Difference between TT Dynamic Gold x100 Tour Issue vs. NON Tour Issue shafts?

[golfer55082]

What are the main differences?  For players who play at high level ( college etc.), would they tell the difference, in both Feels and Shot Dispersions?  

[rsballer10]

3 minutes ago, golfer55082 said:

What are the main differences?  For players who play at high level ( college etc.), would they tell the difference, in both Feels and Shot Dispersions?  

 

It's the same shaft. The TI has tighter tolerances. +/- 0.5g for the TI vs +/-2g for the standard DG. There are a select few that can feel slight weight differences, I am not one of them. Not really a high level player though. The shaft itself will not perform any different.

 

I would say it comes down to cost/benefit. Std DG is about $23/shaft and DGTI is about $45/shaft. OEM upgrade prices vary. DG is almost always a no upcharge shaft, while DGTI there is a slight upcharge.

[nitram]

^^^^^ NAILED IT!!!! ^^^^^

[RCGA]

+/- 2 grams is the weight of 2 small paper clips or one wrap of grip tape - averaged over the length of the shaft. 

 

There's no way you're going to feel the difference on a ~400g club. 

[cristphoto]

I can't feel a difference if I'm wearing my watch or not (and it weighs much more than two paper clips).  😄

[geochitown]

the tighter weight tolerance isn't a difference in the manufacturing of the shafts, it's a tighter tolerance achieved by sorting the produced X100 shafts by weight.

 

 

[TheSphynx]

I play tour issue X100 only because I like the look of the label. I think anyone claiming to feel a difference is just kidding themselves and regrets spending the extra money. 

[Howard_Jones]

On 10/14/2021 at 4:25 PM, golfer55082 said:

What are the main differences?  For players who play at high level ( college etc.), would they tell the difference, in both Feels and Shot Dispersions?  

Its the same old DYNAMIC designed and made since 1942, the longest lasting, and most winning shaft ever made, and its still on top about 80 years later.....

In 1980 True Temper introduced the GOLD sorting standard of +/- 1.5 grams
Thats why they are called Dynamic GOLD since then, and this tolerance is BETTER than many shafts now made 40 years later. To improve the same product even more, a weight sorting standard called TOUR ISSUE was introduces with a tolerance of only +/- 0.5 grams.

For STEEL shafts with the same step patter and tip length, WEIGHT is also FLEX, and for Dynamic Gold 0.89 grams = 1 CPM, and we say that 10 CPM is 1 full flex (difference from S to X)

Dynamic Gold has among the steepest butt CPM slopes on the marked with 12.68 CPM pr inch, or about 6.35 CPM from one iron to the next.

If we choose the GOLD standard, we MIGHT see +/- 1.5 CPM to those numbers
If we choose Tour Issue, we are down below +/- 0.5 CPM to those numbers

Soft stepping once is as a rule of thumb 4 CPM and many players want be able to feel that, and VERY FEW will be able to feel the difference of 1 gram or 1 CPM.

For a ROBOT like Iron Byron, 1 CPM on flex makes a difference to APEX of whopping 1 feet, so Tour Issue is for the "OCD" player who wants it to be 100%, the Gold version is a "budget" option without the fancy label for the player who wants maximum value for his money.

Design is identical, they are all made to become the same, so GOLD vs Tour Issue is weight sorting done after production to "refine" the same product, so Tour Issue is worth its price due to this very tight tolerances, but GOLD is not bad at all, and even more value for the money
 

EDIT
Dynamic Gold / Tour Issue 130 - 132 as grams pr inch

 

Edited March 18, 2023 by Howard_Jones

[Stuart_G]

1 hour ago, cristphoto said:

I can't feel a difference if I'm wearing my watch or not (and it weighs much more than two paper clips).  😄

 

I know you're just trying to be funny - but I'm bored so I figured why not address this kind of commonly held but misguided argument.  Some readers might start to actually believe it's a valid point.

