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6 minutes ago, Ghostwedge said:

Oh it gets better..... because he is still 200+ out he stands there for 5 minutes pulling 3 different clubs to hit. If he would have played from the right tee's he would have a short iron in and I wouldn't be wandering off into the rough to go look for balls while he jacks around. 

 

And he's 240 from the green but he has to wait for it to clear, even though it's only on a good day that he can drive the ball 240... From being teed up... With a 30 mph tailwind... 

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3 minutes ago, betarhoalphadelta said:

 

And he's 240 from the green but he has to wait for it to clear, even though it's only on a good day that he can drive the ball 240... From being teed up... With a 30 mph tailwind... 

 

You're too far out to actually see that he DID tee it up.  And he does have a driver in hand...

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4 hours ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Replant the dwarf evergreens elsewhere on the course.

 

Not so fast, DMM: Greenskeepers have gotten away from planting evergreens near the line of play for golf courses. Spruces and pines have shallow root systems, which can damage mowing equipment and injure golfers who hit a tree root just below the grass surface.

 

As far as distance markers go, these are helpful to casual golfers who don't play 100 rounds a year and don't pack a GPS or rangefinder. And, more and more courses are removing GPS units from carts to cut expenses.

 

Rent out GPS units? A major headache for the starter and pro shop.

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I like the yardage markers on the course.  One thing I miss is the old days when you were lucky to have a 150 marker and learning how to pace off yardages and estimate yardages visually.  That was a real skill.  I've always said that USGA should either go all in electronics or ban them completely.  I use my GPS watch every round and occasionally break out my laser rangefinder so I'm using what is allowed.  Don't understand why you can use a laser for distance but not slope.  USGA thinks judging slope is a skill but not distance. 

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I actually like using the 150 and 100 poles as points of reference for aiming my shot.

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I think the average golfer has become too dependent on lasers and GPS. It’s like an obsession. Is it 167 or 169? It’s a crutch.

 

And they still hit it into the same front right bunker they’ve been hitting it into since before lasers and GPS.

 

I finished the 8th grade, so I can estimate a distance from an unsightly marker to the center of the green. I must be a wizard or something.

 

I don’t want to brag, but I can even estimate wind and slope.

 

I doubt anyone has scored better using a laser than from pre-laser days. Don’t take away my yardage markers, bro.

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2 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

I think the average golfer has become too dependent on lasers and GPS. It’s like an obsession. Is it 167 or 169? It’s a crutch.

 

And they still hit it into the same front right bunker they’ve been hitting it into since before lasers and GPS.

 

I finished the 8th grade, so I can estimate a distance from an unsightly marker to the center of the green. I must be a wizard or something.

 

I don’t want to brag, but I can even estimate wind and slope.

 

I doubt anyone has scored better using a laser than from pre-laser days. Don’t take away my yardage markers, bro.

 

 We hear you.  But can we take away your cart paths?  😁

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2 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

I finished the 8th grade, so I can estimate a distance from an unsightly marker to the center of the green. I must be a wizard or something.

 

I don’t want to brag, but I can even estimate wind and slope.

 

I doubt anyone has scored better using a laser than from pre-laser days. Don’t take away my yardage markers, bro.

 

As someone with terrible eyesight (almost blind in one eye and the other isn't great either), I'm glad lasers and GPS aren't banned.

I'm horrible at judging the distance of an object 20 feet in front of me. There's no way I can tell the difference between 70 and 80 yards just by looking at a flag, or even worse judge whether the group in front is 270 or 320 yards out.

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1 hour ago, itsame said:

 

As someone with terrible eyesight (almost blind in one eye and the other isn't great either), I'm glad lasers and GPS aren't banned.

I'm horrible at judging the distance of an object 20 feet in front of me. There's no way I can tell the difference between 70 and 80 yards just by looking at a flag, or even worse judge whether the group in front is 270 or 320 yards out.

 

 

Of course you should use them. I never said to ban them.

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I don't like the poles used as markers, I much prefer the courses that use a marker that is flush with the fairway. The plaque style is not as effective in doing the job as the polls (that can be much easily seen), but I personally think they look nicer. But really I don't really care all the much if a poll is used or not. 

 

Regardless I do like having the added information. I will often look at distance on sprinkler head or marker and laser the flag to get better idea of who deep the flag is on the green. 

 

It is also sure nice to have old school marking when your battery dies. 

