Please Mr Jay Monahan....can i go play over there....please!!!!

[grm24]

1 hour ago, tacklingdummy said:

I'd bet that a lot of the players that go offers and/or contracts for playing events on the new tours are looking into the legalities of PGA's ability to block them as we speak.

The counterpoint to what you posted above is that the PGA Tour players agreed that jumping to the PGL/SGL tour and possibly being banned is part of the PGA Tours regulations. This was approved by the players. Players are free to go to other tours. They just might lose the ability to everr play the PGA Tour again. Which again is something the players agreed to. From May of this year.

 

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31394037/phil-mickelson-bash-super-league-others-do

 

PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan met with players Tuesday night at Quail Hollow in a previously scheduled meeting at which the PGL was part of the discussion. According to several players, Monahan made it clear that joining the PGL would mean an automatic suspension from the PGA Tour and the possibility of a permanent expulsion. According to a PGA Tour official, such an action is part of the tour's regulations and has been approved by the players.

[Holy Moses]

2 hours ago, tacklingdummy said:

I'd bet that a lot of the players that go offers and/or contracts for playing events on the new tours are looking into the legalities of PGA's ability to block them as we speak. If you are player that got offered ridiculous amounts of guaranteed money, you would definitely be doing your research. Pro golf is going to get interesting in next few years. 

No one will know what will happen until it goes to court. Just recently, Jimmy Walker was fearful that going to the SGL would keep him from playing the Champions Tour, and that’s 8 years away for him. Publicly, players are fearing that the PGA Tour could ban them for life.

[tacklingdummy]

19 hours ago, grm24 said:

The counterpoint to what you posted above is that the PGA Tour players agreed that jumping to the PGL/SGL tour and possibly being banned is part of the PGA Tours regulations. This was approved by the players. Players are free to go to other tours. They just might lose the ability to everr play the PGA Tour again. Which again is something the players agreed to. From May of this year.

 

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31394037/phil-mickelson-bash-super-league-others-do

 

PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan met with players Tuesday night at Quail Hollow in a previously scheduled meeting at which the PGL was part of the discussion. According to several players, Monahan made it clear that joining the PGL would mean an automatic suspension from the PGA Tour and the possibility of a permanent expulsion. According to a PGA Tour official, such an action is part of the tour's regulations and has been approved by the players.

 

 

Not debating that PGA tour specifically said they would banned players from "joining" rival tours. However, "No Laying Up" did a podcast about it the new tours. There is still a lot of questions of about what the PGA can and can't do, the loopholes and possible other conflicts with that. There are some players that have constructive criticism of the PGA tour and how it works, but haven't voiced it publicly.  However, Phil Mickelson in his interview with Gary Williams (I posted on this thread, page 7) alluded to a lot of the issues of players like him have with the tour. He stated that the PGA players only have 4 votes out of 9 on the PGA board when there are 200+ PGA players. So, the players are pretty underrepresented on the decisions and policies of the PGA tour. Also in the NFL and NBA, players make about 55% of the revenue of from those leagues while the players on the PGA tour only make 26% of the revenue of the PGA tour. So, the power of the players to have more influence on the decision making of the PGA tour, how the the PGA tour works, the money, and earning power of players are all big issues. We may see more changes in the future stemming from those issues. 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by tacklingdummy

[Holy Moses]

Long podcast by NLU with Andy Gardiner of the PGL (not the SGL) which clarifies some of the issues with these breakaway leagues

 

 

[dongodfrey]

If I was in their position I would play where I want,

christ how boring it would be to play in the same country all the time.

Players come from over here to play in the states and all over the world as do PGA tour players, when they go off to China to play who complains then,

it’s because it the UAE.

If I’m offered better money to go from one job to another as a independent contractor I will go, I do not give a monkeys what anyone thinks, it’s my right to earn money in my field of business the way I see fit, unfortunately the PGA or the European Tour do not run 

world golf, the faces think they do, they come our TV screens like there the players on the Tour. 
I just turned  the golf on,

and watched Reed, kawamura, Sergio and co in Dubai, I don’t give a damn what tour they are on, but seeing players from all over the globe competing is what it’s about, as Jack Nicklaus said it’s a World Game.

