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I have been gaming Tour Issue X100's since June of 2021. Since that time I have gradually increased my swing speed by almost 13 mph (105 - 117.5 with a driver). Since I've started to play more rounds and hit balls while swinging at this swing speed, I have noticed that my irons are starting to balloon a bit and they are spinning too much (the initial trajectory of my irons hasn't changed very much, the ball just kind of drops straight down once it apexes instead of descending at a landing angle closer to 45° and getting the extra yardage associated with that landing angle). So, I am wondering what shafts I should look into:

 

The 4 main options that I am considering are the Project X 6.5, Project X 6.0 LS, Dynamic Gold X7, or soft stepped Project X 6.5 LS. Back when I was swinging my driver at 105 mph, I was originally fitted into Project X 6.5 mainly due to my quick transition but those began to feel like rebar once I began to get better and sort my swing out (so tbh I am a bit hesitant to do that). So that leaves me to decide between the X7 and the 6.0 LS. I have heard that the 6.0 is around the same stiffness as an X100 so maybe that plus the added decrease spin the LS version has may be what I am looking for but I would love any input you guys have as well as any options that I didn't mention here

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Driver: Titleist TSR3 10° (@ 9.25°, B3 SureFit Setting) w/ Project X Small Batch HZRDUS Smoke Green PVD 60 6.5TX (45")

3 Wood: Titleist TS2 15° (D4 SureFit Setting) w/ Project X Small Batch HZRDUS Smoke Green PVD 70 6.5TX (43, tipped 0.5")

3 Iron: TaylorMade P790 18° w/ Graphite Design Tour AD HY 95-X (40")

Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4), TaylorMade P7MC (5 - PW) w/ Fujikura AXIOM 105 X

Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM9 (50°-12F, 54°-14F, 58°-08M) w/ KBS $-Taper Black PVD 120 S (tipped 3/8")

Putter: Odyssey Ai-ONE Jailbird Cruiser (41")

 

Grips: Golf Pride Tour Velvet BCT Cord Midsize (1 + 1), Odyssey Ai-ONE Cruiser 17"

Ball: Titleist Pro V1

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Do you have actual numbers that show you are spinning it to much and how is you ball reaction when you hit greens? What you may think it ballooning is the ball just flying higher because it can stay in the air longer with your extra club head speed. Low spin is nice but if you can't hold a green it's kind of useless. 

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6 minutes ago, Jc0 said:

Do you have actual numbers that show you are spinning it to much and how is you ball reaction when you hit greens? What you may think it ballooning is the ball just flying higher because it can stay in the air longer with your extra club head speed. Low spin is nice but if you can't hold a green it's kind of useless. 

I don't have a screenshot but last time I got on TrackMan I was spinning my 9 iron at over 10,000 RPMS while still carrying it 148 and having a negative attack angle

 

*edit: this also wasn't off of a mat, it was outside on a grass range

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Driver: Titleist TSR3 10° (@ 9.25°, B3 SureFit Setting) w/ Project X Small Batch HZRDUS Smoke Green PVD 60 6.5TX (45")

3 Wood: Titleist TS2 15° (D4 SureFit Setting) w/ Project X Small Batch HZRDUS Smoke Green PVD 70 6.5TX (43, tipped 0.5")

3 Iron: TaylorMade P790 18° w/ Graphite Design Tour AD HY 95-X (40")

Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4), TaylorMade P7MC (5 - PW) w/ Fujikura AXIOM 105 X

Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM9 (50°-12F, 54°-14F, 58°-08M) w/ KBS $-Taper Black PVD 120 S (tipped 3/8")

Putter: Odyssey Ai-ONE Jailbird Cruiser (41")

 

Grips: Golf Pride Tour Velvet BCT Cord Midsize (1 + 1), Odyssey Ai-ONE Cruiser 17"

Ball: Titleist Pro V1

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11 minutes ago, CKaneb said:

I don't have a screenshot but last time I got on TrackMan I was spinning my 9 iron at over 10,000 RPMS while still carrying it 148 and having a negative attack angle

 

*edit: this also wasn't off of a mat, it was outside on a grass range

What about dynamic loft? Shafts aren't magic. Going from X100s to any of the other shafts you mentioned isn't going to get rid of 1000-2000 rpms of spin. DJ swings signifcantly faster with quite traditional lofts, and he plays softstepped x100s. Have a look at TXG's iron shaft comparison tests, there isn't much difference between iron shafts, especially in the same type of heavy low/low category.

 

Most likely a swing issue. If that's not the case, then bending lofts stronger and changing the ball will have way more impact than changing shafts.