 

 

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DMM I personally find your argument ridiculous. It’s called skill, learn it and not use an electronic device do your mental work. It’s part of the game.


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 I assume at some point you’ll become a supporter of automatic swing machines placed on carts and the “arm” will swing your club so all you have to do is drive the cart to the ball. Or better yet set the gps controls to recognize your ball and then you just sit in the cart, drink beer, and ride around for five hours while the cart plays all the strokes. But then again we could turn all courses to pavement, set the cart machines to swing exact distances to a perfectly contoured green so the ball goes in the hole on every stroke, then send you your score while you sit home watching it all on the big screen having nachos and margaritas and listening to the latest dance craze music on the mini boom box.

 

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You would definitely have had my vote for their removal on the days where my drive hit one in the middle of the fairway and it kicked my ball out of bounds (had it happen once and lost my flight in the tournament by 1) or into a hazard (the only time my buddy actually looked like he felt bad for me after a bad bounce). On either of those days I would have happily led the effort for their removal with my own two hands. That being said, both of those happened years ago and I'm slightly less bitter about it now than I was then and a rational thinking me knows they have helped my more than hurt me. Especially when giving me aimpoints at courses I'm unfamiliar with. Visually they only bother me when its a few yards ahead and directly in my line, at which point they can usually easily be removed and replaced.

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20 hours ago, larrybud said:

 

Since the history of mankind, or at least, as long as I have been playing, it's 150 from the marker to the center of the green.

However, if you have two 150 yard markers on each side of a 30 yard wide fairway, and you're right between them, some quick trig shows that you're at 149.2 yards, so within the tolerance of most laser range finders.

 

They absolutely still have their purpose, especially if they are ABOVE ground, since you can then laser off to specific points from the tee box.

 

Funny you mention that. Some courses around me have markers that measure to the edge, and some to the centre. As green shapes are not uniform, I find it easier to work out distances when the marker is measured to the centre.

 

Also, to add to the fun, the distances on the tee box are usually to the centre, even if the distance markers on the fairway are to the edge. 

 

It can get confusing.

 

And to the OP, the yardage maker doesn't have to be a pole. I've seen little dome-shaped plates used on some courses, placed in the middle of the fairway and colour-coded for distance (again, colour varies depending on the course). 

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I like anything that shows me a course is trying

 

As with most things, yardage markers can only help you (unless you find them so ugly you can't enjoy the game, LOL). 

 

I used to play a course that would use flag color to indicate pin position on the green. Red signaled a front pin, white being middle and blue being back. As a walker, that information was massively helpful. Even if I lasered 147-yds...I wouldn't have known in a lot of cases whether that 147 was to a front or back pin. 

 

So to me, I agree with the comment about "character." The more helpful I see a course being, the more I appreciate the effort(s) they're making for their customers / members. 

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57 minutes ago, Motoboss said:

DMM I personally find your argument ridiculous. It’s called skill, learn it and not use an electronic device do your mental work. It’s part of the game.


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 I assume at some point you’ll become a supporter of automatic swing machines placed on carts and the “arm” will swing your club so all you have to do is drive the cart to the ball. Or better yet set the gps controls to recognize your ball and then you just sit in the cart, drink beer, and ride around for five hours while the cart plays all the strokes. But then again we could turn all courses to pavement, set the cart machines to swing exact distances to a perfectly contoured green so the ball goes in the hole on every stroke, then send you your score while you sit home watching it all on the big screen having nachos and margaritas and listening to the latest dance craze music on the mini boom box.

 

Now theres a thought!

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19 hours ago, Qqq123xx said:

I'm an old guy, and I like doing old guy stuff.

Thanks for this . I too, am an old guy, and I like doing old guy stuff.

 

There are days when I forget my gps watch or on a course where an adjacent power source screws up the watch distance. Those small plates in the ground are always there and counting off a few steps doesn't tax my brain.

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17 hours ago, LeoLeo99 said:

I like the yardage markers on the course.  One thing I miss is the old days when you were lucky to have a 150 marker and learning how to pace off yardages and estimate yardages visually.  That was a real skill.  I've always said that USGA should either go all in electronics or ban them completely.  I use my GPS watch every round and occasionally break out my laser rangefinder so I'm using what is allowed.  Don't understand why you can use a laser for distance but not slope.  USGA thinks judging slope is a skill but not distance. 


And to further that point, how are the Strackaline and other suck books with adjusted yardage due to slope allowed, yet you can't obtain that information via your electronic distance measuring device?

