Jack Nicklaus Sued by the Nicklaus Companies. 6/6/22 Update: Norman Calls out "Hypocrite" Nicklaus

[Hawkeye77]

1 minute ago, me05501 said:

 

Jack was a part of the new company. He agreed to work for them. He continues to collect millions from them. And he has been trying to go around this agreement in various ways.
 

That’s the core of the suit. Jack didn’t sell his entire business and walk away. He sold his name, image and likeness and the rights to market projects under his name. If those projects were engaged he still performed his part of them (designing courses or at least appearing at their launch parties, for example).  
 

 

He is alleged to have done that. We haven't seen all the documents outlining either side's obligations but he did continue to provide services and likely got paid for doing those in addition to the "stake" that he sold them. 

[Chunkitgood]

If you read paragraph 39 then 43 through 46, you will see an example of what’s wrong with the case.

 

The LLC’s indemnity of Nicklaus only if he acted in good faith and in the best interest of the LLC does not impose on him the duty to act in the best interests of the company.

 

No desire to read further.

Edited May 24, 2022 by Chunkitgood
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[nsxguy]

58 minutes ago, me05501 said:

And if you had read just a tiny bit further, into pages 4-5, YOU would know what I’M talking about. 
 

Jack was a part of the new company. He agreed to work for them. He continues to collect millions from them. And he has been trying to go around this agreement in various ways.
 

That’s the core of the suit. Jack didn’t sell his entire business and walk away. He sold his name, image and likeness and the rights to market projects under his name. If those projects were engaged he still performed his part of them (designing courses or at least appearing at their launch parties, for example).  
 

It takes some real chutzpah to refuse to read the material and then talk down to those of us who have. 

 

Are you privvy to the agreements between Jack Nicklaus and the Nicklaus company ?

 

Or are you just assuming everything in the complaint is 100% truthful.

 

I find it hilarious that we have a complaint; only ONE side of the story and we (OK, many of us) already have decided who's "guilty".

 

Me personally ? I'll hold off judgement til (at least) I hear the other side of the story.

 

I know, pretty radical, eh ?

[me05501]

1 minute ago, nsxguy said:

 

Are you privvy to the agreements between Jack Nicklaus and the Nicklaus company ?

 

Or are you just assuming everything in the complaint is 100% truthful.

 

I find it hilarious that we have a complaint; only ONE side of the story and we (OK, many of us) already have decided who's "guilty".

 

Me personally ? I'll hold off judgement til (at least) I hear the other side of the story.

 

I know, pretty radical, eh ?

Obviously there will be a response, but also note that whoever filed this could be subject to censure if it was full of unsubstantiated crap. 

[bscinstnct]

2 hours ago, nsxguy said:

 

Are you privvy to the agreements between Jack Nicklaus and the Nicklaus company ?

 

Or are you just assuming everything in the complaint is 100% truthful.

 

I find it hilarious that we have a complaint; only ONE side of the story and we (OK, many of us) already have decided who's "guilty".

 

Me personally ? I'll hold off judgement til (at least) I hear the other side of the story.

 

I know, pretty radical, eh ?

 

Does that emoji guy burp after he drink? 🤣

 

So, this could get a little uncomfortable for JN if they start airing out the details of any interactions he had with the Saudis. 
 

The Company essentially saved Mr. Nicklaus from himself by extricating him from a controversial project that could have not only tarnished his legacy and reputation, but severely damaged the Nicklaus Companies’ name, brands and business,” the lawsuit said, via Sports Illustrated. "Thanks to the intervention of Nicklaus Companies, the Company was able to minimize fallout from the situation and protect the goodwill and good name of both the Company and Mr. Nicklaus.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/jack-nicklaus-sued-by-nicklaus-companies-for-breach-of-contract-amid-reported-saudi-offer-194327779.html

 

 

Jack had said that he turned the Saudis down but the suit seems to allude to a different version of how this may have come about. 
 

“I was offered something in excess of $100 million by the Saudis, to do the job probably similar to the one that Greg [Norman] is doing,” Nicklaus said in the story published by Michael Bamberger.

 

“I turned it down. Once verbally, once in writing. I said, ‘Guys, I have to stay with the PGA Tour. I helped start the PGA Tour.’”

