Sim 2 vs Tsi4

[New_Guy]

Anyone put these 2 side by side testing? Curious on numbers for Sim 2 before I spend more money lol 

 

I recently switched from tsi3 to tsi4 bc I was just spinning the tsi3 too much.

 

Tsi3 3500 rpm average

Tsi4 2040-2170 rpm average 

 

115-119 club head speed

170 ball speed

 

Both tested with hzrdus blue rdx 6.5 60g and hzrdus Green 6.5tx 60g PVD.

 

Same results both shafts in both heads

 

 

[PEI_Golfer]

OG Sim is lower spinning than the 2 if you were to look that direction first.  But something doesn't make sense to drop 1.4k from the TSi3 to TSi4.

[New_Guy]

Why doesn't it? Both 8 degree head both A1 setting. I think it's just my swing, I hit my old M1 great with both weights up front

[third-times-a-charm]

I would not recommend moving to the TSi4 just because you need a spin reduction. If you are spinning the TSi3 3500RPM something else is wrong. There's plenty of people playing the 3 or even the TSi2 at under 2600RPM easily.

 

The TSi4 is a terribly unforgiving driver head.

[New_Guy]

Well played the tsi4 today and it was 1000% better for me then my tsi3

[seth514]

Tsi4 will have lower spin than the Sim2 for the majority of players that can actually hit it straight. 

[New_Guy]

5 minutes ago, seth514 said:

Tsi4 will have lower spin than the Sim2 for the majority of players that can actually hit it straight. 

Thank you

[PEI_Golfer]

43 minutes ago, New_Guy said:

Why doesn't it? Both 8 degree head both A1 setting. I think it's just my swing, I hit my old M1 great with both weights up front

Why doesn't it?  Well, because the heads aren't that different and the vast majority of people trying between the two might only see around 400 rpm less.  1.4k is a complete outlier. 

 

If you are spinning a driver 3.5k, it's more than likely a swing/strike issue, not a club head issue, but enjoy the honeymoon I guess.

Edited November 16, 2021 by PEI_Golfer

[mallrat]

I hope whatever driver you choose works for you. 
 

That said, why do you (or people in general) come here and ask for advice/opinions and then tell the people that are answering your questions that they are wrong? 

[aenemated]

I had a hard time keeping my spin down with my old TS3 that when the TSis came out, I gave the TSi4 a go.

 

God almighty, I couldn't keep it in the air. That is not a driver for the masses one bit. Wound up exchanging it to my now beloved TSi3 with a Diamana D+ that's helped tremendously. Maybe consider a different shaft on your TSi3? 

[A.Princey]

Wasn’t the OG M1 ridiculously low spin and a bad fit for most players? Likely the same reason the TSi4 is being considered.

[phizzy30]

Go with the TSi4.  It gave me lower spin numbers than the SIM 2 I have in my bag by about 300 rpm on average when I demoed it at the local store. 

[New_Guy]

21 hours ago, mallrat said:

I hope whatever driver you choose works for you. 
 

That said, why do you (or people in general) come here and ask for advice/opinions and then tell the people that are answering your questions that they are wrong? 

 

I'm not exactly sure what your referring too, I asked a question then posted my numbers between the tsi3 and tsi4. I was them told I'm wrong even though I did side by side test with exact shaft.

[MH2]

I gamed the tsi3 for a while before switching the the Callaway 💎💎💎. I liked both drivers but recently picked up a tsi4 and I don’t understand how everyone thinks this head is hard to hit. I have 6 rounds with so far and love it. Longer and possibly straighter for me. 

[NicholasP]

On 11/15/2021 at 11:46 PM, mallrat said:

I hope whatever driver you choose works for you. 
 

That said, why do you (or people in general) come here and ask for advice/opinions and then tell the people that are answering your questions that they are wrong? 

Hilarious, a few posts in and I thought the same thing.  Reminds of when my wife asks my opinion, why bother🤣.  I will say, while the original posters results are probably not the norm, good on you for finding a head that gets you to the RPM'S you're looking for.  I personally only saw about a 400 drop from TSI 3 to 4.  

