BST Warning

[KC13]

Hi MODS!

 

Trying to figure out how listing a head and then listing that head with an installed shaft would qualify as the same "item" under the listing rules? The acknowledge warning request phrase stated "just cause you add a shaft does not make it a new item", please help me identify this statement with the listing rules?  Seems a bit ambiguous and maybe I am lacking some sort of understanding but I would not consider them to be the same item.   If I sold just the head, the buyer would get just the head.  If I sold the head and shaft as a complete club, well the buyer would get a complete club.  I view this as two different items.  #ChangeMyMind   

 

Thanks in advance.  

 

- KC 

[lookylookitzadam]

List it as head only price and head plus shaft price. It’s the same item(s). 
 

Think of it as a bundle with the base item as the head and you’re adding on to that bundle by including a shaft. 

Edited January 18, 2022 by lookylookitzadam

[KC13]

2 minutes ago, lookylookitzadam said:

List it as head only price and head plus shaft price. It’s the same item(s). 
 

Think of it as a bundle with the base item as the head and you’re adding on to that bundle by including a shaft. 

Context, I listed a ping head only a week or so ago.  Today I listed the head with a shaft attached to it.  Did not offer to separate the two, sold as complete club.  By definition, I believe that to be two different items for sale (head vs whole club).  

 

- KC 

[lookylookitzadam]

Gotcha, I’m not a mod but I think the violation is for this rule:

 

No item may be relisted within 30 days of the start date of the original listing

 

Since it’s technically the same item, the same head, you can’t repost it within 30 days. 

[squishyy]

If the shaft is removable with an adapter, you are technically selling the same item again. A buyer can ask for a price on head only if the shaft might not fit him so this would entice you to sell just the head only. In the end, you are still selling the same head.

[GwrxMod]

32 minutes ago, KC13 said:

Hi MODS!

 

Trying to figure out how listing a head and then listing that head with an installed shaft would qualify as the same "item" under the listing rules? The acknowledge warning request phrase stated "just cause you add a shaft does not make it a new item", please help me identify this statement with the listing rules?  Seems a bit ambiguous and maybe I am lacking some sort of understanding but I would not consider them to be the same item.   If I sold just the head, the buyer would get just the head.  If I sold the head and shaft as a complete club, well the buyer would get a complete club.  I view this as two different items.  #ChangeMyMind   

 

Thanks in advance.  

 

- KC 

 

 

It's the same head as stated in your warning. You could or should have added the shaft to the ad from last week with the head. 

[KC13]

10 minutes ago, squishyy said:

If the shaft is removable with an adapter, you are technically selling the same item again. A buyer can ask for a price on head only if the shaft might not fit him so this would entice you to sell just the head only. In the end, you are still selling the same head.

Your hypothesis would make sense however, my ad did not offer head only like a prior BST post did therefore, not the true definition of "same item"... right?  I guess this is were the ambiguity comes in... its not clear within the listing rules.  

Edited January 18, 2022 by KC13

[llewol007]

Shoulda just tweaked your original Ad and just added the shaft to your Ad rather than starting a brand new Ad 

[KC13]

2 minutes ago, GwrxMod said:

 

 

It's the same head as stated in your warning. You could or should have added the shaft to the ad from last week with the head. 

But its a different "item" based on the listing rules language.  It is not itemized as head only (again), would this not be a different "item" with the head now attached to a shaft?  Very "grey/gray" area here... 

 

Note, this is all in good faith.  Not here to argue, just discuss the interpretation of a "rule".  

 

- KC 

[KC13]

10 minutes ago, llewol007 said:

Shoulda just tweaked your original Ad and just added the shaft to your Ad rather than starting a brand new Ad 

Again, we are using the term "item" here as used in the listing rules language.  I will follow the rules but wanted to open a discussion and understand how listing two items with two different price points, specs and descriptions would be considered the "same".

 

- KC 

[mokedaddy]

Same serial number, same item.  

[llewol007]

No grey area here. Rule states must wait 30 days. Regardless if you stick a shaft on it or change the head cover, the Mods look at it as the same thing. Some thing to keep in mind for your next Ad.

[KC13]

3 minutes ago, mokedaddy said:

Same serial number, same item.  

Different shaft, different item.  "Same" means identical, "item" meaning article or unit.  

 

An item listed as head only vs complete club would not be identical.  Aspects of the club are the same but by definition, the are not the "same item".  The rules do not distinguish this. 

 

Example; I list a set of Titleist 716 AP2s with Tour Velvet 360 Grips two weeks ago.  I then post a new listing with Srixon Z785s which also have Tour Velvet 360 Grips, is this the "same item"?  Both have Tour Velvet 360 grips... 

