Tour Titleist TSR2, TSR3 & TSR4 driver & TSR2, TSR2+ & TSR3 3 wood - 2022 Travelers

[Rosco1216]

 

 

I play a tsr2 and wanted to experiment with the 4 in a shorter 44.25” set up.  I got a new head from a good buddy and took it straight to the course on saturday. After just a couple holes I felt something was off. I was seemingly 25-40 yards back from where I normally would expect based on strike and flight.  The next day I hit a couple on the monitor so see if it showed what I was experiencing on course.  Here is the tsr4 head I got from my buddy. This shot was absolutely flushed. Could not have made more solid contact. 

 

Popped in the demo head to my shaft, first swing, low heel strike, same club speed…

 

Then hit a a couple more, still not perfect strikes, one a swipey fade, and then one with my tsr2 in the last photo. 

 

According to titleist the serial # is registered as a demo head to cool clubs. My buddy got in January a mere 4 months after demo heads were released. Like I said the club had zero signs of even being hit. Cool clubs is trying to track down if they have it in inventory or if it’s been sold(but account holders can’t sell demo heads that soon upon release, right?)
 

Popcorn ready..plot thickens. The guy purchased from on eBay is contesting the guy he got it from based out of Washington state requesting proof of purchase, etc. 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

5 hours ago, Rosco1216 said:

 

 

I play a tsr2 and wanted to experiment with the 4 in a shorter 44.25” set up.  I got a new head from a good buddy and took it straight to the course on saturday. After just a couple holes I felt something was off. I was seemingly 25-40 yards back from where I normally would expect based on strike and flight.  The next day I hit a couple on the monitor so see if it showed what I was experiencing on course.  Here is the tsr4 head I got from my buddy. This shot was absolutely flushed. Could not have made more solid contact. 

 

Popped in the demo head to my shaft, first swing, low heel strike, same club speed…

 

Then hit a a couple more, still not perfect strikes, one a swipey fade, and then one with my tsr2 in the last photo. 

 

According to titleist the serial # is registered as a demo head to cool clubs. My buddy got in January a mere 4 months after demo heads were released. Like I said the club had zero signs of even being hit. Cool clubs is trying to track down if they have it in inventory or if it’s been sold(but account holders can’t sell demo heads that soon upon release, right?)
 

Popcorn ready..plot thickens. The guy purchased from on eBay is contesting the guy he got it from based out of Washington state requesting proof of purchase, etc. 

 

I don’t follow the issue….

[Rosco1216]

5 minutes ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

 

I don’t follow the issue….

Simply put..

1. It’s a fake that was copied from a demo to cool clubs. 
2. It’s a “dud” demo that was sold online as new within 1 or 2 months of cool clubs receiving it. 
 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

23 minutes ago, Rosco1216 said:

Simply put..

1. It’s a fake that was copied from a demo to cool clubs. 
2. It’s a “dud” demo that was sold online as new within 1 or 2 months of cool clubs receiving it. 
 

So one of those two?

Maybe because there is no discernible difference in the data you posted or maybe I am just an idiot…I only see the lower smash but nothing else I can depict 

[Rosco1216]

Just now, Brooks_Cupcake said:

So one of those two?

Maybe because there is no discernible difference in the data you posted or maybe I am just an idiot…I only see the lower smash but nothing else I can depict 

No discernible difference? After noticing right away on the course that the ball was not ending up near as far as i would expect and then get it on the monitor and absolutely squared it up and get 177ballspeed out of 124clubhead speed. I then pull the head and change to my clubs tsr4 demo head then and my tsr2 head and proceed to hit 4 more, decent strikes but not as solid as the first, and each one was 7-8 mph faster with essentially the same clubhead speed.

[Brooks_Cupcake]

8 minutes ago, Rosco1216 said:

No discernible difference? After noticing right away on the course that the ball was not ending up near as far as i would expect and then get it on the monitor and absolutely squared it up and get 177ballspeed out of 124clubhead speed. I then pull the head and change to my clubs tsr4 demo head then and my tsr2 head and proceed to hit 4 more, decent strikes but not as solid as the first, and each one was 7-8 mph faster with essentially the same clubhead speed.

All I see is smash factor of 1.42 and then you hitting 1.49.

Thats all my point is. 
I am not questioning it, but the way in which you laid out the story and the data don’t really tell “me” of the issue or reasoning. This may not be the case for others who are smarter than I am.

Edited March 28, 2023 by Brooks_Cupcake

[bannermannn88]

3 hours ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

All I see is smash factor of 1.42 and then you hitting 1.49.

