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Working on my swing, my instructor suggested I set and bow my wrist at the top of the swing, or at least play with it.  I have taken some swings with it, and it certainly "locks" my wrist down.  The result is a shallower swing, almost no divot, bit more of an exit left with my body, and a lower ball with a draw flight.  My 7-iron carry jumped from 175 to 185 due to the lower trajectory.  Mostly flush strikes when thinking about it.

 

Previously, I was neutral with my wrist. 

 

What is the purpose of the bowed wrist? It it to prevent flipping?   Hold the angle of the club through the impact?  It definitely feels like I am "locking" down my wrist action throughout the swing without thinking about it.  I tend to try and accelerate the club with my hands at times.  Bowing removes my hands completely out of the swing, which is a good thing, as I have extremely high grip strength from many years of sport climbing and that grip strength can encourage me to swing with my forearms and hands.  The bowed wrist removes this tendency.  However, hitting it lower and left is a tradeoff so far that I am working with.   

 

For those of you who do this, is it fairly extreme? Something you think about? Or something simply to remove unwanted wrist movements?  You can see how it would minimize swing path deviation, which overall is a good thing.  

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If you tend to leave the face open from a sound, neutral grip, then bowing the lead wrist is not a bad thing to work on; but if you already play with a typically square or strong face, this move will see you hit hooks. 

 

When your grip is on the neutral / weak side and you’re coming into impact dynamically , your face will be open therefore bowing is necessary to square the face. 
 

With a strong lead hand grip you’ll be dynamically playing from a more square / strong face therefore the bowing isn’t necessary and would lead to hooks. 
 

I tried to play from a neutral lead hand grip for a long time but could never make the bowing work and my wrist always felt compromised. 
 

Malaska changed me  to a strong lead hand grip last year and my club face control and awareness improved a lot. 
 

 

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32 minutes ago, CB67 said:

If you tend to leave the face open from a sound, neutral grip, then bowing the lead wrist is not a bad thing to work on; but if you already play with a typically square or strong face, this move will see you hit hooks. 

 

When your grip is on the neutral / weak side and you’re coming into impact dynamically , your face will be open therefore bowing is necessary to square the face. 
 

With a strong lead hand grip you’ll be dynamically playing from a more square / strong face therefore the bowing isn’t necessary and would lead to hooks. 
 

I tried to play from a neutral lead hand grip for a long time but could never make the bowing work and my wrist always felt compromised. 
 

Malaska changed me  to a strong lead hand grip last year and my club face control and awareness improved a lot. 
 

 

Totally agree (and I'm in the process of playng around with lead hand grip / lead wrist bow matchup to see what's more effective for me)... after switching to a stronger lead hand grip (thus not much bowing required) did you fight taking the club too much inside in the early stage of your backswing? Seems like it sets the lead forearm with more pronation at address and rotation early on (with trail wrist looking to extend) while the neutral/weaker lead hand grip seems to allow more of an early radial/vertical hinge and bowing later on...

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More bowed (or less cupped) can help close the face, reduce loft, or sometimes lead to a shallower swing.  It can prevent flipping because it closes the face, and your body may naturally realize that it doesn't have to flip to get the face closed anymore.  The bowed wrist at the top often works better with a weak grip, because the effects of opening the face with a weak grip is offset with the bowed wrists.  Since it delofts the club, it could also be more helpful for a person who has good speed like you do.

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18 minutes ago, dsmil said:

More bowed (or less cupped) can help close the face, reduce loft, or sometimes lead to a shallower swing.  It can prevent flipping because it closes the face, and your body may naturally realize that it doesn't have to flip to get the face closed anymore.  The bowed wrist at the top often works better with a weak grip, because the effects of opening the face with a weak grip is offset with the bowed wrists.  Since it delofts the club, it could also be more helpful for a person who has good speed like you do.


For me it was actually the opposite , I actually took it inside and fanned open a lot with the weaker lead hand grip and once I strengthened the lead hand grip it allowed me to keep the club face pointing at the ball longer and more on plane instead of sucking it inside and open. 
 