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/jack-nicklaus-offered-100-million-to-run-saudi-arabia-liv-golf-series-greg-norman-phil-mickelson-200036657.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tiderider]

for the record: 

[jgonz69]

2 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Does that emoji guy burp after he drink? 🤣

 

So, this could get a little uncomfortable for JN if they start airing out the details of any interactions he had with the Saudis. 
 

The Company essentially saved Mr. Nicklaus from himself by extricating him from a controversial project that could have not only tarnished his legacy and reputation, but severely damaged the Nicklaus Companies’ name, brands and business,” the lawsuit said, via Sports Illustrated. "Thanks to the intervention of Nicklaus Companies, the Company was able to minimize fallout from the situation and protect the goodwill and good name of both the Company and Mr. Nicklaus.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/jack-nicklaus-sued-by-nicklaus-companies-for-breach-of-contract-amid-reported-saudi-offer-194327779.html

 

 

Jack had said that he turned the Saudis down but the suit seems to allude to a different version of how this may have come about. 
 

“I was offered something in excess of $100 million by the Saudis, to do the job probably similar to the one that Greg [Norman] is doing,” Nicklaus said in the story published by Michael Bamberger.

 

“I turned it down. Once verbally, once in writing. I said, ‘Guys, I have to stay with the PGA Tour. I helped start the PGA Tour.’”

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/jack-nicklaus-offered-100-million-to-run-saudi-arabia-liv-golf-series-greg-norman-phil-mickelson-200036657.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Turns out JN is as big of a BS’er as PM

[Crn50]

3 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Jack had said that he turned the Saudis down but the suit seems to allude to a different version of how this may have come about. 
 

“I was offered something in excess of $100 million by the Saudis, to do the job probably similar to the one that Greg [Norman] is doing,” Nicklaus said in the story published by Michael Bamberger.

 

Hmmmm the Plot thickens, this is all about Damage Limitation. Money Money Money...

[Kenbone]

Their abilities and accomplishments on the golf course say nothing about who they are as human beings. Marvel at their skills and talents? Absolutely but I look elsewhere for my heroes.

[Chunkitgood]

6 hours ago, me05501 said:

Obviously there will be a response, but also note that whoever filed this could be subject to censure if it was full of unsubstantiated crap. 

Naive, then.

 

4 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Does that emoji guy burp after he drink? 🤣

 

So, this could get a little uncomfortable for JN if they start airing out the details of any interactions he had with the Saudis. 
 

The Company essentially saved Mr. Nicklaus from himself by extricating him from a controversial project that could have not only tarnished his legacy and reputation, but severely damaged the Nicklaus Companies’ name, brands and business,” the lawsuit said, via Sports Illustrated. "Thanks to the intervention of Nicklaus Companies, the Company was able to minimize fallout from the situation and protect the goodwill and good name of both the Company and Mr. Nicklaus.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/jack-nicklaus-sued-by-nicklaus-companies-for-breach-of-contract-amid-reported-saudi-offer-194327779.html

 

 

Jack had said that he turned the Saudis down but the suit seems to allude to a different version of how this may have come about. 
 

“I was offered something in excess of $100 million by the Saudis, to do the job probably similar to the one that Greg [Norman] is doing,” Nicklaus said in the story published by Michael Bamberger.

 

“I turned it down. Once verbally, once in writing. I said, ‘Guys, I have to stay with the PGA Tour. I helped start the PGA Tour.’”

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/jack-nicklaus-offered-100-million-to-run-saudi-arabia-liv-golf-series-greg-norman-phil-mickelson-200036657.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So Nicklaus gets sued for turning down a lucrative offer?

 

[Chunkitgood]

Seems to be pretty tough to be a golfer in a celebrity culture gone out of control.

 

I don’t see much in this but I guess Nicklaus did more than anybody else to make golf what it is, for better or worse, and now has to live with it.

[golfortennis]

5 hours ago, Crn50 said:

You sir have Ethics, wish there was alot more out there.

 

I was speaking to my mechanic recently, and the conversation got around to unethical behavior.  Someone else popped a name that advertises a ton in our area.  Apparently my mechanic was out to eat with this guy, and three different people came up to this guy and chewed him out for screwing them on their repair.  The guy just sat there, and was actually proud.  He's been sanctioned several times by the version of DoT here, and yet he keeps going.  Somehow his reputation has not gotten to every corner, so he keeps getting new clients.  Which is good for him because he has very few repeat clients.

