2024 Recruits?

[RobS]

6 hours ago, DoctorTee said:

Our S16 has sent his video and profile through agency to quite a few STEM colleges at the end of July and has already been contacted by three NAIA universities to talk. The truth is that it is a dilemma to opt for academics or for a good position in Golfstat (one of them is among the first 40 of NAIA).

 

These are small universities in more or less rural areas. We are waiting for some D2 but for now there are only NAIA contacts.

If you haven't already, I'd consider sending some personal emails to schools of interest even if some are long shots. We've been pleasantly surprised with the level of response.  In casually talking to a number of coaches this summer, this was highly recommended.  It was also interesting to hear from coaches that a lot of players don't follow up very well if at all.  One coach from a mid their D1 school told me that if he likes what he sees on the email, resume and swing videos, he looks at the players schedule and asks them to write them back and let him know how they did in a specific upcoming tournament or tournament.  He said he often doesn't hear back for weeks and sometimes not at all.

[DoctorTee]

27 minutes ago, RobS said:

Si aún no lo ha hecho, consideraría enviar algunos correos electrónicos personales a escuelas de interés, incluso si algunas son remotas. Nos ha sorprendido gratamente el nivel de respuesta. Al hablar casualmente con varios entrenadores este verano, esto fue muy recomendable. También fue interesante escuchar a los entrenadores decir que muchos jugadores no hacen un seguimiento muy bueno, si es que lo hacen en absoluto. Un entrenador de su escuela D1 me dijo que si le gusta lo que ve en el correo electrónico, el currículum y los videos de swing, mira el calendario de los jugadores y les pide que les respondan y le informen cómo les fue en un próximo evento específico. torneo o torneo. Dijo que a menudo no recibe respuesta durante semanas y, a veces, ni siquiera recibe respuesta.

 

I think one of the problems is the complicated age of teenagers. For example, in our country they are still on high school holidays and lead a slightly more disordered life, so they look at their mailbox when they feel like it and do not realize the importance of the process.

[RobS]

21 minutes ago, DoctorTee said:

 

I think one of the problems is the complicated age of teenagers. For example, in our country they are still on high school holidays and lead a slightly more disordered life, so they look at their mailbox when they feel like it and do not realize the importance of the process.

Ha, no doubt about that!  The teenage brain rarely processes the big picture.  Can't totally blame them, I've been there!  

[Anser3]

On 8/24/2023 at 2:54 PM, golfortennis said:

 

Well when you know of a girl who was at a D3 school who got run off the team because she turned an ankle and wouldn't be able to play for a stretch, or another one who despite being a "student"-athlete was told that if she took a summer internship with a major company after sophomore year in the field she wished to pursue she was off the golf team, among other stories, you get a bit cynical.  Good on you that you handle things that way, but sadly there are many for whom the kids are nothing more than building blocks towards their own legacy, and if these kids won't help towards that, then out with them and in with some who will.

 

Which again is fine if you're upfront about that, but every coach says what you said, despite the fact a number of them don't actually show them to be true.  And to be fair it's not just golf coaches.  I have three nephews that have played baseball in NCAA and the stories they can tell would turn one's stomach.  Too many operate as though it's a professional sport, but use the student-athlete school is good stuff when it's convenient for them.  Based on iteach's vehement defense of you, I'm glad to hear you aren't one of those.  Just seems there are far too many that are.

 

 

If this is true, then that is terrible of the coach.  division III athletics offer no athletic scholarships.  At every level (all the way up to high-ranking Division 1 programs), the student should be in college first and foremost to get an education.  Any coach who says or acts otherwise is doing a disservice to any kid on their team. 

[kcap]

Slightly off thread question but since we are discussing recruiting figured some person can shed light.

 

1. athletes are allowed 5 official visits, I know kids make unofficial visits but is their a restriction on the number of kids that a college coach can bring for a official or unofficial visit?

 

2. Does anyone know how many kids, a coach brings in for a visit. I am curious if there are 2 spots will they bring in 5 or 6 or even more.

 

3. What is the % of kids not getting an offer after an official visit. 

 

It might be obvious but I am trying to think of the odds of getting a verbal. 
 

[mrshinsa]

On 2/15/2023 at 8:14 AM, MahalNeneng said:

Just an update on the "verbals" for 2024, i have added some context from prior 2 years of actual signings (keep in mind that the differentials for the verbals are current (not what they will end up being when signed, as the 2023 and 2022 are)

 

Excerpt (more in attachment)