Thats all my point is. 
I am not questioning it, but the way in which you laid out the story and the data don’t really tell “me” of the issue or reasoning. This may not be the case for others who are smarter than I am.

I had to read through the post 4-5 times to figure out the issue and never did. Way over my head as well.  

[iNeedMoreGolf]

15 hours ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

All I see is smash factor of 1.42 and then you hitting 1.49.

Thats all my point is. 
I am not questioning it, but the way in which you laid out the story and the data don’t really tell “me” of the issue or reasoning. This may not be the case for others who are smarter than I am.

I agree i didnt quite understand. I get not being as far on course. I didnt get the screen thing besides smash either. Not bad for a fake head tho apparently lol at least in screen. Screen golf and real outdoor golf just two different games. Alot of ppl hitting great indoor shots then outside is duck hook left into jerrys shins. Call 911... for jerry and the club.

[Rosco1216]

3 hours ago, iNeedMoreGolf said:

I agree i didnt quite understand. I get not being as far on course. I didnt get the screen thing besides smash either. Not bad for a fake head tho apparently lol at least in screen. Screen golf and real outdoor golf just two different games. Alot of ppl hitting great indoor shots then outside is duck hook left into jerrys shins. Call 911... for jerry and the club.

Tracked down the receipt from cool clubs. It’s a genuine head, just a dud.  The guy went through a fitting bought it same day build for $1,075 with a ventus and then sold the head 4 days later on eBay.
 

Titleist is going to replace.  

[sbjinx]

Just curious, what makes it a dud head. At certain swing speed the clubs is expected to produce certain numbers? It’s cool that titleist is replacing the head. 

[Rosco1216]

5 minutes ago, sbjinx said:

Just curious, what makes it a dud head. At certain swing speed the clubs is expected to produce certain numbers? It’s cool that titleist is replacing the head. 

What makes it a “dud” head is that not only was it 30y short in the course but on the monitor, same day, same shaft, consecutive swings, same club head speed, it was 7-8mph slower on perfects strikes than 3 other tsr heads with less than perfect strikes. 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

1 hour ago, sbjinx said:

Just curious, what makes it a dud head. At certain swing speed the clubs is expected to produce certain numbers? It’s cool that titleist is replacing the head. 

How would Titleist actually determine it’s a dud because of someone telling them it is?

100% they will look at it, but no way they authorized this without actually seeing the head and testing themselves. 

 

[Rosco1216]

22 minutes ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

How would Titleist actually determine it’s a dud because of someone telling them it is?

100% they will look at it, but no way they authorized this without actually seeing the head and testing themselves. 

 

Here, I’ll fill you in so we can put an end to your skepticism. 
 

Head pro is a titleist staffer. Head pro was in there with me seeing the same thing. He contacted the titleist rep, who he’s known since college.  I was able to get a copy of the receipt. The rep is sending it in on our behalf for replacement. I’ll take his word and what I heard from when talking to titleist that there won’t be any issue getting it replaced. 
 

Customer service and him both iterate that Titleist wants someone who buys their equipment to be satisfied.  Apparently an obviously undamaged, indiscernible from new head that produces 7/8mph(at minimum) of ball speed less than 3 other tsr heads is, what you referred to, a discernible difference. 

[iNeedMoreGolf]

1 hour ago, Rosco1216 said:

Here, I’ll fill you in so we can put an end to your skepticism. 
 

Head pro is a titleist staffer. Head pro was in there with me seeing the same thing. He contacted the titleist rep, who he’s known since college.  I was able to get a copy of the receipt. The rep is sending it in on our behalf for replacement. I’ll take his word and what I heard from when talking to titleist that there won’t be any issue getting it replaced. 
 

Customer service and him both iterate that Titleist wants someone who buys their equipment to be satisfied.  Apparently an obviously undamaged, indiscernible from new head that produces 7/8mph(at minimum) of ball speed less than 3 other tsr heads is, what you referred to, a discernible difference. 

Could just be a dud somehow. Ive seen and felt all kind of clubs feel off from one another thats supposed to be exactly the same. I allways hit two of the same product in store to make sure one is not off. You can pick up 5 of the same club and at least 1 is different feeling or weighted somehow.

[Rosco1216]

1 hour ago, iNeedMoreGolf said:

Could just be a dud somehow. Ive seen and felt all kind of clubs feel off from one another thats supposed to be exactly the same. I allways hit two of the same product in store to make sure one is not off. You can pick up 5 of the same club and at least 1 is different feeling or weighted somehow.