I also used to try to close off the stance and play a big hook where I was such a bad flipper so a lot of that probably had to do with the reason I was sucking it in and fanning it before the grip change. 
 

Now I play a strong grip fade. 
 

 

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3 hours ago, RoyalMustang said:

Working on my swing, my instructor suggested I set and bow my wrist at the top of the swing, or at least play with it.  I have taken some swings with it, and it certainly "locks" my wrist down.  The result is a shallower swing, almost no divot, bit more of an exit left with my body, and a lower ball with a draw flight.  My 7-iron carry jumped from 175 to 185 due to the lower trajectory.  Mostly flush strikes when thinking about it.

 

Previously, I was neutral with my wrist. 

 

What is the purpose of the bowed wrist? It it to prevent flipping?   Hold the angle of the club through the impact?  It definitely feels like I am "locking" down my wrist action throughout the swing without thinking about it.  I tend to try and accelerate the club with my hands at times.  Bowing removes my hands completely out of the swing, which is a good thing, as I have extremely high grip strength from many years of sport climbing and that grip strength can encourage me to swing with my forearms and hands.  The bowed wrist removes this tendency.  However, hitting it lower and left is a tradeoff so far that I am working with.   

 

For those of you who do this, is it fairly extreme? Something you think about? Or something simply to remove unwanted wrist movements?  You can see how it would minimize swing path deviation, which overall is a good thing.  

The real question is what do you actually see it doing for you. ?   As in when you implement it what happens ?  

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3 hours ago, RoyalMustang said:

Working on my swing, my instructor suggested I set and bow my wrist at the top of the swing, or at least play with it.  I have taken some swings with it, and it certainly "locks" my wrist down.  The result is a shallower swing, almost no divot, bit more of an exit left with my body, and a lower ball with a draw flight.  My 7-iron carry jumped from 175 to 185 due to the lower trajectory.  Mostly flush strikes when thinking about it.

 

Previously, I was neutral with my wrist. 

 

What is the purpose of the bowed wrist? It it to prevent flipping?   Hold the angle of the club through the impact?  It definitely feels like I am "locking" down my wrist action throughout the swing without thinking about it.  I tend to try and accelerate the club with my hands at times.  Bowing removes my hands completely out of the swing, which is a good thing, as I have extremely high grip strength from many years of sport climbing and that grip strength can encourage me to swing with my forearms and hands.  The bowed wrist removes this tendency.  However, hitting it lower and left is a tradeoff so far that I am working with.   

 

For those of you who do this, is it fairly extreme? Something you think about? Or something simply to remove unwanted wrist movements?  You can see how it would minimize swing path deviation, which overall is a good thing.  

For heaven’s sake, ask the instructor. Should have already.

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Just now, RoyalMustang said:

 

He is on vacation-I have another lesson in 3 weeks when he is back.

 

I always find that I do better at learning to implement something when I understand the "why" behind it.  

 

17 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

The real question is what do you actually see it doing for you. ?   As in when you implement it what happens ?  

 

Lower ball flight, moderate draw action but stronger left hip first exit as my hands are back

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Athletic Motion Golf has a video “ Flat left wrist at the top of the backswing” highlighting the use of the Hackmotion Sensor”.

They said that among the pros they tested the tendency was towards a slightly cupped wrist at the top. 
This is confirmed by the Hackmotion database.

It is unfortunate that Dustin Johnson’s extremely bowed lead wrist along with his strong grip has been used as a example to emulate by some  amateurs and teaching pros. Dustin’s mobility is off of the charts even by tour standards .

It is probably impossible for those with average mobility or even above average mobility  to bow their lead wrist at the top if they have a strong grip.That is not to say that a strongly cupped lead wrist at the top is desirable ; it is NOT . But a slightly cupped  lead wrist like most pros who have a strong grip is  and should be the goal instead of bowing the lead wrist at the top.

Considering that righties or lefties use their trail hand for most of their activities , it might be easier to emphasize more extension in the trail wrist rather than more flexion in the lead wrist . Hackmotion data shows that most of move towards extension in the trail wrist happens in the backswing with only a small additional amount occurring in transition. 
 

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