 

1) We feel the weight of the club through our hands - specifically the palms and fingers - which just happen to be one of the places on our body with a very high degree of sensory perception.  The wrist were the watch sits, is not really all that sensitive.   And the muscles that control our arm/wrist motion are much bigger and less sensitive than the ones that are used to hold the club.

 

2) People frequently confuse static weight with dynamic weight.  The motion and effort to accelerate the club significantly amplifies the resistance that we feel from the club well above what it might be just holding it still in our hands.

 

So take that watch off your wrist and tape it to the shaft instead.  Then you're much more likely to notice the difference.   The further down the shaft you tape it, the greater the effect of a small weight change can be on the feel.

 

Now am I saying that a few grams difference in the TI vs non-TI is going to make a difference to most ams?  No, not at all.   For some it might only take 5 gm's.  For others it might take 10 gm or more of shaft weight before it's noticeable.  Everyone has to find their own level of sensitivity.

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by Stuart_G

[lefthack]

10 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

 

I know you're just trying to be funny - but I'm bored so I figured why not address this kind of commonly held but misguided argument.  Some readers might start to actually believe it's a valid point.

 

1) We feel the weight of the club through our hands - specifically the palms and fingers - which just happen to be one of the places on our body with a very high degree of sensory perception.  The wrist were the watch sits, is not really all that sensitive.   And the muscles that control our arm/wrist motion are much bigger and less sensitive than the ones that are used to hold the club.

 

2) People frequently confuse static weight with dynamic weight.  The motion and effort to accelerate the club significantly amplifies the resistance that we feel from the club well above what it might be just holding it still in our hands.

 

So take that watch off your wrist and tape it to the shaft instead.  Then you're much more likely to notice the difference.   The further down the shaft you tape it, the greater the effect of a small weight change can be on the feel.

 

Now am I saying that a few grams difference in the TI vs non-TI is going to make a difference to most ams?  No, not at all.   For some it might only take 5 gm's.  For others it might take 10 gm or more of shaft weight before it's noticeable.  Everyone has to find their own level of sensitivity.

 

 

I can't golf wearing a watch and I stopped using an interlock grip when I started wearing a wedding ring.

[shart6]

Well you might want to weigh those tour issue shafts. I have two Dynamic Gold Tour Issue 115 wedge shafts, one weighs 115 grams and one weighs 113.7 grams.

[Howard_Jones]

25 minutes ago, shart6 said:

Well you might want to weigh those tour issue shafts. I have two Dynamic Gold Tour Issue 115 wedge shafts, one weighs 115 grams and one weighs 113.7 grams.

I never heard of that the 115 wedge had a TOUR ISSUE option at all, and the weight you say they are is within the GOLD standard of plus minus 1.5 grams

https://www.truetempersports.com/en-us/golf/golf/steel-iron-shafts/dynamic-gold-steel-shafts.html

[Adam C]

1 hour ago, lefthack said:

 

I can't golf wearing a watch and I stopped using an interlock grip when I started wearing a wedding ring.

My golf game also went downhill when I started wearing a wedding ring.

Golf joke!

[shart6]

30 minutes ago, Howard_Jones said:

I never heard of that the 115 wedge had a TOUR ISSUE option at all, and the weight you say they are is within the GOLD standard of plus minus 1.5 grams

https://www.truetempersports.com/en-us/golf/golf/steel-iron-shafts/dynamic-gold-steel-shafts.html

 

But one isn't tour issue specs +- .5 grams. I see them occasionally they are black with a strange green tour issue label. 

 

I weight sorted my current set of Dynalite Gold iron shafts to -.5 +.6 grams far better than I can tell the difference. I built as good a set spec wise as a could.

 

Kenneth Smith taught me weight sorting when I was a teenager in the 70s before Dynamic Gold. It wasn't unkown.

[RogerinNewZealand]

Thanks Howard,

Your comments much appreciated re Gold Standard +-1.5gram and 0.89 gram 1cpm,1 foot higher Apex,Soft Step=4CPM and Club2Club 6.35CPM

 

Time to PIN your comment for Reference👍

[JCAG]

4 hours ago, geochitown said:

the tighter weight tolerance isn't a difference in the manufacturing of the shafts, it's a tighter tolerance achieved by sorting the produced X100 shafts by weight.