I’ve never noticed something off so quickly than with this. Hitting it on #1 and #2 I actually switched balls because I noticed it wasn’t ending up where I expected. After #3 and #5 where I hit it as good as physically possible and my ball ends up stopping on a downhill slope some 20 yards shorter than where I flew the demo head the day before (which was in cooler weather and a hurting wind). 
 

a couple hits on the monitor just confirmed. 

time to move on as I didn’t intended to do a complete thread jack.

 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Rosco1216

[iNeedMoreGolf]

3 hours ago, Rosco1216 said:

I’ve never noticed something off so quickly than with this. Hitting it on #1 and #2 I actually switched balls because I noticed it wasn’t ending up where I expected. After #3 and #5 where I hit it as good as physically possible and my ball ends up stopping on a downhill slope some 20 yards shorter than where I flew the demo head the day before (which was in cooler weather and a hurting wind). 
 

a couple hits on the monitor just confirmed. 

time to move on as I didn’t intended to do a complete thread jack.

 

No i think we need to dig much deeper into this. How about some therapy? So tell me when did you start golfing and how did titleist hurt you? Lol

[ob1soccer]

Yeah this goes way back, no doubt there has been some couch time to resolve this issue. But then again we are commenting on this problem so we need help as well

[Lip1337]

What are the volumes of the TSR3 #3 and #5 wood?

 

Thank you

[Aleriooon]

Went in for a FW fitting the other day and came away with TSR2 16.5 as the standout. I deliberately paid as little attention to what I was hitting as possible because I have an overactive brain, so forgive the lack of details. My gamer has been a trusty '16 M1 with Rogue Silver 70 S for many years now but I've recently gone through some swing changes it's no longer spinning enough to provide a stable or optimal flight. Great into the wind but that's about it.

 

We started out with TSR2 at 15 with Hzrdus Black and spin was too low, in the 2700s on average and the dispersion pattern was a little left (tighter than M1 though). My fitter went to Tensei Blue to try and get spin up, which worked, but it was still a smidge low at 2950ish.

 

SInce this is primarily a tee club for me, we went to TSR2+ just to see and while it was a missile (255 rolling out to 280) neither the flight (low and penetrating, 2300 rpms) nor the distance gapping made sense for me. It's basically a mini driver and while awesome, doesn't fit my bag.

 

This is when, unbeknownst to me, he gave me the 16.5 head with Tensei Blue 70S. Boom, launch up, spin to 3200, but the left miss was still a bit more prominent then we'd like. The B1 setting (0.75 flat) solved this and we developed a real tight pattern of push draws coming back to the target line. I caught a couple swings a bit on the toe and was impressed with the spin retention and stability of the flight.

 

I've previously extensively tested this years Cobra line and settled on Aerojet LS 14.5 head lofted up once, with Kai'li White 70S. The TSR2 16.5 head gave me slightly more carry, launching higher and spinning more, for the same total yardage. Since I'm low spin across the board, the stability of this flight is more than welcome and it's going into my bag pronto. 1.50 smash is obviously one of the best swings of the bunch, but I was 1.47 average across the entire session so I don't feel like it's a huge outlier. This thing is efficient.

 

My only nitpick is that I'd prefer a matte clubhead over the usual glossy Titleist finish, but whatever. Stoked to get this in the bag for the start of the season. First pic is Aerojet LS with Kai'li White, second pic is TSR2 16.5 with Tensei Blue.

 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Aleriooon

[luke1333]

Of course, right before I go on vacation and after getting used to my TSR2 for the last month or two! 🤦‍♂️

[larciel]

8 hours ago, luke1333 said:

Of course, right before I go on vacation and after getting used to my TSR2 for the last month or two! 🤦‍♂️

I just saw that and it got me very intrigued. 13 deg was so tough to hit off deck

[luke1333]

1 hour ago, larciel said:

I just saw that and it got me very intrigued. 13 deg was so tough to hit off deck

I sent my club pro a text, saying to order me one! Will be curious to get one in hand. 15.25* might be perfect happy medium! TSR2+ launched so well off a tee though!