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6 hours ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

Funny you mention that. Some courses around me have markers that measure to the edge, and some to the centre. As green shapes are not uniform, I find it easier to work out distances when the marker is measured to the centre.

 

Also, to add to the fun, the distances on the tee box are usually to the centre, even if the distance markers on the fairway are to the edge. 

 

It can get confusing.

 

And to the OP, the yardage maker doesn't have to be a pole. I've seen little dome-shaped plates used on some courses, placed in the middle of the fairway and colour-coded for distance (again, colour varies depending on the course). 


Can't say I've ever seen yardage markers to the edge, except in the case of some sprinkler heads which measure front/center/back. Never seen one exclusively to the "front" or "edge".

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6 hours ago, larrybud said:


Can't say I've ever seen yardage markers to the edge, except in the case of some sprinkler heads which measure front/center/back. Never seen one exclusively to the "front" or "edge".

 

May be a Japanese thing. As far as I can remember, when I was playing back in the UK years ago, yardage markers measured the distance to the centre of the green. But I'd say most courses around me (Kyushu, Japan) use markers that show distances to the edge of the green.

 

There was a course I played fairly recently (I think either Aso Iizuka or Shimonoseki Golden) which had two different types of distance markers. IIRC, the marker discs in the middle of the fairway measured to the front edge, and the posts in the rough by the sides of the fairway measured to the centre. Might have got that the wrong way round.

Anyway, it was more confusing than helpful.

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20 hours ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

May be a Japanese thing. As far as I can remember,,,,,,

 

I think,,,,,,either Aso Iizuka or Shimonoseki Golden Might have got that the wrong way round,,,,,,,,, more confusing than helpful.

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On 5/19/2022 at 8:58 AM, MelloYello said:

I like anything that shows me a course is trying

 

As with most things, yardage markers can only help you (unless you find them so ugly you can't enjoy the game, LOL). 

 

I used to play a course that would use flag color to indicate pin position on the green. Red signaled a front pin, white being middle and blue being back. As a walker, that information was massively helpful. Even if I lasered 147-yds...I wouldn't have known in a lot of cases whether that 147 was to a front or back pin. 

 

So to me, I agree with the comment about "character." The more helpful I see a course being, the more I appreciate the effort(s) they're making for their customers / members. 

 

Seems like you didn't read ol' mumbles post 2 above yours. :classic_laugh:

 

And I know yer a young'un (36 iirc) but I can't remember the last time I played a course that didn't have 3 different colored flags for front, middle and back.

 

Is it the "club crowd" you're in that has all white flags ? Surely they give you a "pin sheet", no ? :classic_blink:

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33 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

And I know yer a young'un (36 iirc) but I can't remember the last time I played a course that didn't have 3 different colored flags for front, middle and back.

 

Is it the "club crowd" you're in that has all white flags ? Surely they give you a "pin sheet", no ? :classic_blink:


I have some public tracks near me that have single colored flags, then a "1-2-3" position pin sheet.  Actually kinda messes you up if you're not paying attention since 3 different flags are more common IME.

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3 hours ago, larrybud said:


I have some public tracks near me that have single colored flags, then a "1-2-3" position pin sheet.  Actually kinda messes you up if you're not paying attention since 3 different flags are more common IME.

 

You know, you're absolutely right. I'd forgotten about those.

 

I do remember a few courses like that. They'd pick a pin position for the day and slide a card into a plastic holder on the cart reminding you what each hole's pin position was.

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I haven't read every post in this string but for ease of maintenance and aesthetics it's hard to beat the old-fashioned red, white, and blue paint stripes on the cart path.  A gallon or two of each color re-applied once a year and you're good to go. Then maybe a single pole at the 150 mark.  For the golfers that have the skill and want accurate numbers they will always bring some device.  For the high handicappers - they'll probably still miss most greens whether they have data or not.  

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Simple 150 yard pole markers are sufficient.  If they bother your aesthetically, you are over sensitive.

 

The average golfers distance control is such that 5 or 10 yards does not matter.  They cannot hit the same distance from one swing to another.  Measuring distance to the yard may feel good, but is fooling yourself.  Estimate distance by looking at the 150 marker and aim for the center of the green.  When you start hitting most greens in regulation, then think of finer measurement.

 

I’m tired of playing behind golfers who dig out their $500 rangefinders, discuss whether it’s 192 or 193 yards, then scuff the ball 50 yards and repeat the process from there.

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