[Abh159]

7 minutes ago, KC13 said:

Different shaft, different item.  "Same" means identical, "item" meaning article or unit.  

 

An item listed as head only vs complete club would not be identical.  Aspects of the club are the same but by definition, the are not the "same item".  The rules do not distinguish this. 

 

Example; I list a set of Titleist 716 AP2s with Tour Velvet 360 Grips two weeks ago.  I then post a new listing with Srixon Z785s which also have Tour Velvet 360 Grips, is this the "same item"?  Both have Tour Velvet 360 grips... 

 

This isn't a good comparison. Those are two totally different items (irons) that happened to have the same model (not exact same item) grips on them.

 

A better example would be... You list 716 irons with 360 grips one week. The next week you cut off the 360 grips and put some MCC's on it. You then try to relist it as a "different item" just because it has different grips but they are the exact same irons. Would you consider these two different items because of the grips, or are they the same item with different grips?

 

In your current situation...

 

Driver head - Item #1

Driver head with shaft - Item #1 with the shaft 

 

Same driver head, same item. Doesn't matter if you added the shaft or not you're still trying to list the same item.

Edited January 18, 2022 by Abh159

[Valtiel]

6 minutes ago, KC13 said:

Different shaft, different item.  "Same" means identical, "item" meaning article or unit.  

 

An item listed as head only vs complete club would not be identical.  Aspects of the club are the same but by definition, the are not the "same item".  The rules do not distinguish this. 

 

Example; I list a set of Titleist 716 AP2s with Tour Velvet 360 Grips two weeks ago.  I then post a new listing with Srixon Z785s which also have Tour Velvet 360 Grips, is this the "same item"?  Both have Tour Velvet 360 grips... 

I think that is starting to get into nitpicky semantics territory there, an area that the mods have addressed. Grips aren't the item being sold, the irons are, so they are obviously different. The driver in this context is the item being sold, no matter how you "dress it up" so to speak. 

[mokedaddy]

10 minutes ago, KC13 said:

Different shaft, different item.  "Same" means identical, "item" meaning article or unit.  

 

An item listed as head only vs complete club would not be identical.  Aspects of the club are the same but by definition, the are not the "same item".  The rules do not distinguish this. 

 

Example; I list a set of Titleist 716 AP2s with Tour Velvet 360 Grips two weeks ago.  I then post a new listing with Srixon Z785s which also have Tour Velvet 360 Grips, is this the "same item"?  Both have Tour Velvet 360 grips... 

you can sell a car without wheels, just because you add wheels doesn’t make it a different item.

[KC13]

15 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

I think that is starting to get into nitpicky semantics territory there, an area that the mods have addressed. Grips aren't the item being sold, the irons are, so they are obviously different. The driver in this context is the item being sold, no matter how you "dress it up" so to speak. 

I disagree considering grips, shafts and head are all sold separately or complete.  

 

I am being very nitpicky.  I tangibly see a difference in the sale of a head only vs a complete club (head, shaft & grip).  Its is not the "same item" by definition if you use the English dictionary.  

 

To me listing the same item would be listing the head only twice over within the 30 days.  

 

From the looks of it, I am mistaken based on reply's but always up for a good banter  To me, words matter, not some unwritten rule or subjective view on what "same item" means.  

 

- KC 

[DFS PFD]

This is not as complicated as you'd like to make it seem, rather cut and dry no matter how much you'd like to argue "gray area interpretation", which as long as it is up to interpretation, the mods make the final decision as they've already done. This is not the hill to die on, you relisted the same driver, trying to exploit a (non-existent) loophole adding the shaft to same club, when you could have just edited your original listing. 

[KC13]

4 minutes ago, DFS PFD said:

This is not as complicated as you'd like to make it seem, rather cut and dry no matter how much you'd like to argue "gray area interpretation", which as long as it is up to interpretation, the mods make the final decision as they've already done. This is not the hill to die on, you relisted the same driver, trying to exploit a (non-existent) loophole adding the shaft to same club, when you could have just edited your original listing. 

Or is it "grey"... 😉

Edited January 18, 2022 by KC13

[BombinJim]

If a seller cannot fulfill both ads at the same time then the seller shouldn’t have two different listings at the same time.

[KC13]

Thanks all for your input and as stated above, ultimately the Mods make the final decision.  Enjoyed it!  

 

- KC 

[KC13]

Just now, BombinJim said:

If a seller cannot fulfill both ads at the same time then the seller shouldn’t have two different listings at the same time.

Which I certainly don't but thanks for the hypothetical.  That rule is very clear as to having one listing opened at a time. 

 

"Members are allowed ONE open listing with a maximum of 10 items." 

 

- KC