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Been debating this for awhile.  Use a 56 for 99% of shots around the green, and the 60 basically only for bunker shots, but feel like I can get similar results with 56.  The MG3 TW 56 grind is as versatile as I've seen, and feels like opening up the blade has effectively the same playability/purpose as a 60.  Could see the same logic for M/D grind, C grind, etc...

 

Anyone game a versatile 56 + nothing above that?

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Been as low as 2 cap, played at a D2 school and I've always had a 54* and 58* setup.  All the scratch and + cap guys/gals I play with either use 60* or 64* as their highest loft wedge.  Higher lofted wedges are necessary on hard and fast greens or pins that are tucked in corners IMO. 

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5 hours ago, mryank said:

Been debating this for awhile.  Use a 56 for 99% of shots around the green, and the 60 basically only for bunker shots, but feel like I can get similar results with 56.  The MG3 TW 56 grind is as versatile as I've seen, and feels like opening up the blade has effectively the same playability/purpose as a 60.  Could see the same logic for M/D grind, C grind, etc...

 

Anyone game a versatile 56 + nothing above that?


Only Seve. The poster just above is spot on. Whilst not quite scratch at the time, I played Royal Lytham one day after the Ladies British Open. The one where Michelle Wie was penalised for touching a loose impediment with her club head in a bunker.  The 17th Green had been cut so short that the grass looked dead. It was impossible to hold a green except with a 60D;  even then, not hole high. I had to play the old blue-covered Callaway soft ball. 

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1 hour ago, jomatty said:

There are plenty of tour players that use a 58 as their highest lofted wedge so it is difficult for me to believe that you need more than that to play on fast greens.

 

I wonder what percentage of the tour pro wedges with 58 stamped on them are genuinely 58 degrees, and how many are bent a degree or two weak for extra bounce because they want more bounce than the standard bounce on the 60.

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1 hour ago, llamont said:

 

My good friend carried a 56* wedge as his highest lofted club. He was close to scratch/passed the PAT/and he was in the PGA apprentice program at one point. Younger guy too…. He learned the game from old timers who didn’t encourage the lob wedge.  

LOL us old timers before the 80s did not know a wedge above 56* except for a Macgregor wedge called a Flipper. Our esteemed fellow WRXer Mr Flipper is an expert on those. They are extremely rare. In fact I saw my first one in the flesh just a few weeks ago. With some practice anyone could hit it and by design it is very versitile. I did not see anything contrary to current rules either. I know why the companies would not copy it today it would eliminate some people buying and carrying several wedges. I tried to buy that one the guy who has it is a retired Pro and College Golf coach and I work with him in Church in the A/V department and he is somewhat a collector and knows exactly what he has.

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One of my regular buddies plays to a 2 and he was scratch for years and years. He uses an old Titleist exploder from when he was in his twenties. That’s his only wedge. He’s 58 now and he uses his pw most of the times. Old school, old clubs, old scratch pedigree. He’s a short game wizard too. 

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Tom Watson had 56 as his highest loft in the 2009 Open.

 

Seems the question to ask is what club would add more utility to your bag if you pulled the 60?  My two highest loft wedges only have two degrees difference but dramatically different soles.  I could easily play with one (including the 56 deg lofted one) but don’t need anything else at the longer end.

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31 minutes ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

I wonder what percentage of the tour pro wedges with 58 stamped on them are genuinely 58 degrees, and how many are bent a degree or two weak for extra bounce because they want more bounce than the standard bounce on the 60.

Never judge a book by its cover---- Those tour van guys have those wedges tuned exactly to the specs that work for that paticular player--- I have a set of 252 Vokeys that once belonged to Dicky Pride----- They are marked 54 and 58 but they are far from that and the bounce numbers do not conciede with what is stamped on them. I can not remember the exact specs but have them in one of my notebooks

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4 minutes ago, Aviador Naval said:

Tom Watson had 56 as his highest loft in the 2009 Open.

 

Seems the question to ask is what club would add more utility to your bag if you pulled the 60?  My two highest loft wedges only have two degrees difference but dramatically different soles.  I could easily play with one (including the 56 deg lofted one) but don’t need anything else at the longer end.

IMHO you got it different bounces and in my case different sole grinds. My 60 I ground myself and is a copy of a Scratch JLM/EGG grind. I had a Scratch 60 I got used and loved it. It was half worn out when I got it and I finished it off. I have plenty of 588s so why not I did it. 

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I've been scratch or better since I was 16 and have played with some really, really good players over the years, some of which are on TV now. I could probably count the number of sticks that don't carry a 58+ on one hand. As Charger alluded to above, courses are just different these days. Forget just private clubs, there are county courses today that run faster than tour courses from the 70s, 80s and 90s.