Edited November 17, 2021 by NicholasP

[10&8]

Looks like numbers with TSi4 are ideal then. Why not stick with that?

[Bdck]

On 11/15/2021 at 9:20 PM, third-times-a-charm said:

I would not recommend moving to the TSi4 just because you need a spin reduction. If you are spinning the TSi3 3500RPM something else is wrong. There's plenty of people playing the 3 or even the TSi2 at under 2600RPM easily.

 

The TSi4 is a terribly unforgiving driver head.

Tsi4 has been working well for me!  It's a bomber!

[Nixhex524]

I would expect the Sim2 to spin quite a bit more than the TSi4, maybe even more than the TSi3.  Like a previous poster said, the OG SIM is probably a better option for low spin if that's what you are looking for, or an 8* SIM2 lofted down possibly?

[Whodamon1]

On 11/15/2021 at 9:20 PM, third-times-a-charm said:

The TSi4 is a terribly unforgiving driver head.

This is just not true. (No offense intended) I had the TS4, which was supposed to be unforgiving, and I never found that to be the case.  That being said, I now have a TSi4, and believe it to be more forgiving than the TS4.  I am just down stream from my 4th back surgery in the last 3 years and am struggling with consistency and finding the middle.  I don't have any issues at all playing my TSi4.

it is surprisingly easy to hit.

  

[DeCuchi]

Only way to know for sure is to try.  People seem to forget that we as golfers react to the club as well.  I different shape, face angle, appearance at address, size, or feel can easily lead to a different delivery based on our own personal reaction to it.  Maybe your strike has just improved due to something as simple as the size of the face.   Whatever it is it seems to be working for you, so go for it.

[New_Guy]

Have a sim2 and sim both 8 degree on the way.

Multiple shafts too

[Jut]

On 11/17/2021 at 1:04 PM, Whodamon1 said:

This is just not true. (No offense intended) I had the TS4, which was supposed to be unforgiving, and I never found that to be the case.  That being said, I now have a TSi4, and believe it to be more forgiving than the TS4.  I am just down stream from my 4th back surgery in the last 3 years and am struggling with consistency and finding the middle.  I don't have any issues at all playing my TSi4.

it is surprisingly easy to hit.

  

I know that this is an older thread, but since I recently starting gaming a TSi4 I wanted to chime in.  I love it and find it just as easy to hit as the other drivers I've recently used (SIM Max, LTD X, etc.).  I don't have top speed (97-101 MPH), but I generate too much spin with the driver.  The TSi4 has been a real godsend.  Also, I'm a decent player, but driving the golf ball is certainly not one of my strengths.  For those considering it, I would not write off the TSi4 due to thinking you need a high swing speed or that it lacks forgiveness.  Just my experience and two cents to share.  

[dfwcanuck]

Sim all day. TSi4 has to be hit perfect to get the optimal performance. 

[Whodamon1]

21 hours ago, dfwcanuck said:

Sim all day. TSi4 has to be hit perfect to get the optimal performance. 

Not true

[BostonWRX]

I went from Sim to TSI4 and I find no forgiveness difference really. In the past the Titleist 4 models have not been that forgiving but this model launches the ball so high with low spin I have 0 forgiveness issues with it. Any solid ball striker that is high spin I think it will be a good driver for. 

[etrichards]

Not the exact same clubs, and not an ideal comparison as it wasnt a real fitting - but I am not surprised.   I was trying the new Callaway's and Cobra's while waiting to talk to a friend who works as a golf pro/fitter.  I was spinning all of them too much (Including the triple diamond).    2800-3200.  They had the lowest spin "stock" shaft for their model, but I did not get into other shafts.   When I hit the TSi4 my spin dropped to 1900-2100.  

 

Also not ideal as it was the first time I had swung in 3-4 months.  I bring this up because, while it wasnt my best performance - I didnt struggle with the TSi4 nearly as much as I would have expected based on its reputation.   I'm not saying its as forgiving as the Callaway LS model - but it wasnt drastically behind it either.  

 

I got a deal too good to pass up on a TSi3 - which is very promising early on.  But if it doesnt work out - I will go for a proper fitting and wouldnt be suprised if the TSi4 came out on top.