 

We tend to only drive our one vehicle for long trips, so when I brought it into for an oil change once, our mechanic almost refused to do it because it was well before anything was due.  He's earned business and referrals with things like that. 

[Ferguson]

7 minutes ago, golfortennis said:

 

I was speaking to my mechanic recently, and the conversation got around to unethical behavior.  Someone else popped a name that advertises a ton in our area.  Apparently my mechanic was out to eat with this guy, and three different people came up to this guy and chewed him out for screwing them on their repair.  The guy just sat there, and was actually proud.  He's been sanctioned several times by the version of DoT here, and yet he keeps going.  Somehow his reputation has not gotten to every corner, so he keeps getting new clients.  Which is good for him because he has very few repeat clients.

 

We tend to only drive our one vehicle for long trips, so when I brought it into for an oil change once, our mechanic almost refused to do it because it was well before anything was due.  He's earned business and referrals with things like that. 

 

 

A good mechanical shop is one of the most prized things in life.  It's right up there with "non-violent" family holidays. 

 

 

[MtlJeff]

I keep reading about this Saudis thing, like Jack turned them down but they are alleging he like, totally wanted to go but they stopped him...

 

Is there any proof of any of this? Isn't this hard to prove? Are they gonna show emails of Jack telling them "But i wannnnnna" and they are like "No Jack, that would be really, really bad for business!"

 

It just seems like something you throw in there to mudsling a bit. Do you ever really sue someone for something they thought of doing but didn't? Would be like someone saying at a divorce trial "Judge, my husband thought of cheating on me but i talked him out of it!"

[bscinstnct]

2 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

I keep reading about this Saudis thing, like Jack turned them down but they are alleging he like, totally wanted to go but they stopped him...

 

Is there any proof of any of this? Isn't this hard to prove? Are they gonna show emails of Jack telling them "But i wannnnnna" and they are like "No Jack, that would be really, really bad for business!"

 

It just seems like something you throw in there to mudsling a bit. Do you ever really sue someone for something they thought of doing but didn't? Would be like someone saying at a divorce trial "Judge, my husband thought of cheating on me but i talked him out of it!"

 

That’s what I was alluding to.

 

*If there’s documentation of these interactions and this company “saving” Jack, that would look bad for JN.

 

This is a pretty spectacular allegation,

 

“The Company essentially saved Mr. Nicklaus from himself by extricating him from a controversial project that could have not only tarnished his legacy and reputation“

 

And I would think they have some substantial proof to back the claim. 

[bazinky]

Does anyone have the full text of the Nicklaus interview?

 

His comment is actually really well structured. Reading it now, all he is stating is that he turned them down. He does not state whether that decision was actually his choice or preference.

[MtlJeff]

8 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

That’s what I was alluding to.

 

*If there’s documentation of these interactions and this company “saving” Jack, that would look bad for JN.

 

This is a pretty spectacular allegation,

 

“The Company essentially saved Mr. Nicklaus from himself by extricating him from a controversial project that could have not only tarnished his legacy and reputation“

 

And I would think they have some substantial proof to back the claim. 

 

I would think there would need to be substantial proof also--Because essentially they are filing/suing over something that he didn't do.

 

I am no legal expert but i've been involved in a few legal matters (as part of condo boards, and etc), and i've seen a few cases of some parts of complaints just immediately thrown out. Like people just throw everything on the pile to mudsling a bit.

 

But at the end of the day, how do you sue someone for something they didn't do?

 

Like " Going to the LIV would've damaged the Brand!"

Jack: "That's why i didn't go"

 

OK then

 

Edited May 24, 2022 by MtlJeff

[Ferguson]

1 minute ago, bazinky said:

Does anyone have the full text of the Nicklaus interview?

 

His comment is actually really well structured. Reading it now, all he is stating is that he turned them down. He does not state whether that decision was actually his choice or preference.

 

Carmello will have it here by 6:30. 

 

 

 

 

 

[bscinstnct]

Just now, MtlJeff said:

 

I would think there would need to be substantial proof also--Because essentially they are filing/suing over something that he didn't do.

