I disagree with this… I’m pretty sure most of them CAN work the ball both directions if needed… I’m an out of shape, mediocre 40 year old with a 5 handicap and I can work the ball both ways.

That’s poppycock. How times did Cantlay double cross himself with driver while winning the Fed Ex? More than a few.

 

Tiger was special because he could do it on demand.

 

I don’t care about your game, not one bit.

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54 minutes ago, DaRiz said:

DJ has said he hasn’t hit a draw with driver since like 2007 

 

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If you can do it, hitting it straight is inherently safer.  Controlling the amount of curve is just another variable that will widen your dispersion, and thereby add risk.  

 

If your natural shot is a big curve, either way, then there are going to be a lot of holes where that shot doesn't "fit."  But if it always turns the same way, and it's reasonably straight, then you can fit that shot into most holes.  I played that way for a long time. 

 

Over the years, I gradually straightened my natural fade/slice, and eventually developed the ability to work it both ways. But I never really try to turn it hard around a corner, etc., because that's usually too risky. 

 

I mostly "work the ball" only to let me aim away from trouble and effectively make the fairway wider.  If there is trouble left, I aim down the right center with intent to turn it left a little. It may not turn left a lot, but with a "draw intent," it won't fade, and I'll end up on the right side of the fairway at worst.   Vice-versa with trouble on the right. 

 


 

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Every tee ball I am trying to hit a small draw. I can't hit a reliable fade. I know basically how to do it.... But I don't try

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The modern driver head and golf ball don't spin much so it's more difficult to curve the ball.  Most pros these days stick to their go to shot off the tee with driver. 

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A lot of it has to do with what degree you shape the ball. And, I will discuss it as tee shots, not just driver shots.

 

First, there's offensive shaping, 

On 9/23/2021 at 10:59 PM, Ghostwedge said:

What's really cool is when they don't even acknowledge the dog leg and take it over the tree's about 280-300 yds down the fairway......

and defensive shaping., such as fading to avoid a hazard to left of fairway.

 

Most people can pull off a basic fade or draw if they just practice a little. After all, you get to set up the ball on a peg - or fluffed grass - and take a stance on level tee box before you hit.

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9 hours ago, tannyhoban said:

That’s poppycock. How times did Cantlay double cross himself with driver while winning the Fed Ex? More than a few.

 

Tiger was special because he could do it on demand.

 

I don’t care about your game, not one bit.

I’m not even sure what you are arguing anymore…

 

professional golfers have the ability to work the ball both directions. Just like they can intentionally hit a ball on the toe or the heel… just because they don’t do it on the course or range doesn’t mean they can’t.

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15 minutes ago, Myherobobhope said:

I’m not even sure what you are arguing anymore…

 

professional golfers have the ability to work the ball both directions. Just like they can intentionally hit a ball on the toe or the heel… just because they don’t do it on the course or range doesn’t mean they can’t.

Most don’t. They play a stock shot and work it that way. When they feel forced to go the other way they often cannot. Working the ball both ways on tour under pressure is the most overrated part of the game attributed to pros on this forum. It’s nonsense.

 

They score well when they can manufacture a shot from trouble (that suits their stock, I should add) and putt well. 
 

That’s what I’m saying. 

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