 

 

This is the answer. It cost money to sort (weigh) each shaft. Let us say they make 1000 shafts and want 300 Gold. Once they get the 300 Gold, many of the rest could be as tight a tolerance but one never knows as they will not be weighed.

[Thayneil]

21 hours ago, JCAG said:

This is the answer. It cost money to sort (weigh) each shaft. Let us say they make 1000 shafts and want 300 Gold. Once they get the 300 Gold, many of the rest could be as tight a tolerance but one never knows as they will not be weighed.

they are all gold or TI now no standard  DYnamics,  so all must be weight sorted

 

i used to like the R500s and S100s  along time ago

 

 

[TonyDAnnunzio]

My recent experience with Dynamic Gold X100's was NOT the tolerance of +/- 1.5 grams...  I put a set of X100's in my i210's SS 1x and measured the raw weights before trimming...  below are are the raw weights and measurements:

 

40 - 128

39 1/2 - 128

39 1/16 - 130

38 9/16 - 124

38 1/16 - 131

37 9/16 - 131

37 1/16 - 130

37 1/16 - 130

 

I ordered another 6 iron shaft and the weight of that shaft was 126...  my scale does not measure in tenths so the weights are not as precise...  I could definitely feel a difference with the 7 iron...  remember these are soft stepped.

 

I love the feel of the Dynamic Gold but have come to the conclusion that I need to adapt to a lighter shaft if I want to continue to play and practice at my current level...  After playing several days in a row, which includes 30 - 40 balls on the range before the round, I feel beat up and exhausted around the 13th - 14th hole.

 

 

[Howard_Jones]

3 hours ago, TonyDAnnunzio said:

My recent experience with Dynamic Gold X100's was NOT the tolerance of +/- 1.5 grams...  I put a set of X100's in my i210's SS 1x and measured the raw weights before trimming...  below are are the raw weights and measurements:

 

40 - 128

39 1/2 - 128

39 1/16 - 130

38 9/16 - 124

38 1/16 - 131

37 9/16 - 131

37 1/16 - 130

37 1/16 - 130

 

I ordered another 6 iron shaft and the weight of that shaft was 126...  my scale does not measure in tenths so the weights are not as precise...  I could definitely feel a difference with the 7 iron...  remember these are soft stepped.

 

I love the feel of the Dynamic Gold but have come to the conclusion that I need to adapt to a lighter shaft if I want to continue to play and practice at my current level...  After playing several days in a row, which includes 30 - 40 balls on the range before the round, I feel beat up and exhausted around the 13th - 14th hole.

 

 

That #6 iron shaft is a flyer and should have been returned.
The others seems fine since you dont have decimals on your scale, so adjusted for production tolerance of 1/16 on length, its no indication that they are outside of the GOLD standard of plus minus 1.5 grams from 130.

[TonyDAnnunzio]

11 hours ago, Howard_Jones said:

That #6 iron shaft is a flyer and should have been returned.
The others seems fine since you dont have decimals on your scale, so adjusted for production tolerance of 1/16 on length, its no indication that they are outside of the GOLD standard of plus minus 1.5 grams from 130.

I would have Howard but I was in a "pinch" and needed to get the set back together...  I ordered another 6 iron shaft and it came in at 126 grams...  

 

Oh well...  I did, however, order a more precise scale.

[NRJyzr]

On 10/14/2021 at 12:48 PM, Adam C said:

My golf game also went downhill when I started wearing a wedding ring.

Golf joke!

 

My golf game improved after putting on my wedding ring.

 

That I didn't start playing golf until 3½ years after marrying Wife 2.0 is, I'm certain, purely coincidental...

 

Edited October 18, 2021 by NRJyzr

[JCAG]

On 10/16/2021 at 2:29 PM, TonyDAnnunzio said:

I would have Howard but I was in a "pinch" and needed to get the set back together...  I ordered another 6 iron shaft and it came in at 126 grams...  