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6 hours ago, hammergolf said:

The best wedge player in the history of the game only used a 56*. Seve 

Fans of Phil, if there are any remaining, would disagree. Phil uses a 60. That said, where playing out of the sand is concerned bounce matters more than loft, and 60s tend to not have as much bounce as 56s or 58s. Most pros will use a 56 or 58 from the bunker, for that reason, opening up the face to deliver higher effective loft. Where they primarily will use a 60 is off the fairway, where you generally don't want a lot of bounce. 

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i love this topic and have so many barely used wedges around the house because of it. i'll play with 16-17 clubs a lot of times just to experiment.

 

most recently i'm in favor of a higher bounce 57* being my main scoring club from pretty much 100 yards an in. obviously there are some outliers.

 

the full soled 57* keeps it dummy proof for the most part and has enough loft to hit floaty ones and low drivers too and also in crappy lies.

 

i then carry a 61 primarily for bunkers, nifty up and downs, tight greenside lies etc..

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39 minutes ago, iknowbagu said:

I've been scratch or better since I was 16 and have played with some really, really good players over the years, some of which are on TV now. I could probably count the number of sticks that don't carry a 58+ on one hand. As Charger alluded to above, courses are just different these days. Forget just private clubs, there are county courses today that run faster than tour courses from the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Absolutely agronomy has changed and so has golf course equipment and there are more variety of hybrid grasses more than ever

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If you practice a bunch with that 56 and are really good at ironing the face then rock on. I just can't imagine a scratch not carrying a 60. A few reasons

 

- what is going in the bag instead of the 60 and what benefit is gained vs a 60?

- a scratch golfer is probably playing some level of competitive golf and likely facing tournaments with greens that run quicker than normal courses.

- not having a 60 takes a degree of aggressiveness out of the longer game. Those tucked and short sided pins get a bit more caution.

 

But I really go back to my 1st point. Let's assume you go 

 

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With pw then you have room to go 50-52 gap wedge and then 56.  That's 13 clubs including putter. So what else is going in the bag? How often are you using that extra club? What benefit would it provide over the versatility of the 60? 

 

I just don't see the benefit of not having a 58-60.

 

I personally go 46-50-54-60. 

 

To me, for a scratch or better, the question shouldn't be "do I carry a 60". The question should be "what bounce and grind are best in a 60, for me".

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I carry a 60 but mostly use it in very specefic scenarios.   Mostly short sided shots around the green or out of the bunker.   Very rarely do I use it while taking a full swing.   I tend to use my 54 mostly and manipulate the trajectory/loft by opening the face.  

                            

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Im not scratch and I only play a 56. I’ve learned to be more versatile with my yardages with my PW and my Sandwedge now has the grind that allow me to open it up to about a 62 without the bounce being an issue.

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2 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

I wonder what percentage of the tour pro wedges with 58 stamped on them are genuinely 58 degrees, and how many are bent a degree or two weak for extra bounce because they want more bounce than the standard bounce on the 60.

That’s definitely possible although I would think they would mostly want to try to knock a little offset out of it more than add bounce since so many of the L wedges are low bounce but I definitely could be wrong.  And many of them could be bending them to more than 58.  

Personally I don’t think there is much you can’t do with a 58 that you can with a 60.  I play a 60 but it has more to do with liking my 56 and liking to play some shots with a slightly square face.  When I used a 58 with low bounce I didn’t have any issue laying it almost completely flat, the same as a 60.

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Not a scratch but played to a 4 for a long stretch (not so much lately).  I've backed down to a 56 and find my decision making is simpler and more predictable but there are times when a 60 would give me options like short sided bunkers, downhill stuff etc.  The mental battle is real.   When I did carry the 60 it could get me in trouble so I tended to ignore it.

 

Now I'm down to 13 clubs.  I'm going to try carrying a mini-driver for tighter holes.  I lose more strokes with my driver on our tight course, so maybe a second option off the tee might be next.  But this is Golfwrx....things change LOL.  

 

  

 

  

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2 hours ago, DREWZER300 said:

I carry a 60 but mostly use it in very specefic scenarios.   Mostly short sided shots around the green or out of the bunker.   Very rarely do I use it while taking a full swing. 

Different strokes. I usually use my 60 for full shots. I only use it out of the sand when I've got no green to work with.

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1 hour ago, iknowbagu said:

 

Seve > Phil and it's not close

 

Name me another player that grew up learning the game making all kinds of shots with only a 3 iron on the beaches of Spain.

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