[SwooshLT]

Still hitting TSR2 10 LOFTED UP very well!!!!! Zero interest in changing 

[bjno1300]

Are guys in the tsr3 staying around normal loft or going up? I’m still on fence between the 3 and 4 and coming off wrist surgery so I know the go get fit answer but just wanted some feedback. I’m playing epic max ls prior to surgery 10.5 head lofted down with hzrdus smoke black 6.5 60 gram. Hit it in nice mid height window like other clubs. I would most likely order the 9 with DI to gain a little of my launch back coming from lofted down 10.5 head back to a 9 but just wanted to see what you guys have seen. Also very interested in the 1k. Cheers guys 

[bjno1300]

On 10/12/2022 at 1:54 PM, AverageFrenchGolfer said:

I game the Epic Max LS 9.5° (VENTUS blue TR 6S) from last year, and I just bought the TSR3 off the rack (9° - HZRDUS black 60 S). 

Went to the range today and what a phenomenal driver. 

 

The ball trajectories are splendid (but a little too low for my taste maybe)

They are REALLY piercing (hell yeah), much more than the EPIC Max LS.

9° + black shaft, that was to be expected (103 swing speed). 

 

I'm pretty sure I gained tons of ball speed, it looks obvious to my eyes. 

I'm not sure I hit it farther than the Callaway though (which was really long already), because it flight a touch too low. Probably need to settle it +1° (or gain swing speed lol)

Will have to see on the course. 

 

Sensation of the club face is exceptionnal though (miles better than my EPIC)

Sound is amazing too, much better than the EPIC (It's not loud at all, actually it sounds so good (like a metalic whip) I would like it to be louder. The Epic Max LS is louder for instance)

It's quite forgiving, but not as much as the Epic Max LS. 

But the other thing I really like is its balance. It's really easy to swing fast. I like how the head feels through the swing. 

It's much more tuned than the EPIC Max LS on this point. 

 

And HZRDUS black is indeed really stiff (for a 6.0) with low trajectory and low spin, but it feels really stable and easy to swing ( probably more than the Ventus but not sure yet)

How you still liking it? I’m coming off surgery so haven’t hit balls since November but currently in epic max ls in 10.5 lofted down with 6.5 hzrdus black rd. Thinking of 9 degree with something with little more launch like a DI. Thanks for feedback 

[philly2kuk]

Got my tsr2 yesterday, first round today. Was amazing, best driver I’ve ever had. Shame the rest of my game was poor.

[hagimihale]

1 hour ago, bjno1300 said:

Are guys in the tsr3 staying around normal loft or going up? I’m still on fence between the 3 and 4 and coming off wrist surgery so I know the go get fit answer but just wanted some feedback. I’m playing epic max ls prior to surgery 10.5 head lofted down with hzrdus smoke black 6.5 60 gram. Hit it in nice mid height window like other clubs. I would most likely order the 9 with DI to gain a little of my launch back coming from lofted down 10.5 head back to a 9 but just wanted to see what you guys have seen. Also very interested in the 1k. Cheers guys 

 

I think that depends on the shaft.  I was playing Tensei 1K White in my TSi3 prior to upgrading.  1K White is low/low, and during rain season here in FL I was tempted to loft up. (soggy fairways = no roll)

 

But the VA Drago in the TSR3 increased launch and now my flight is max carry and much less roll.  I've had less of the "holy sh!t" bombers but more consistent distance with this combination.  So I'm keeping the head at 10*.  

[AverageFrenchGolfer]

On 5/27/2023 at 3:10 PM, bjno1300 said:

How you still liking it? I’m coming off surgery so haven’t hit balls since November but currently in epic max ls in 10.5 lofted down with 6.5 hzrdus black rd. Thinking of 9 degree with something with little more launch like a DI. Thanks for feedback 

I absolutely love it. 

I can see myself gaming it for the next 2-3 years. 

 

To me it surpasses the Callaway in terms of feel, look, and more importantly : overall balance. I can swing it much faster without losing it. Hence, better distance. The Cally is definitly more tolerant tho. 

 

Also they have a really different feel, the Cally being like a hammer. A big metalic thud. 

While the TSR3 being a lighter, crisp resonance (I prefer that)

 

BTW I worked on my angle of attack so I no longer have problems with the height of my shot now. But if you're coming off surgery, shaft might be more important.

 

 

[luke1333]

Was on vacation and came back this week to my TSR2+ 14.5! Looks great have not hit it yet! Anybody playing one yet?

[nickosbad]

Thinking of giving a TSR3 a second chance. A few months back I had a 9’ TSR3 with 1K Black shaft, loved the feel but think it was a touch low spin and flight, didn’t like lofting up as my bad shot is left so prefer an open face.

 

Thinking of giving a 10’ in the same shaft a chance to get spin up a bit

 

Was planning on STEALTH2+ or G430 LST but concerned about the face separating on S+ and G430 feels very heavy to swing