 

I am no legal expert but i've been involved in a few legal matters (as part of condo boards, and etc), and i've seen a few cases of some parts of complaints just immediately thrown out. Like people just throw everything on the pile to mudsling a bit.

 

But at the end of the day, how do you sue someone for something they didn't do?

 

Great point.

 

To me this seems to be this company having a position that they bought the rights to Jack doing deals and he’s been trying to get around it. 
 

So they want it to stop and have a court make some ruling on what he can and can’t do. 

[Naptime]

Jack's brand hasn't been a driver for my purchasing or playing since the 1980s.  I wonder how much meat is left on that bone.  How is Arnie's old business doing these days?

[Ferguson]

18 minutes ago, Naptime said:

Jack's brand hasn't been a driver for my purchasing or playing since the 1980s.  I wonder how much meat is left on that bone.  How is Arnie's old business doing these days?

 

Palmer's business does a nice job with resorts and communities.  

 

 

[Soloman1]

It’s difficult to believe that Mr. Nicklaus did not seek or have legal advice about what he could and could not do under the terms of the agreement for all opportunities or offers.

 

And possibly from the same people who represented him in crafting the agreement.

 

I wouldn’t throw him under the bus just yet.

 

 

[Titleist99]

2 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

I keep reading about this Saudis thing, like Jack turned them down but they are alleging he like, totally wanted to go but they stopped him...

 

Is there any proof of any of this? Isn't this hard to prove? Are they gonna show emails of Jack telling them "But i wannnnnna" and they are like "No Jack, that would be really, really bad for business!"

 

It just seems like something you throw in there to mudsling a bit. Do you ever really sue someone for something they thought of doing but didn't? Would be like someone saying at a divorce trial "Judge, my husband thought of cheating on me but i talked him out of it!"

Or, and it's a big OR, the Company wanted to do it and Jack turned the Saudis down.....

The Saudis were offering close to what they paid for the company.. just a guess.

[munichop]

This is why image rights and name rights are so complicated.  Once you try to turn those things into a business model it gets muddied up quickly.  It must be frustrating to incorporate your persona like that especially if you sell the rights.

[ChipStrokes]

2 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

 

I would think there would need to be substantial proof also--Because essentially they are filing/suing over something that he didn't do.

 

I am no legal expert but i've been involved in a few legal matters (as part of condo boards, and etc), and i've seen a few cases of some parts of complaints just immediately thrown out. Like people just throw everything on the pile to mudsling a bit.

 

But at the end of the day, how do you sue someone for something they didn't do?

 

Like " Going to the LIV would've damaged the Brand!"

Jack: "That's why i didn't go"

 

OK then

 

i think the meat and potatoes of the complaint is that jack sold his name and image to nicklaus companies then repeatedly kept trying to trade on it.

 

maybe the saudi stuff is just in there for color, but if you're gonna get knee deep you might as well get waist deep.

[Ferguson]

9 minutes ago, ChipStrokes said:

i think the meat and potatoes of the complaint is that jack sold his name and image to nicklaus companies then repeatedly kept trying to trade on it.

 

maybe the saudi stuff is just in there for color, but if you're gonna get knee deep you might as well get waist deep.

 

Same thing happened to Colonel Sanders.

Poor guy sold his name and image and decided to stay on as a spokesman. He tried to continue promoting himself and was stopped 

 

 

 

 

[ChipStrokes]

2 minutes ago, Ferguson said:

 

Same thing happened to Colonel Sanders.

Poor guy sold his name and image and decided to stay on as a spokesman. He tried to continue promoting himself and was stopped 

 

 

 

 

tale as old as time.

[Ferguson]

I feel bad for Jack.

 

 

[me05501]

Safe to assume the plaintiff is holding some kind of proof of these accusations that Jack is asserting that he can provide golf course design services and endorsements outside of his agreement with Nicklaus Companies. 

 

 

[ChipStrokes]

1 minute ago, me05501 said:

Safe to assume the plaintiff is holding some kind of proof of these accusations that Jack is asserting that he can provide golf course design services and endorsements outside of his agreement with Nicklaus Companies. 

 

 

 

no, these things come out of nowhere every single day.