2024 Verbals						2023 Signings						2022 Signings
Name	JGS Rank	Differential	College	College Rank		Last	First	Differential	JGS Rank	College		Last	First	Differential	JGS Rank	College
Nicholas Gross	1	-8.06	Alabama	17		Jackson	Koivun	-8.82	1	Auburn		Benjamin	James	-7.97	1	Virginia
William jennings	2	-6.5	Alabama	17		Eric	Lee	-8.69	2	Cal - Berkeley		Caleb	Surratt	-7.3	2	Tennessee
Jay Leng	3	-6.54	Stanford	6		Jamison	Tan	-2.56	2	Claremont McKenna		Nick	Dunlap	-7.03	3	Alabama
Byungho Lee	4	-6.17	Pepperdine	14		Ethan	Gao	-7.87	3	Stanford		Luke	Potter	-6.66	4	Arizona State
Matt Moloney	5	-5.75	Georgia	31		Carson	Kim	-7.84	4	USC		Bryan	Lee	-6.56	5	Virginia
Gerado Gomez	6	-5.76	Arkansas	39		Bryan	Kim	-7.59	5	Duke		Wells	Williams	-6.24	6	Vanderbilt
Asher Whitaker	7	-5.67	Oklahoma	15		Preston	Stout	-7.61	6	Oklahoma State		Jase	Summy	-5.83	8	Oklahoma
Logan Kim	8	-5.45	Stanford	6		Ethan	Fang	-7.3	7	Cal - Berkeley		Jonathan	Griz	-5.78	9	Alabama
Eduardo Torres	9	-5.36	Texas	20		P.J.	Maybank	-7.24	8	Oklahoma		Luke	Clanton	-5.7	10	Florida State
Kai hirayama	10	-5.4	Cal	72		Aaron	Pounds	-7.18	9	Texas A & M		Jonas	Appel	-5.73	11	Baylor
Andrew Ramos	11	-5.26	Oklahoma	15		Jack	Usner	-6.74	10	Texas A & M		Matt	Comegys	-5.67	12	Texas Tech
Christian Pardu	12	-4.82	Tennessee	8		Rylan	Shim	-6.66	11	Florida		Cameron	Tankersley	-5.82	14	Ole Miss
Boston Bracken	13	-4.88	ASU	4		Cooper	Jones	-6.84	12	BYU		Filip	Jakubcik	-5.55	15	Arizona
Bowen Ballis	14	-4.68	Vanderbilt	2		Thomas	Morrison	-6.43	13	Texas		Kyle	An	-5.39	17	UCLA
Billy Abdow	15	-4.71	Georgia	31		Kush	Arora	-6.44	14	Stanford		Carter	Loflin	-5.35	18	Georgia
Wheaton Ennis	16	-4.83	A&M	11		Max	Herendeen	-6.34	15	Illinois		William	Love	-5.34	18	Duke
Grant Gudgel	17	4.78	OSU	16		Connor	Williams	-6.29	16	Arizona State		Zachary	Kingsland	-5.28	19	SMU
Supapon Amor	18	-4.66	Purdue	28		Gaven	Lane	-6.24	17	Oklahoma State		Garrett	Endicott	-5.46	20	Mississippi State
Tyler Spielman	19	-4.59	Auburn	1		Ryder	Cowan	-6.27	18	Oklahoma		Kyo	Morishita	-5.23	20	Iowa State
Trey Marrion	20	-4.47	Illinois	7		Nicholas	Prieto	-6.18	19	Arizona State		Jacob	Sosa	-5.27	20	Texas
Parker Sands	21	-4.48	Florida	9		Jean-Philippe	Parr	-6.18	20	Tennessee		Rylan	Johnson	-5.36	21	Oregon State
Jaden Dumdumaya	22	-4.55	Scal	67		Johnnie	Clark	-6.2	21	Oklahoma State		Mahanth	Chirravuri	-5.1	22	USC
William Ma	23	-4.46	SMU	49		Cayden	Pope	-6.08	22	Auburn		Keaton	Vo	-5.02	23	Texas
Grant Roscich	24	-4.46	UNC	5		Lorenzo	Pinili	-6.13	23	Michigan State		Ethan	Evans	-4.98	24	Duke
Colin Salema	25	-4.43	Clemson	41		Josiah	Gilbert	-6.05	24	Auburn		Boyd	Owens	-4.93	24	Wake Forest
Ethan Paschal	26	-4.3	UNC	5		Kale	Fontenot	-5.93	25	Georgia Tech		William	Sides	-5.15	24	SMU
Alex Long	27	-4.25				Jay	Mendell	-5.86	26	LSU		Nathan	Wang	-4.81	28	Cal Berkeley
Rayhan Latief	28	-4.38				Stanley	Lin	-5.83	27	Oregon State		Mehrbaan	Singh	-4.53	29	Virginia Tech
Drew Miller	29	-4.2	Michigan S	55		Jack	Turner	-5.67	28	Florida		Sam	Dossey	-4.6	31	Baylor
Billy Davis	30	-4.15	Auburn	1		Pongsapak	Laopakdee	-5.74	30	Arizona State		Luke	Haskew	-4.6	33	LSU

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How was this data collected?  Is there an updated list with 2025 verbal commits?

Edited August 31 by mrshinsa

[leezer99]

40 minutes ago, mrshinsa said:

 

How was this data collected?  Is there an updated list with 2025 verbal commits?