Edited November 18, 2021 by dongodfrey

[Holy Moses]

After listening to the long NLU podcast with the CEO of the PGL, I have a few thoughts:

 

- The PGL wants to give current PGA Tour players equity in the new league, something the PGA Tour’s current tax status won’t allow on the PGA Tour. Fine idea in principle.

- Gardiner makes some good points about the problems with the PGA Tour and highlights how the original move away from the PGA and the changes in 1983 were good for the Tour. Yes, golf leagues change. Yes the Tour doesn’t show enough golf. Yes more team golf would be good. Yes we need the top players playing all together far more. Yes the current PGA Tour schedule is far too long and bloated with weak tournaments.
- Gardiner is claiming that he was never working with Saudi investors and that he never on the record said that the Saudis/SGL stole his idea. Is that true or is he afraid to say if they did?
- Gardiner wants the PGL work with the PGA Tour, but you think the Tour is ever going to want to talk to you or work with you when you are trying to pull their stars away from you for 18 tournaments a year? Add four majors and you think Tour players outside of Sungjae Im are going to play any more events other than that besides the Players? You need 15 events to be a PGA Tour member. 4 majors plus the Players plus do well enough to get into the FedEx Cup playoffs. You’d need 7 more events plus the 18 in the PGL. Gardiner’s only hope is to have co-sanctioned events.

- I don’t know how the PGL is going to beat put the SGL. That league just has more money and is farther along. Most PGA Tour players would give their first-born child to play in the SGL and reap the rewards they are promising. 
- Gardiner is boring. Very little excitement, a slow talker, and spent 2.5 hours on a podcast that could have been summed up in an hour. He doesn’t brood the excitement and leadership that a CEO needs to have.

[dongodfrey]

Just to add

i have just watched the finish of the DP world Tour Championships 

Won by Colin Morikawa of the U.S.A

thats why these players should be able to play where they wish, what a finish,

Awesome performance colin,

your always welcome on the European Tour !!

Edited November 21, 2021 by dongodfrey

[Holy Moses]

4 hours ago, dongodfrey said:

Just to add

i have just watched the finish of the DP world Tour Championships 

Won by Colin Morikawa of the U.S.A

thats why these players should be able to play where they wish, what a finish,

Awesome performance colin,

your always welcome on the European Tour !!

Morikawa had to get a release from the PGA Tour to play in Dubai. The European Tour isn’t taking the PGA Tour’s players away for 18 weeks a year.

[nsxguy]

On 11/18/2021 at 1:41 AM, dongodfrey said:

If I was in their position I would play where I want,

christ how boring it would be to play in the same country all the time.

 

 

You may or may not be surprised how many people would rather STAY in their own country, or at least in a "First World" country.

 

Some strange things happen even IN 1st world countries.

 

It's a comfort factor.

 

On 11/18/2021 at 1:41 AM, dongodfrey said:

 

If I’m offered better money to go from one job to another as a independent contractor I will go, I do not give a monkeys what anyone thinks, it’s my right to earn money in my field of business the way I see fit, unfortunately the PGA or the European Tour do not run 

world golf,

 

If money is all that concerns you, no worries. Have at it. To many others there are a lot of other factors involved.

 

And yes, it is your right to go wherever, sometimes even breaking a contract you've made.

 

But surely you agree it's the other party's right to never have you work for them again, yes ?

 

In any case, ya rolls the dice and ya takes yer chances. 👍

 

[dongodfrey]

1 hour ago, nsxguy said:

 

You may or may not be surprised how many people would rather STAY in their own country, or at least in a "First World" country.

 

Some strange things happen even IN 1st world countries.

 

It's a comfort factor.

 

 

If money is all that concerns you, no worries. Have at it. To many others there are a lot of other factors involved.

 

And yes, it is your right to go wherever, sometimes even breaking a contract you've made.

 

But surely you agree it's the other party's right to never have you work for them again, yes ?

 

In any case, ya rolls the dice and ya takes yer chances. 👍

 

Yes

i do agree it’s the other party’s right not to have you work for them again,

but as the saying goes,

that’s there loss.