 

Oh well...  I did, however, order a more precise scale.

The 6 iron shaft was a "flyer". Remember that plus or minus 1.5 is a swing of 3 so from 128 to 131 is within plus or minus 1.5.

[Pepperturbo]

Not convinced better golfers can tell the difference between 'tour issue' and non tour shafts.  I am a pretty good player and can't actually tell swinging each.  Tour issue is more stringent tolerances, different specs, exact weight, etc.  My shafts are the same as those used on tour, only the flex is different.

 

When I played TT X100, 'Tour issue' X100 didn't exist.  Guess that tells ya how old I am.  😛

 

Edited October 18, 2021 by Pepperturbo

[vman]

22 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

Not convinced better golfers can tell the difference between 'tour issue' and non tour shafts.  

 

 

 

I'm totally convinced that they can't.

[tgoodspe1991]

On 10/14/2021 at 11:02 AM, geochitown said:

the tighter weight tolerance isn't a difference in the manufacturing of the shafts, it's a tighter tolerance achieved by sorting the produced X100 shafts by weight.

 

 

I’m curious—and someone with manufacturing experience could chime in—whether the existence of Tour Issue shafts prevents the standard DG from ever being tight on spec.

 

If they are sorted after manufacturing and shafts within +/- 0.5g go into the DGTI bin and those within +/- 1.5g go into the standard DG bin, then would it stand to reason that a standard DG shaft would also never be within 0.5g of the actual spec, and that standard DG shafts more accurately will always be 0.5-1.5g lighter or heavier?

[Nessism]

56 minutes ago, tgoodspe1991 said:

I’m curious—and someone with manufacturing experience could chime in—whether the existence of Tour Issue shafts prevents the standard DG from ever being tight on spec.

 

If they are sorted after manufacturing and shafts within +/- 0.5g go into the DGTI bin and those within +/- 1.5g go into the standard DG bin, then would it stand to reason that a standard DG shaft would also never be within 0.5g of the actual spec, and that standard DG shafts more accurately will always be 0.5-1.5g lighter or heavier?

 

My guess is that it depends on the order bank.  If there is a NEED for TI shafts, the production folks would weight sort to the tighter range.  If there aren't any orders, then why waste the extra time/labor?  

[Cwebb]

2 hours ago, tgoodspe1991 said:

I’m curious—and someone with manufacturing experience could chime in—whether the existence of Tour Issue shafts prevents the standard DG from ever being tight on spec.

 

If they are sorted after manufacturing and shafts within +/- 0.5g go into the DGTI bin and those within +/- 1.5g go into the standard DG bin, then would it stand to reason that a standard DG shaft would also never be within 0.5g of the actual spec, and that standard DG shafts more accurately will always be 0.5-1.5g lighter or heavier?

 

Nope.  All S300's and X100's weigh 129-131g with lots of them at 129.5-130.5.

 

The "tour issue" shaft is quite a clever money maker

[tgoodspe1991]

1 hour ago, Nessism said:

 

My guess is that it depends on the order bank.  If there is a NEED for TI shafts, the production folks would weight sort to the tighter range.  If there aren't any orders, then why waste the extra time/labor?  

 

This makes the most sense to me. Not all shafts will be sorted to DGTI. But as they are needed they will be pulled from production and sorted into tighter tolerances. But that doesn't inherently mean that ALL shafts that are within 0.5g of spec are DGTI only.

[tgoodspe1991]

27 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

Nope.  All S300's and X100's weigh 129-131g with lots of them at 129.5-130.5.

 

The "tour issue" shaft is quite a clever money maker

 

Technically it would be 128.5-131.5g no? DG tolerances are +/- 1.5g I thought.

[Cwebb]

1 hour ago, tgoodspe1991 said:

 

Technically it would be 128.5-131.5g no? DG tolerances are +/- 1.5g I thought.

 

The 131.5g DG's that I've weighed, have been labeled S400 or X200 and 128.5 labeled S200.