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2 hours ago, Haroputt said:

There a fellow in our golf group who I played with for five years and I never seen him repair ball marks   Never seen him

tap a spike mark 

should I speak up and say something to him about it 

 

 

'Hey, come here and I'll show you how to fix a ball mark! Look, this is yours. I'll fix it now but you will fix the next one, ok?'

 

Not saying anything is equal to accepting it, IMHO.

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My approach is to fix their mark deliberately and when they cannot avoid becoming aware I'm tidying their mess. Don't recall it ever failing to produce improved behaviour, suggesting (happily) I've never played with a psychopath. I agree with Mr B, you need to do something, and if it is doesn't work, you need to escalate the process. Ditto for failing to rake bunkers and fill divots.

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Yep, "I got it for you."  If that doesn't elicit an expression of recognition and gratitude then an education talk is in order.

 

We all forget stuff, I'm definitely not immune if I'm in my own little world, lol, and I don't mind if I forget being reminded and we'll fix each others out of reflex if it is near our own ball or line.  If a bunch of  yahoos played an event the afternoon or day before, we're often fixing several as time allows.

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Depends on his personality, and the reason why he doesn't. If he is clueless, and doesn't know that it is simply one of the basics of golf etiquette, telling him might work. However, if he's been playing (and undoubtedly watching) golf for over five years, he's obviously seen countless people fix ball marks. It would be difficult to imagine that he doesn't know he should.

 

A beginner in his first season I'd get, they are often unaware, at first, of the common courtesies - fixing ball marks, raking traps, fixing divots, etc. But after five years? He's either seriously unobservant, or he knows he ought to fix the greens and has just decided it is not something he wants to bother with. I have met people now and then that are, simply put, just rude. If that's the case, bringing it up may well have him dig his heels in even more.

 

So this is slightly puzzling - doesn't make sense that he's ignorant of basic etiquette, but if he actually is just an a**hole, you probably wouldn't have been playing with him for five years.

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16 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

Tell him "hey man, you gotta repair your ball marks"

 

 

I did that to a guy some 20 years ago when he did not repair his divot hole (on the very 1st hole). I carried the divot to him, he stared at me for a while and then repaired the divot hole. After we had finished that hole he went totally berserk and refused to continue with me. His wife seemed mildly put embarrassed 😁

 

So, it did not help that time.

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43 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

I did that to a guy some 20 years ago when he did not repair his divot hole (on the very 1st hole). I carried the divot to him, he stared at me for a while and then repaired the divot hole. After we had finished that hole he went totally berserk and refused to continue with me. His wife seemed mildly put embarrassed 😁

 

So, it did not help that time.

Sounds like a great success to me.

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On 12/4/2021 at 6:08 PM, charli said:

I find it hard to believe he’s never had his own ball mark in front of his ball. Or for that matter another ball mark. Does he just say screw and putt through them? Especially if he’s playing public 

Aaaah, therein lies the problem with some guys. They’ll walk up to their ball on the green and take a cursory glance within a couple feet of where the ball came to rest. If they don’t see a mark nearby they don’t fix one. Same if their ball lands on but bounces off the green. Those guys never seem to fix the mark where the ball landed.

 

 Funny how they also seem to be the guys that complain the most about the condition of the greens.

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1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

Aaaah, therein lies the problem with some guys. They’ll walk up to their ball on the green and take a cursory glance within a couple feet of where the ball came to rest. If they don’t see a mark nearby they don’t fix one. Same if their ball lands on but bounces off the green. Those guys never seem to fix the mark where the ball landed.

 

 Funny how they also seem to be the guys that complain the most about the condition of the greens.