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1 hour ago, CKaneb said:

I don't have a screenshot but last time I got on TrackMan I was spinning my 9 iron at over 10,000 RPMS while still carrying it 148 and having a negative attack angle

 

*edit: this also wasn't off of a mat, it was outside on a grass range

 

Ball is important here. Range balls are slow and spin more so knowing if this was a range vs regular ball would be good. You may get 500-700 down from new shafts but that's about it. 

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Agree with the general sentiment above. If you're finding you're spinning it too much with X100s it's either the ball or the delivery. Besides, being able to generate a lot of spin is a good problem to have with the irons. Better to have it and learn to control it than be using a setup where you might not be able to spin it enough IMO

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21 minutes ago, Jc0 said:

 

Ball is important here. Range balls are slow and spin more so knowing if this was a range vs regular ball would be good. You may get 500-700 down from new shafts but that's about it. 

the ball I was hitting was a TP5X

Driver: Titleist TSR3 10° (@ 9.25°, B3 SureFit Setting) w/ Project X Small Batch HZRDUS Smoke Green PVD 60 6.5TX (45")

3 Wood: Titleist TS2 15° (D4 SureFit Setting) w/ Project X Small Batch HZRDUS Smoke Green PVD 70 6.5TX (43, tipped 0.5")

3 Iron: TaylorMade P790 18° w/ Graphite Design Tour AD HY 95-X (40")

Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4), TaylorMade P7MC (5 - PW) w/ Fujikura AXIOM 105 X

Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM9 (50°-12F, 54°-14F, 58°-08M) w/ KBS $-Taper Black PVD 120 S (tipped 3/8")

Putter: Odyssey Ai-ONE Jailbird Cruiser (41")

 

Grips: Golf Pride Tour Velvet BCT Cord Midsize (1 + 1), Odyssey Ai-ONE Cruiser 17"

Ball: Titleist Pro V1

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41 minutes ago, Jc0 said:

 

Is that your normal gamer? It has some funky numbers from the high swing speed test 8 iron test on the other golf website. It may not be helping you here (like 5 yards shorter than simlar balls with and 8 iron).

I normally game a Pro V1 an I have a little better results, but that's only just w/ the eye test on the course I've never hit a Pro V1 on TrackMan/GCQuad

Driver: Titleist TSR3 10° (@ 9.25°, B3 SureFit Setting) w/ Project X Small Batch HZRDUS Smoke Green PVD 60 6.5TX (45")

3 Wood: Titleist TS2 15° (D4 SureFit Setting) w/ Project X Small Batch HZRDUS Smoke Green PVD 70 6.5TX (43, tipped 0.5")

3 Iron: TaylorMade P790 18° w/ Graphite Design Tour AD HY 95-X (40")

Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4), TaylorMade P7MC (5 - PW) w/ Fujikura AXIOM 105 X

Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM9 (50°-12F, 54°-14F, 58°-08M) w/ KBS $-Taper Black PVD 120 S (tipped 3/8")

Putter: Odyssey Ai-ONE Jailbird Cruiser (41")

 

Grips: Golf Pride Tour Velvet BCT Cord Midsize (1 + 1), Odyssey Ai-ONE Cruiser 17"

Ball: Titleist Pro V1

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currently gaming PX LS 7.0 for this reason.  may build a set with the X7's.  I would go to the X7's if I were you, since you play the X100's.  they do feel different from what I understand but less so than the PX's.  I never thought I would hit the 7.0's but here we are.  

 

I'm about 112 SS with driver but for some reason spin the ball like a top with very high peak 

PXG 0311 7.5* (set to 6.75*) w/ Mitsubishi Diamana DF 70TX Tipped 0.75" @ 45.25"

TM Original One Mini Driver 13* (set at 11.5*) w/ Mitsubishi Diamana BF 80TX Tipped 1.5" @ 43"
Srixon U45 18* w/ N.S. Pro Modus3 GOST Tour X @ 39.5"
Callaway UW 21* w/ Aldila VS Proto 95X Tipped 1.75" @ 41" / Srixon U45 23* w/ Aldila RIP Tour SLT 115 Tour X @ 38.5"

Cobra KING Tour with MIM w/ PX LS 7.0 5-PW / Srixon Z745 5-PW w/ DG TI X7's (PW Tipped 1/4")
Mizuno T22 Denim Copper 50*, 55* & 60* w/ PX LS 7.0 Tipped 3/8" D2, D3 & D5

Putter: Evnroll ER2v

 

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