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3HL will have a longer shaft and larger head

 

lofting down a 5 wood will open the club face

 

all depends on what you like. I like to play a 3 wood around the 16/16.5 degree but I like the face to be closed since it’s my draw club, so I loft up 15 degree heads 🤷🏽‍♂️

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I've got a 16 degree and a 19 degree club. They both serve a purpose. I never considered an either or scenario.

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Lofted down 5 wood for sure

  • Opens the face (anti left)
  • Heavier head makes it easier to hit your ideal swing weight at 42" 
  • Shorter shaft = more control (isn't that the whole point in this club?) 
  • I find there's less gear effect on a 5 wood head vs a 3 wood head 
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Depends on the head I think And the person. and the goal.    I have a Sim2 max 16.5 head that’s really so easy to hit it’s incredible.  And it launches up which is what I wanted.  So it’s not really a 3 wood at all. Some of these heads at 16.5 are too flat ( flight ) and end up producing 3 wood distances.  And at the same time are not as forgiving.  That to me really defeats the idea. 
 

 

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33 minutes ago, RCGA said:

Lofted down 5 wood for sure

  • Opens the face (anti left)
  • Heavier head makes it easier to hit your ideal swing weight at 42" 
  • Shorter shaft = more control (isn't that the whole point in this club?) 
  • I find there's less gear effect on a 5 wood head vs a 3 wood head 

 

I tend to agree with all of the above. 

 

I purchased a Tour Issue 5w last year precisely so I could have something in between my 10.5o driver and my 21o 7w. 

 

The Tour Issue 5w is 17.5o with a 2.2o open face. Not sure what that makes it officially play at but it gives me the cuppy face and general heft of a 5w with a stronger, more penetrating flight that resists going left. 

 

It's friendly like a 5w, powerful like a stronger club and doesn't seem to waver far offline. 

 

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My opinion - if you can find the head you like in a 16.5 loft go that route.  You can loft down a 5w to achieve similar, but to me that is a bit of a compromise (open face, smaller head, shorter shaft).  I'll take the slightly longer shaft length for some extra pop off the tee as a true 3W replacement.  Can always be choked down to knock 10-15 yards off as well.  

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Wish some manufacturer made a 3 wood CC 5 wood 🙂

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I've found that most 16.5s are still based more on the 3w just with more loft and that the corresponding 5w isn't necessarily the same. In other words the 16.5s still have bigger head size and lower spin, but jumping up to a 5w is a bigger yardage gap than expected, even within the same model of clubs. Just my experience, could simply be trying the wrong clubs for me.

 

Callaway 5Deep has been the perfect compromise for me for a while now.

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I guess it really depends on if you want a 4WD or a 5WD, what gap are you trying to cover, and what club you're trying to replace.

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It's also worth pointing out that you should really be considering specific clubs here and not just take for granted the loft stamped on the hosel or that "3w" and "5w" automatically mean certain things. For instance, many off-the-rack clubs come with a closed face. Is that preferable?  

 

I remember have an RBZ black 3HL and it was short as heck distance-wise, even with the longer shaft. The closed face probably added more loft and it just ballooned up in the air--more evidence that shafts matter in this type of conversation. 

 

You could make an argument that speaking in generalities about this sort of thing is useless. You put a quality shaft in a strong 5w and it'll be a cannon. Put a whippy shaft in a 3HL and it's potential can be reduced somewhat noticeably. 

 

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I prefer the lofted down 5 wood because I need to use that club from the deck. Shorter shaft, heavier and smaller head is much easier for me to control. Prefer an open or neutral face as well. Able to go hard or take some off without fear of the lefts. 

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4 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Depends on the head I think And the person. and the goal.    I have a Sim2 max 16.5 head that’s really so easy to hit it’s incredible.  And it launches up which is what I wanted.  So it’s not really a 3 wood at all. Some of these heads at 16.5 are too flat ( flight ) and end up producing 3 wood distances.  And at the same time are not as forgiving.  That to me really defeats the idea. 
 

 

This.  My 16.5 HL 3 wood is predominately for hitting par 5 greens.  I want it high and landing soft.  5 wood in the same loft launched lower for me. 

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Depends on your bag make up, but both could/should be the answer.  While I game a hybrid in the "5wd loft" area of 19*, they each serve different purposes and don't over lap.  Also gives me flexibility to drop loft in my 4wd when needed.

 

If going with just 1 club, I would look at what your main miss is and how manipulating the face will exaggerate that miss on less than perfect swings.

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I go 5w (19*) lofted down to 17.5*.
 

Positives to me are- smaller/heavier head, open club face and shorter shaft.

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5 hours ago, MelloYello said:

 

I tend to agree with all of the above. 

 

I purchased a Tour Issue 5w last year precisely so I could have something in between my 10.5o driver and my 21o 7w. 

 

The Tour Issue 5w is 17.5o with a 2.2o open face. Not sure what that makes it officially play at but it gives me the cuppy face and general heft of a 5w with a stronger, more penetrating flight that resists going left. 

 

It's friendly like a 5w, powerful like a stronger club and doesn't seem to waver far offline. 

 

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What is your next club after the 7wood? I also have that and figuring which club to fill that gap

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3 hours ago, NZ315 said:

What is your next club after the 7wood? I also have that and figuring which club to fill that gap

 

I have a 22o 4i.

 

I hit it well enough and I pretty much only hit it off the tee one hole and maybe into one of my home course's Par-5 holes so it's plenty good enough. 

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Great feedback above.  Personally, I rarely carry a 3w.  When I do, it is course specific (non-driver holes) and is an old Adams Tightlies Strong 3.  Most of the time, I carry a G30 5w 18° lofted down to 16.5°.  Been carrying it for a few years and as others have said, the shorter length and ability to slightly open the face by lofting down takes my left miss away.  

 

I've tried carrying a 7w, but never seemed to hit it.  My bag steps from driver, 5w, 22° 4h.  Rather than carry a 3w, I will throw a 19° 3h in for longer courses.  I'm not chasing Par 5s in 2 anymore.  I more often need the 3h for approach on Par 4s over 420 yards.   

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2 hours ago, MelloYello said:

 

I have a 22o 4i.

 

I hit it well enough and I pretty much only hit it off the tee one hole and maybe into one of my home course's Par-5 holes so it's plenty good enough. 

Same.  Or similar I have a 24 degree 4 iron.  And it gaps nicely with the 7 wood.    Now to be clear , I do have a high launch setup on the 7 wood.  Not max distance. But that was what I wanted.  Soft landings at 220-225

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My personal choice is to buy clubs at the loft I prefer rather then opening/closing the face to try and achieve desired loft. Unless you are looking to help a fade/draw by opening/closing to straighten out, I’d go with 3HL. I bought my first 3HL 7-8 years ago to consolidate my 3 & 5 woods to 1 club and never looked back. Best of both worlds in my opinion. 

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4 hours ago, Leska said:

Thanks for All the pros/cons ! 

I think ill go the 5 Wood route and loft down, since i hate going left !

I think this year I am going TM Stealth 3HL but with a 0,5" shorter shaft to flatten the lie and maybe open the face a tiny bit (looks a bit closed in standard setup). Let's hope they finally offer swing weighting since I prefer D3,5 in my fairways. 

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