Yeah I just don’t see how it’s possible. Even if a really bad golfer there’s bound to be a ball mark near his ball that’s not even his. Just another guys. I know god forbid someone fixes someone else’s ball mark 

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9 minutes ago, charli said:

Yeah I just don’t see how it’s possible. Even if a really bad golfer there’s bound to be a ball mark near his ball that’s not even his. Just another guys. I know god forbid someone fixes someone else’s ball mark 

Maybe because some only seem to want to fix their mark.  If it’s not fresh it’s not getting fixed.

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5 minutes ago, charli said:

Yeah I just don’t see how it’s possible. Even if a really bad golfer there’s bound to be a ball mark near his ball that’s not even his. Just another guys. I know god forbid someone fixes someone else’s ball mark 

 

You don't play with old men who can hit a crop duster 3 wood from 120 yards that makes two skippy ball marks before ending up at the back of the green. No way they're walking around looking for anyone's ball marks. Jeez Louise, they can't see that far and have no idea how their ball got to where it did. 😉

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On 12/4/2021 at 11:47 AM, ArtMBgolf said:

How is his other etiquette?  
  
Does he ever hit a good short iron where the ball mark is right next 
to his ball.    That would be a great time to explain it to him.    
 
Does he rake bunkers, fix divots, etc?   

Etiquette? For whom?

 

To me, it seems like this is the type of guy who plays in tank-tops and has the blue-tooth speaker syncd to the phone so half of the golf course can hear his degenerate music.

 

So perhaps that is his etiquette for him and the whole growing the game crowd:  "ah, someone will fix it, they have people who work here for that, right?"

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Maybe it's just me, maybe it was junior golf, but I look upon repairing a ball mark as a badge of honor and something I actually enjoy doing.  

 

If you leave me alone on a green long enough, and I'll repair every mark out there. I carry my repair tool on the practice green. I'm super weird, I know.

 

We always talk about "how you identify a 'player'" around here. A willingness and ability to repair a ball mark is a sure sign in my book.

 

Also referring to it as a "ball mark" rather than a "divot" - which is of course a completely different thing and a completely different curmudgeonly discussion. 

 

Don't even get me started on the misapplication of the term "shank."

 

 

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If he was one of my good buddies, it would be "hey, fix your ball mark dumb-a**"  Question, does this guy rake bunkers?  

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On 12/4/2021 at 1:14 PM, Haroputt said:

Too be fair most times I played with him

are warm summer days and never really notice until this winter 

Also how do I really know if it’s his ball mark  there are so many ball marks on the greens that no one repairs 

What difference does it make whose ball mark it is?  I fix 3 or 4 every green.  Be part of the solution.  

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Times and golf have changed. Everyone knows about ball marks, divots and raking bunkers. They just choose not to do it. They're just jerks who probably shouldn't trust in business or in life or to follow through on any job.

 

There's no "Oh, I never learned that." nonsense.

 

No one ever says, "Wow, thanks for showing me how to fix my ball mark. And I'll look to fix a few others while I'm waiting to putt. You've changed my personality and character..."

 

 

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3 hours ago, LeoLeo99 said:

What difference does it make whose ball mark it is?  I fix 3 or 4 every green.  Be part of the solution.  

 

Well, if you and I fix 3-4 on every green there must be 2-3 persons per every hole who do not give a f-word. Why should we be the ones who care for the course??? IMO it belongs to all those who use the course.

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3 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

Times and golf have changed. Everyone knows about ball marks, divots and raking bunkers. They just choose not to do it. They're just jerks who probably shouldn't trust in business or in life or to follow through on any job.

 

There's no "Oh, I never learned that." nonsense.

 

No one ever says, "Wow, thanks for showing me how to fix my ball mark. And I'll look to fix a few others while I'm waiting to putt. You've changed my personality and character..."

 

 

I'm convinced there's a large number of golfers out there who think this is the "job" for the maintenance crew, not them. And I have to wonder if that's because no one ever told them it's in fact their job. Especially with all the new golfers who seemed to take up the game recently in the covid era, it's made me realize that they've all just headed out there without any guidance on this whole "etiquette" stuff. 

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