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I was listening to the most recent Fully Equipped podcast and Scott Fawcett was on talking about how he's trying to get PGA players to get rid of their 3 woods and put in a second driver that's setup for opposite shape of your main driver/swing.  

 

It's certainly an intriguing idea.  Rather than change your swing shot to shot, just change your equipment.  Has anyone given this a go with success?  

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Here’s a good thread on it.  I’m particularly partial to, um, my own comments on the subject.  
 

Not sure what that says about me exactly, lol!

 

https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1713416-is-it-a-dumb-idea-to-carry-two-drivers/page/3/

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22 minutes ago, Dan Drake said:

Here’s a good thread on it.  I’m particularly partial to, um, my own comments on the subject.  
 

Not sure what that says about me exactly, lol!

 

https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1713416-is-it-a-dumb-idea-to-carry-two-drivers/page/3/

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

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My bag has been set up like this for over a year now.

 

"driver" is a 10.5* head, where default shot shape is a cut.

 

"2W" is a 12* head that I can turn over for high draws.

 

I get to take advantage of doglegs in either direction, plus play into or with the wind.  And hit driver more often, which is always fun.

 

I don't miss the 3W, which I rarely hit off the deck anyway.  Hybrid is good inside 240; anything outside of that I'm laying up to a wedge distance

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I've occasionally wondered why this idea hasn't gained more traction, especially with the increasing versatility/utility of a 4w replacing the 3w/5w combo. I think at the end of the day it is too player specific to end up being widely adopted with several other factors working against it. A second driver will always mean sacrificing another club, often a wedge, which takes away scoring opportunities at the other end that might not be a favorable trade off. Shot shape has also be reigned in with lower spinning balls/clubs which means the bigger, swooping draw off the tee with a driver is less and less practical, and is easier to hit with a fairway wood anyway. Therefore in the world of tighter cuts/draws, bagging another club just to bend the ball slightly the other way doesn't add a whole lot IMO, and the tight cut could just as easily be used in the same situation if it is reliable. One more reliable shot with one shape is more consistent in the long run, especially if your swing is naturally suited to it. The amount of work you'd have to put in to make a second club as consistent is work that could be put towards simply learning to shape the first club both ways, or honing in your one shot shape even more. 

If we look at who it would stand to benefit then we also run into more of this diminishing return problem. Someone that very naturally shapes the ball one way, like a Zach Johnson for example, can't just magically start hitting a fade on target with a different driver. He is still flatter and in to out enough to require some setup and swing tweaks to make the fade work, and at that point you're cutting into any supposed automatic advantage that the second driver would give. Plus you're likely taking a wedge out of his bag which he would not be a fan of, hah. On the other side of the coin if you have a player that is very neutral into the ball then you could more easily effect change with a driver tweak, but as @Red4282 said above, they are also only a tiny adjustment away from creating that same shot shape with one club anyway given that neutral delivery, so the person that could most easily utilize two drivers is also the one that needs them the least. 

If we seek to overcome these limitations by forcing shot shapes with more radical club adjustment e.g. more extreme opening/closing of the face or shifting of CG bias, then we run into personal preference issues. Many pros like to see certain things when they look down on a club, and having one club that sits visibly open and another equally closed would be a deal breaker for most. Comfortable/consistent face angles then with more radical shifts in CG bias to create shot shape means we're relying on slight mishits for that shape, which is a game of millimeters that brings us back into that same "small adjustment" territory as the neutral delivery example above, and that player could just as easily seek to slightly toe or heel the ball with their one driver to produce the same bias. 

Obviously i've thought about this a lot, lol. IMO the value proposition just isn't quite there and every angle always seems to have an alternative with less downside. 

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I think they play to yardages more than he is giving them credit for.  Not every hole is a driver off the tee hole unless you are a shorter hitter.  Maybe they should also drop their 5wd/hybrid slot for yet another driver and try to have one that goes left, right and straight...

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2 hours ago, ernotte said:

I was listening to the most recent Fully Equipped podcast and Scott Fawcett was on talking about how he's trying to get PGA players to get rid of their 3 woods and put in a second driver that's setup for opposite shape of your main driver/swing.  

 

It's certainly an intriguing idea.  Rather than change your swing shot to shot, just change your equipment.  Has anyone given this a go with success?  

TXG has a video on it

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Yes for me.  It seems most would have one as a long driver plus a fairway finder (2 wood).  Mine are actually both about the same loft (9-9.5°) and same length (45"), just fade and draw tendencies.  Simply a comfort thing and a fun thing for me.

 

My fader is really difficult for me to draw (only club like that in the bag).  Aim up the left, left center, picture the baby fade, and just go at it.  My drawer is workable either way, but more consistent and comfortable when I'm trying to draw.  Picture/feel the draw, and go at it.  It took over my 3W which I really used as a drawable driver anyway.  Weird I know, but it's fun taking on different hole shapes with 2 drivers.

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20 hours ago, Red4282 said:

I think its far more valuable to learn to work the ball yourself, and btw you dont have to change your swing to do it. If you are relatively neutral with path you just have to adjust alignment and face angle/grip, and swing the same way

I don't disagree with you there but as guy with two small kids and very little practice time, that likely isn't going to happen. The alignment and face angle changes haven't worked for me in the past for whatever reason. 

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32 minutes ago, 596 said:

He's 70 years old and still hits the ball over 260 consistently.


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4 hours ago, ernotte said:

I don't disagree with you there but as guy with two small kids and very little practice time, that likely isn't going to happen. The alignment and face angle changes haven't worked for me in the past for whatever reason. 

Well to be fair, you should really master one shot shape and only bring out the other shot shape on extreme circumstances. Hitting 50%fades 50% draws is going to be hard for anyone to have any kind of consistency. If your natural shape is a draw, play the draw like 90_95% of the time unless faced with a must fade shot, like a tree blocking the target landing spot. I have kids myself and limited practice time so usually my bread and butter shot 90-95% is what im naturally brought to the course that day. But when i need to go the other way its easy. No swing change is needed. Just aim and manipulate face accordingly and swing as i was before hand.

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12 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Well to be fair, you should really master one shot shape and only bring out the other shot shape on extreme circumstances. Hitting 50%fades 50% draws is going to be hard for anyone to have any kind of consistency. If your natural shape is a draw, play the draw like 90_95% of the time unless faced with a must fade shot, like a tree blocking the target landing spot. I have kids myself and limited practice time so usually my bread and butter shot 90-95% is what im naturally brought to the course that day. But when i need to go the other way its easy. No swing change is needed. Just aim and manipulate face accordingly and swing as i was before hand.

I agree with what you're saying. I play a fade most of the time, but have one 3 day tournament I play every year where 8 of the 14 drives call for a draw as you tee off next to the ob and ob is lined with trees so you you have to play away from it and bring it back. Another option could just be to change my Stealth (regular) to an upright setting for the event. 

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