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Hey guys - hoping to get some advice / help. I'm a 2-handicap & steep swinger with a lot of lag / little release (tend to take very large divots especially with my wedges).

 

My goal for picking a grind / bounce does not center around sand play (as I'm pretty confident from the bunker). I would like to have the versatility to hit 3/4 - full shots for SW and LW while being able to open the face for chips and flops around the greens.

 

I've been reading everywhere that "bounce is your friend" and have been debating the S, M, and D grind for SW and LW.

 

Appreciate any help / guidance you guys are willing to give

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For your stated style, "bounce IS your friend."   Though I hit all sorts of shots using various length swings, low bounce Vokey M, and was a 2, now a 3-4, I'd suggest a 12' bounce and lofts that fit your setup. 

 

I am not one to suggest grinds because benefiting requires lots of practice.  That said, to have a diverse length swing for wedges calls for extensive practice to build muscle memory.  Grinds won't benefit that.

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What have you been using successfully?Its easy to sort the 48,50 52, thats usually F grind,narrower sole.My 54 was S mid sole.But for wider variation....the old original 588TA 56 that i bought for a laugh was the all purpose winner...

Had sm6 58S, went RTX2 60 mid, again better all round....so i just replaced with Zipcore 52, and 58 FullFace in mid bounce.Clevelands have a wider range of use per club,eg suit a lot more people with each grind.I buy Callaway(loved md2,xforged),Mizuno,Vokey,Cleveland wedges.Mizuno hardest to match,Vokey good,Cally and Clevo easiest ,just my opinion.Ps i just use std Wedgeflex or dgS300 and rebuild d3 or heavier.Shallow Divots,1* Flat guy

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D on the 60 have been a game changer for me, can open it and can play it normal without the fear to dig in. I use the F grind on 50 and 56 that I play full or 3/4 shots most of the time

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I'm VERY steep (like 18" divot steep) and I could not be happier with the D grind in my 54° and 60°.  All the versatility of the M grind without the tendency to dig even deeper.  

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No, I still launch beaver pellets.  But I think the added bounce helps on those instances you might catch it just a hair fat.  Being a digger, I found the M grind to basically be max punishment on those types of misses.  

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On paper I fall into the category of more bounce but struggle with higher bounce in my 60.  I like the versatility of different grinds and play 50F, 54S and 60L.  I use all three for partial 3/4 type shots, chip shots and will use both the 54 and 60 for bunker shots.

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3 hours ago, ipb123 said:

My goal for picking a grind / bounce does not center around sand play (as I'm pretty confident from the bunker). I would like to have the versatility to hit 3/4 - full shots for SW and LW while being able to open the face for chips and flops around the greens.

 

I've been reading everywhere that "bounce is your friend" and have been debating the S, M, and D grind for SW and LW.

 

First, ignore my sig line. In 2016, I had an hour of Vokey SM6 time at a rare dead spot in practice green usage, and in 2018 I had a rough Vokey fitting on SM8 wedges.

 

In both cases, I was blown away by how versatile the F-grind 54*/14 and 56*/14 wedges were. Out of the bunker, exiting greenside fluff and midrange pitch shots from rough or fairway. The F-grind is primarily designed for square-face and full shots. Be aware, however, I could open or close the clubface a couple to degrees and still hit the shots.

 

For LW, the Vokey M-grind is probably the most versatile. It flies a lot like the MD4 58*/8 C-grind that I now carry.

 

Note: I have the greatest respect for Vokey technology and variety. But, the Vokeys just feel strange when I hit them, even when good shots emerge. 

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I am a steep swing as well and love the D grind as I play in the PACNW where we have soft turn year round. I have the D grind on my 54*/58* and the F grind on my 50* not 100% sure about the 54* D grind. Great on full swings but having something with a little less bounce would be helpful. I use my 58* D grind out of the bunkers most of the time so for me personally it would likely be the 54* that I would go with something a little different. 

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On 9/30/2021 at 4:31 AM, ipb123 said:

Hey guys - hoping to get some advice / help. I'm a 2-handicap & steep swinger with a lot of lag / little release (tend to take very large divots especially with my wedges).

 

My goal for picking a grind / bounce does not center around sand play (as I'm pretty confident from the bunker). I would like to have the versatility to hit 3/4 - full shots for SW and LW while being able to open the face for chips and flops around the greens.

 

I've been reading everywhere that "bounce is your friend" and have been debating the S, M, and D grind for SW and LW.

 

Appreciate any help / guidance you guys are willing to give

 

I moved from Vokey to Cleveland Zipcore mid bounce with VT sole. 

 

Problem solved even with only 10* bounce on my 58* wedge. 

 

Plus custom grind options for only about $10-$15 extra.

 

Give it a try. I was a die hard Vokey fan till I tried Cleveland.

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grinds are important, but only if you manipulate the face. after having vokeys and just gone through custom wedge process, i can say a few things confidently.

 

1) the F grind is a great grind and the effective bounce is higher than the stamped bounce, but if you play with a straight face, i think its a great option

2) The M grind has more bounce than stated. 

3) the S grind is solid out of the bunker, but plays like a lower bounce wedge when  in the sand.

4) I know people love the K grind, but i hate it, ive tried burying the leading edge in the ground, and could never get it stuck in the ground. its extreme, but sounds like you have an extreme swing.

 

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Not seeing a lot of love for the K grind.  I'm very steep and a historically bad wedge player, the 58* K has truly made me a better player.  I got it 1* weak to add even more bounce.  Don't be scared of the K grind, it's more versatile than you might think, and as a bonus its the best bunker club I've ever had.  

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I would suggest D or K as a lot of others have recommended. I have played the D in the 60 and the K. Found the D more versatile if you open the face. K is stupid easy from deep rough but not as easy to open the face. 

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