Edited November 21, 2021 by dongodfrey

[dongodfrey]

4 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

Morikawa had to get a release from the PGA Tour to play in Dubai. The European Tour isn’t taking the PGA Tour’s players away for 18 weeks a year.

Wow

i didn’t know that, good for him, the first American to win the race to Dubai.

Was he right ? or was he wrong ?

I wonder what the PGA tours view on that will be in tomorrow mornings meeting 

Edited November 21, 2021 by dongodfrey

[nsxguy]

17 hours ago, dongodfrey said:

Yes

i do agree it’s the other party’s right not to have you work for them again,

but as the saying goes,

that’s there loss.

 

Correct. From your point of view. From theirs ? Not so much.

[MattyO1984]

This could be totally behind the curve and someone may have posted this already but with content needing to be approved by a mod, I do not know.

 

Anyway, Bunkered (Scottish Golf magazine) are reporting this morning that confirmed as participants for Saudi International are the following:-

Dustin Johnson

Bryson DeChambeau

Phil Mickelson

Xander Schaufelle 

Tyrell Hatton

Adam Scott

Bubba Watson
Lee Westwood

Paul Casey

Louis Oosthuizen

Abe Ancer

Shane Lowry

Jason Kokrak

Joaquin Niemann

Ian Poulter

Henrik Stenson

Harold Varner III
Jonathan Vegas

Kevin Na

Tommy Fleetwood

[Creedo77]

1 hour ago, MattyO1984 said:

This could be totally behind the curve and someone may have posted this already but with content needing to be approved by a mod, I do not know.

 

Anyway, Bunkered (Scottish Golf magazine) are reporting this morning that confirmed as participants for Saudi International are the following:-

Dustin Johnson

Bryson DeChambeau

Phil Mickelson

Xander Schaufelle 

Tyrell Hatton

Adam Scott

Bubba Watson
Lee Westwood

Paul Casey

Louis Oosthuizen

Abe Ancer

Shane Lowry

Jason Kokrak

Joaquin Niemann

Ian Poulter

Henrik Stenson

Harold Varner III
Jonathan Vegas

Kevin Na

Tommy Fleetwood

Same week as Pebble

 

6 hour rounds or a nice guaranteed appearance fee. Easy choice for those guys above 

[kasting333]

On 11/19/2021 at 2:20 PM, Holy Moses said:

Gardiner is claiming that he was never working with Saudi investors and that he never on the record said that the Saudis/SGL stole his idea. Is that true or is he afraid to say if they did?

He was working with the Saudi’s until it became a detriment. The interviewer was so easily sold by Gardiner on this very abstract league. 

This guy is targeting anti-tour media and catering to them by saying whatever. You think he really cares how the league operates? Doubtful. He just wants to poach the top players and cash in while the gullible media want to have team golf to produce more off-course drama rather than a legitimate tour. 

[Holy Moses]

On 11/29/2021 at 5:27 AM, MattyO1984 said:

This could be totally behind the curve and someone may have posted this already but with content needing to be approved by a mod, I do not know.

 

Anyway, Bunkered (Scottish Golf magazine) are reporting this morning that confirmed as participants for Saudi International are the following:-

Dustin Johnson

Bryson DeChambeau

Phil Mickelson

Xander Schaufelle 

Tyrell Hatton

Adam Scott

Bubba Watson
Lee Westwood

Paul Casey

Louis Oosthuizen

Abe Ancer

Shane Lowry

Jason Kokrak

Joaquin Niemann

Ian Poulter

Henrik Stenson

Harold Varner III
Jonathan Vegas

Kevin Na

Tommy Fleetwood

The Saudi International announced the field a few days ago. The PGA Tour has up to 30 days before the tournament to reject these players’ waivers. Rumor is that the players will only be fined. 

[Shilgy]

On 11/29/2021 at 4:27 AM, MattyO1984 said:

This could be totally behind the curve and someone may have posted this already but with content needing to be approved by a mod, I do not know.

