"Chicago Points" system scoring (for fairness across all handicaps)

[MUNIGRIT]

2 hours ago, Imp said:

Is the trip multiple rounds? Look into assigning points for 1st, 2nd, 3rd based on their gross and/or net placement for each round. Use stableford for finishing position, but event points are solely on their position, not cumulative stableford points. This way, you don't have to catch up to 10 points due to the sum of the rounds, but instead only have to worry about finishing ahead of the others on the next day/round, to get the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc... points. We do that for our trips and it works out great. Of 8 guys, after two rounds on day one, one was in 5th. 6th or so... and after the two rounds the next day, and the leaders falling back, it was close. On the single 3rd day round, won it. Didn't have to find 10 points, but much fewer. 

Yeah it is usually 4 rounds of golf. If you don't mind me asking what point values do you use for the various daily finishing positions?

[StudentGolfer4]

15 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

My guys golf trip scoring has evolved over the years and still evolving. We switched from stroke play to stableford so guys can just pick up on blowup holes to keep pace of play acceptable. We used to do a modified stableford which really favored the higher handicaps. The modified created some volatility which was nice but it seemed to favor the 15-20 handicaps. Now we do a regular stableford which seems to keep everyone involved but makes it hard to really make up ground if you get down by 10 points.  We could probably do one more tweak. We do the scoring net score with handicaps which seems obvious. 

Do you guys use full handicaps or 95% like the USGA suggests? I know it doesn’t make much difference, and won’t make any difference for single digit guys, but I like doing things by the book. 
Just curious. I’m planning a trip using stableford as well. 

[me05501]

18 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

My guys golf trip scoring has evolved over the years and still evolving. We switched from stroke play to stableford so guys can just pick up on blowup holes to keep pace of play acceptable. We used to do a modified stableford which really favored the higher handicaps. The modified created some volatility which was nice but it seemed to favor the 15-20 handicaps. Now we do a regular stableford which seems to keep everyone involved but makes it hard to really make up ground if you get down by 10 points.  We could probably do one more tweak. We do the scoring net score with handicaps which seems obvious. 

 

OP here.

 

The guy who keeps the scores for our trips told me that they used to give a half point for double bogeys but it led to higher handicappers outperforming too often. Now doubles are 0 and the winners have come from a wider range of handicaps. 

 

Our core group only has a couple of guys near scratch. There's a big block of us who shoot in the 80's and another large group who are expected to shoot 95-100. Another adjustment he made was to cap the highest expected score around 100 which makes sense when a triple is the maximum score on any hole. 

 

 

[MUNIGRIT]

40 minutes ago, me05501 said:

 

OP here.

 

The guy who keeps the scores for our trips told me that they used to give a half point for double bogeys but it led to higher handicappers outperforming too often. Now doubles are 0 and the winners have come from a wider range of handicaps. 

 

Our core group only has a couple of guys near scratch. There's a big block of us who shoot in the 80's and another large group who are expected to shoot 95-100. Another adjustment he made was to cap the highest expected score around 100 which makes sense when a triple is the maximum score on any hole. 

 

 

We used to deduct 2 for doubles and the higher handicaps definitely got the advantage with strokes. They can make a double and get a stroke to keep them from losing points. The real handicap is the late nights burning midnight oil which tends to effect everyone which tends t make sure nobody shoots consistently well for 4 days.

[MUNIGRIT]

3 hours ago, StudentGolfer4 said:

Do you guys use full handicaps or 95% like the USGA suggests? I know it doesn’t make much difference, and won’t make any difference for single digit guys, but I like doing things by the book. 
Just curious. I’m planning a trip using stableford as well. 

The worst guy was a 20 handicap so we subtracted 2 strokes from everyone so nobody double stroked. We have talked about doing 70 percent of handicap but haven't done it yet. 2 strokes was more than 70 percent for some guys and 10 percent for the worst guys. The guys that won this year was a 16 handicap because his tee shots suck. We played courses that had no trouble in front of the tees so he could hit his half topped drives 150 yards. He was good on getting up by the green and making par or bogey. Sprinkle in a few real birdies he ran away with it a bit at the end. 

[Imp]

10 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

Yeah it is usually 4 rounds of golf. If you don't mind me asking what point values do you use for the various daily finishing positions?

Depends on how many people for the weekend. Take your number of people multiply by 5. Then that's your 1st place points. Then decrease by 5 points by every person. So, if you have 12 people, 1st - 60, 2nd - 55, 3rd - 50, etc... 

 

Tied positions are averaged. (i.e. if 3 people tied for 3rd, then (50+45+40)/3 = 45 each.)

 

We also have a separate pool for gross stableford that the lower cap players will throw in $20/ea to a gross pot. Anyone can join, but high cappers stay away from... it's done to keep the low cappers in it because many times, net just stomps a lower HC in net stableford unless they have something to play for. So, with the separate pot, it keeps them working to win instead of giving up hope. 😉 We don't do higher handicap because there are maybe 4 players in the group over 12 HC. They can do it if they want. 😉

 

 

It's worked out well, keeps (almost) everyone in it a bit more. But if one player is on their game, then they're going to win anyways, as they should. 🙂