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Just another variable that makes this game so difficult.

It should surprise no one that the dimples can cause subtle misdirection, same as a small grain of sand on the putter face or ball.

Without the dimples, the ball doesn't fly straight or stay in the air. 

Such is golf. 

 

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On 10/10/2021 at 8:44 AM, Tupperwolf said:

Golf is hard enough without this nonsense crowding one's thoughts. 

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5 minutes ago, VNutz said:

That's just silly. What about wind?? 🙂

 

And the speed of the earth's rotation. 

 

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Dunlop DDH III sales should skyrocket after this "new" revelation!  That ball had tons of surface not covered by dimples.

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4 hours ago, T-MAC said:

So why don't you get your crayons out and write a book that counters what Pelz and Bryson are saying, and show your research.


I don’t have to… Dave Stockton already did! 😂😂😂

 

Seriously, it’s just a “losing the forest for the trees” thing. Of course, a difference between striking different dimples (or fractions of them) likely DOES cause variation from strike to strike. But the magnitude is also likely 10,000x less than hitting a small divot or into a 5 mph crosswind. It’s like a GM engineer worrying about bugs nonlinearly striking the windshield and causing drag. If you worry about that magnitude of thing then you’re also worried about the friction of your cartilage rubbing bone from strike to strike, and the MILLIONS of other things on that magnitude. Even Dave Pelz couldn’t sell that long of a book.
 

He chose a thing and then he sold it as science. Science without common sense. That’s the same thing Bryson does. It should make all of us angry. 90% of Bryson’s improvement is getting beefier and adapting swing changes… i.e., the GM engineer choosing an engine that’s strong enough to overcome the bug strikes on the windshield… and also anything else of that magnitude. 

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4 hours ago, T-MAC said:

So why don't you get your crayons out and write a book that counters what Pelz and Bryson are saying, and show your research.


I don’t have to… Dave Stockton already did! 😂😂😂

 

Seriously, it’s just a “losing the forest for the trees” thing. Of course, a difference between striking different dimples (or fractions of them) likely DOES cause variation from strike to strike. But the magnitude is also likely 10,000x less than hitting a small divot or into a 5 mph crosswind. It’s like a GM engineer worrying about bugs nonlinearly striking the windshield and causing drag. If you worry about that magnitude of thing then you’re also worried about the friction of your cartilage rubbing bone from strike to strike, and the MILLIONS of other things on that magnitude. Even Dave Pelz couldn’t sell that long of a book.
 

He chose a thing and then he sold it as science. Science without common sense. That’s the same thing Bryson does. It should make all of us angry. 90% of Bryson’s improvement is getting beefier and adapting swing changes… i.e., the GM engineer choosing an engine that’s strong enough to overcome the bug strikes on the windshield… and also anything else of that magnitude. 

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4 hours ago, T-MAC said:

So why don't you get your crayons out and write a book that counters what Pelz and Bryson are saying, and show your research.


I don’t have to… Dave Stockton already did! 😂😂😂

 

Seriously, it’s just a “losing the forest for the trees” thing. Of course, a difference between striking different dimples (or fractions of them) likely DOES cause variation from strike to strike. But the magnitude is also likely 10,000x less than hitting a small divot or into a 5 mph crosswind. It’s like a GM engineer worrying about bugs nonlinearly striking the windshield and causing drag. If you worry about that magnitude of thing then you’re also worried about the friction of your cartilage rubbing bone from strike to strike, and the MILLIONS of other things on that magnitude. Even Dave Pelz couldn’t sell that long of a book.
 

He chose a thing and then he sold it as science. Science without common sense. That’s the same thing Bryson does. It should make all of us angry. 90% of Bryson’s improvement is getting beefier and adapting swing changes… i.e., the GM engineer choosing an engine that’s strong enough to overcome the bug strikes on the windshield… and also anything else of that magnitude. 

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7 minutes ago, bigolherschel said:


I don’t have to… Dave Stockton already did! 😂😂😂

 

Seriously, it’s just a “losing the forest for the trees” thing. Of course, a difference between striking different dimples (or fractions of them) likely DOES cause variation from strike to strike. But the magnitude is also likely 10,000x less than hitting a small divot or into a 5 mph crosswind. It’s like a GM engineer worrying about bugs nonlinearly striking the windshield and causing drag. If you worry about that magnitude of thing then you’re also worried about the friction of your cartilage rubbing bone from strike to strike, and the MILLIONS of other things on that magnitude. Even Dave Pelz couldn’t sell that long of a book.
 

He chose a thing and then he sold it as science. Science without common sense. That’s the same thing Bryson does. It should make all of us angry. 90% of Bryson’s improvement is getting beefier and adapting swing changes… i.e., the GM engineer choosing an engine that’s strong enough to overcome the bug strikes on the windshield… and also anything else of that magnitude. 

 

Pelz is definitely a clown. I'm not going to question his knowledge or experience - but his conclusions are rubbish. At least for my game. 

 

I just don't see golf the way he does. 

 

Good argument BTW. Interesting example with the GM engineer. 

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Posted  this in the other thread about this.  Here’s a pic of the contact area of the edge of a dimple vs full square dimple.  
 

on the edge the ball will oscillate quite a bit either way like a ice skate . It could fall one way or the other if you stand it up and let it go.
 

There’s some substance to the idea but I don’t have any real data. this shows the difference in contact points for a putt short enough to not compress the ball flat.  Which is probably anything inside 10- 12 feet or so.  

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Last I knew, the golfball is smaller than the hole, so the player has some wiggle  room to still make a putt if he actually lands the putter face on a less than centered dimple collision when making a stroke.  Misses are just what they are, misses.

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On 10/12/2021 at 10:01 AM, Carson33 said:

So, how do you prevent this?

Bryson talks about mostly this effecting shorter putts as longer putts you hit harder compress more surface area of the ball onto the face of the putter. Shorter putts, I believe he was basically saying hit them harder on tighter lines. What I took away was just hit putts with conviction and let the golf Gods sort 'em out. 

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All players are eventually walking/standing around the hole. Isn't it possible for indentations in the greens caused by foot prints to throw the ball off line, especially around the hole. Since there is no picture of a dimple at impact how much of the dimple edge gets compressed? This makes more sense to me since it seems to only occurs close to the hole. If there was a footprint, hitting the ball harder would probably be the cure. Just a different perspective. 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, maverick said:

All players are eventually walking/standing around the hole. Isn't it possible for indentations in the greens caused by foot prints to throw the ball off line, especially around the hole. Since there is no picture of a dimple at impact how much of the dimple edge gets compressed? This makes more sense to me since it seems to only occurs close to the hole. If there was a footprint, hitting the ball harder would probably be the cure. Just a different perspective. 


Dave Pelz calls it the “lumpy donut.” Definitely a well-known phenomenon. 

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