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I'm suffering from analysis paralysis and not sure where to go with these iron sets. 

 

I'm moving my wife into new irons and cant decide between them. She is a sweeper with most clubs and needs height/spin. She doesnt care about feel or looks, just performance.

 

PXG 0211 w/ MMT L or A

Honma TW-X w/ Aldila NV A or Fuji Vista Pro R2

Apex 21 "Sweet Spot" Combo w/ Aldila NV A or Fuji Vista Pro R2

Srixon ZX5 w/ Aldila NV A or Fuji Vista Pro R2

 

I can find MPF data for 2 of the 4 which leaves me not knowing about the CG location on the 0211 or the Honma TW-X sets.

 

If anyone has experience with all or some of these can you tell me which you either feel would be good for an 'A flex' player that needs the height/spin?

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I have done some testing with the 0211 with a PXG rep and if you are wanting to get her more spin I would not go that way. Those are very low spin and really strong lofted. Out of those options I would think that the Srixon ZX5 irons would be the best way to go. Aldila NV A would probably be a great fit with those. 

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26 minutes ago, PDWALKER said:

I have done some testing with the 0211 with a PXG rep and if you are wanting to get her more spin I would not go that way. Those are very low spin and really strong lofted. Out of those options I would think that the Srixon ZX5 irons would be the best way to go. Aldila NV A would probably be a great fit with those. 

 

Good point with the stronger lofts - leading to lower trajectory and spin.

 

My issue with the ZX5s is that VT sole grind and being a sweeper?

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1 hour ago, third-times-a-charm said:

 

Good point with the stronger lofts - leading to lower trajectory and spin.

 

My issue with the ZX5s is that VT sole grind and being a sweeper?

 

Intuitively the V sole makes sense for diggers, but alot of sweepers love that sole. I am one of them. It makes the iron play thinner (easier to pick), and the turf interaction you do get it smooth and rewarding. Especially on tighter fairways. Are you in FL? Ian on TXG mentions the grind alot, especially in older videos where both he and Matt were playing the 765s and fit alot of pickers into them as well or the 565s. Can probably find a bunch of threads on it - here's one: 

 

 

PING G410+ 9* TPO 60S 

Cobra F6 Baffler 17.5*

Callaway Apex 20* AD DI 85s

Srixon 585 5-6, Z785 7-PW Modus 120S

50 Cleveland RTX 4

56 and 60, TM Hi Toe

EVNROLL ER3

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3 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

I'm suffering from analysis paralysis and not sure where to go with these iron sets. 

 

I'm moving my wife into new irons and cant decide between them. She is a sweeper with most clubs and needs height/spin. She doesnt care about feel or looks, just performance.

 

PXG 0211 w/ MMT L or A

Honma TW-X w/ Aldila NV A or Fuji Vista Pro R2

Apex 21 "Sweet Spot" Combo w/ Aldila NV A or Fuji Vista Pro R2

Srixon ZX5 w/ Aldila NV A or Fuji Vista Pro R2

 

I can find MPF data for 2 of the 4 which leaves me not knowing about the CG location on the 0211 or the Honma TW-X sets.

 

If anyone has experience with all or some of these can you tell me which you either feel would be good for an 'A flex' player that needs the height/spin?

The 0211s are going to be more forgiving and a larger head then the Apex and Srixons for sure.  The 0311Ps would be the more appropriate comparison club in that group.

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On 11/17/2021 at 2:20 PM, PDWALKER said:

I have done some testing with the 0211 with a PXG rep and if you are wanting to get her more spin I would not go that way. Those are very low spin and really strong lofted.

Would weakening the lofts by 2 degrees make a difference in spin? 

 

Put another way, if you compared the 0211DC 8 iron  (32 degrees loft) with another brand/model 7iron with the same 32 degrees of loft, would they perform similarly?

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Small update on the progress on this...

 

I was originally going to go with the Apex 21 with a DCB in the 5i but the set came in bad condition from CPO for the price and stated condition. So back they go. Same thing with the Srixon ZX5's  with price/condition and the fact most sets dont come with an AW which she needs and is $149 more from Srixon.

 

The $599 deal for the NEW full set of Honma TW-X in the exact set makeup my wife needs (5-AW) is too good to pass up. After reading around at all the feedback and reviews these seem like they are extremely forgiving, the highest spin, retain spin on low strikes, and feel like a forged iron.


Not only that but the lofts on the TW-X are fairly 'traditional' for a forged players iron and we wont need to bend or get her new wedges/woods to work around the extremely strong lofts of the PXG 0211's - for example. The PXG 0211 deal with L or A flex MMT shafts is a REALLY good deal for the price if you can deal with those lofts and the low spin, though.

 

I grabbed an Apex 21 7i for my wife to test at the range against her current Nike (cast) 7i and of ALL the things i told her to pay attention to.....she noticed the 'soft' (forged) feel the most. From someone who self-proclaims she doesnt really care about that stuff after finally hitting balls with a forged iron she picks that out of all the things that she likes.

 

Naturally she had no comments on the differences between her old W-flex Fubuki shafts vs the new R2/A flex shaft we were testing. Go figure. "They feel the same" she says 🙄

 

Going to build her up the Honma set with the demo shafts and do some more testing and then when we land on which shaft works best I'll build the whole set.

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