 

Anyway, Bunkered (Scottish Golf magazine) are reporting this morning that confirmed as participants for Saudi International are the following:-

Dustin Johnson

Bryson DeChambeau

Phil Mickelson

Xander Schaufelle 

Tyrell Hatton

Adam Scott

Bubba Watson
Lee Westwood

Paul Casey

Louis Oosthuizen

Abe Ancer

Shane Lowry

Jason Kokrak

Joaquin Niemann

Ian Poulter

Henrik Stenson

Harold Varner III
Jonathan Vegas

Kevin Na

Tommy Fleetwood

The Saudi event stating those players are committed and them actually being able to play are to different animals.

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/saudi-invitaional-announces-2022-field-that-includes-Bryson-DJ-Phil-and-other-high-profile-players

[MattyO1984]

14 hours ago, Shilgy said:

The Saudi event stating those players are committed and them actually being able to play are to different animals.

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/saudi-invitaional-announces-2022-field-that-includes-Bryson-DJ-Phil-and-other-high-profile-players

 

You think that that number of guys have committed to the event and it has been announced that they are suddenly not going to go. My view is that there is no way that that happens.

[Holy Moses]

16 hours ago, MattyO1984 said:

 

You think that that number of guys have committed to the event and it has been announced that they are suddenly not going to go. My view is that there is no way that that happens.

They are going, they will just be fined

[extrastiff]

Interesting move to remove the Asian tour winner from open exemption list

[Gsea]

PGA just approved the players to play

[Holy Moses]

47 minutes ago, Gsea said:

PGA just approved the players to play

They are allowed up to six events or whatever it is pending Tour approval, but they are letting the players have a win before they put their foot down on the SGL and PGL

[Holy Moses]

 

[extrastiff]

this saga has definitely changed my perspective on Pebble Beach, and how the tour treats people that they hire. It will be interesting to see if players stand up to this

[Shilgy]

Good explanation of requirements for waiver.

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2021/12/20/pga-tour-clears-players-saudi-international-phil-mickelson-dustin-johnson-bryson-dechambeau/

 

[grm24]

17 hours ago, extrastiff said:

this saga has definitely changed my perspective on Pebble Beach, and how the tour treats people that they hire. It will be interesting to see if players stand up to this

This isn't the first time the PGA Tour had granted releases to an opposite event and attach additional playing requirements for the release. Including Tiger and Rory.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Golf_Final

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/johnny-miller-on-tiger-woods-not-playing-in-safeway-open-you-always-have-to-handle-tiger-a-little-with-kid-gloves

 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2012/10/09/Events-and-Attractions/Turkish-Golf.aspx

[tacklingdummy]

19 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

 

 

 

I wonder why the requirement is hinged just on the AT&T tournament? Seems like the PGA tour should just have a specific list of tournaments that they can play in if they play in an opposing tour's tournament or tournaments. Make it a one-for-one tournament tradeoff from the specific list. Most players will want to play the same tournament abroad. Then it would give players some options to choose which tournament to play in and work around their schedules. 

[Holy Moses]

18 hours ago, tacklingdummy said:

 

 

I wonder why the requirement is hinged just on the AT&T tournament? Seems like the PGA tour should just have a specific list of tournaments that they can play in if they play in an opposing tour's tournament or tournaments. Make it a one-for-one tournament tradeoff from the specific list. Most players will want to play the same tournament abroad. Then it would give players some options to choose which tournament to play in and work around their schedules. 

It’s the same week as the Saudi tournament. Keeps the players from playing in it next year. 

[Young Tommy]

What happens in the following situation-a player who has played the AT&T in the past 5 years is now w required to play once in either 2023 or 2024.  In 2023 player says he chooses to play it 2024.  2024 comes along and player says he’s injured and can’t play AT&T.  Injury is probably fake. What does the PGA do?

[Holy Moses]

2 hours ago, Young Tommy said:

What happens in the following situation-a player who has played the AT&T in the past 5 years is now w required to play once in either 2023 or 2024.  In 2023 player says he chooses to play it 2024.  2024 comes along and player says he’s injured and can’t play AT&T.  Injury is probably fake. What does the PGA do?

Probably a fine and play the next year