Only on WRX are you asked to defend your dissertation. 😂

[John119]

@mrshinsa There is an updated verbal list of 2025 Boys that someone posted on another thread Titled "NCAA Golf Commits on IG"  on this forum. Or if you go to NCAA golf commitments on Instagram and be a bit patient the 2025's will start being posted again. 

 

 

[osu1925]

My son is a 2024 golfer.  We are finding out that golf recruiting is very competitive.  We definitely don't have expectations for him to go D1.  We understand that he decided to play college golf pretty late in the game (basically just this past year).  He is from a very small school in middle of nowhere Oklahoma.  We travel 4+ hours almost every weekend for him to play in OJGT and South Central PGA tournaments.    Minus a couple of tournaments, he has finished in the Top 10/20 of most every tournament he has played in.    We have sent out emails to D2, D3, NAIA and Juco programs, but don't hear much of anything back from them.  He has a twitter account but we are unsure how to get him noticed on there.

 

We know that posting good scores in these tournaments is very important (most of his scores range from 70-75).  He is a 4.0 student with a good ACT score.  He has a couple of offers from some private NAIA schools. 

 

What are some other ways to get him noticed by college coaches? 

 

 

[kekoa]

On 2/15/2023 at 11:52 AM, leezer99 said:

My son has played with 3, 8 and 10 on that list. All are really nice kids and the parents are very down to earth. None of them tried to game the system but I can say that one of them has a very detailed outline for success including Excel spreadsheets with crazy amounts of data on junior golf. The guy should probably write a book. 

Has to be #3 🙂

[TripleBogeysrbetter]

1 hour ago, osu1925 said:

My son is a 2024 golfer.  We are finding out that golf recruiting is very competitive.  We definitely don't have expectations for him to go D1.  We understand that he decided to play college golf pretty late in the game (basically just this past year).  He is from a very small school in middle of nowhere Oklahoma.  We travel 4+ hours almost every weekend for him to play in OJGT and South Central PGA tournaments.    Minus a couple of tournaments, he has finished in the Top 10/20 of most every tournament he has played in.    We have sent out emails to D2, D3, NAIA and Juco programs, but don't hear much of anything back from them.  He has a twitter account but we are unsure how to get him noticed on there.

 

We know that posting good scores in these tournaments is very important (most of his scores range from 70-75).  He is a 4.0 student with a good ACT score.  He has a couple of offers from some private NAIA schools. 

 

What are some other ways to get him noticed by college coaches? 

 

 

If interested please send me a DM.

[mrshinsa]

On 2/8/2023 at 4:38 PM, allenartlab said:

minimum score of 500 for each section as a requirement for D1 recruit makes sense. I'm just curious about what the real SAT requirement for Stanford golf is.  I heard numbers all over the place... 

Stanford is 1450 minimum, 1500 preferred.  

[golferdad8]

6 hours ago, mrshinsa said:

Stanford is 1450 minimum, 1500 preferred.  

...unless you're an int'l player with high WAGR and can hit 330 yard drives, then Stanford will be flexible. Even some of the lower Ivies have gone test optional. 

[golferdad8]

starting this year there's no longer a cap on the number of official visits. 

also, a coach can bring in as many recruits as he wants, esp if school's willing to pay for the trip.

that said, the big negative is that if he brings in 8 or more recruits, it can be very draining/distracting to the team members and they may get tired of hosting newbies. 

[Tugu]

On 10/11/2023 at 4:59 AM, golferdad8 said:

...unless you're an int'l player with high WAGR and can hit 330 yard drives, then Stanford will be flexible. Even some of the lower Ivies have gone test optional. 

Thank God for test optional. The whole idea of the SAT was to show one's readiness for college course work. I fail to see how a 1525 is more ready than say a 1500. There are plenty of ways to prove one's readiness for college level coursework besides a one off exam.

 

Again, the IVY golfers our boys know and the ones they've encountered, CANNOT break par on any real track with any regularity.

 

Good scholars and every single one of them I've personally encountered presented as impressive young men (never spent any time with female golfers). But they don't for the most part, break par in golf.

Edited October 17 by Tugu

[allenartlab]

13 hours ago, Tugu said:

Thank God for test optional. The whole idea of the SAT was to show one's readiness for college course work. I fail to see how a 1525 is more ready than say a 1500. There are plenty of ways to prove one's readiness for college level coursework besides a one off exam.

 

Again, the IVY golfers our boys know and the ones they've encountered, CANNOT break par on any real track with any regularity.

 

Good scholars and every single one of them I've personally encountered presented as impressive young men (never spent any time with female golfers). But they don't for the most part, break par in golf.

I agree that there is probably no difference in terms of college readiness between a 1500 and 1525 score. However, SAT is still a more fair and uniformly applicable bar than GPA alone. Students from school A with a 3.5GPA can be academically better than students from school B with a 4.0GPA. We all know that. 

Speaking of Ivy golfers, there are a few standouts, which made Ping All-American Honorable Mention last season. I'm sure they can break par regularly. Some parent here mentioned the rigor of Ivy coursework, which I tend to agree is the main factor contributing to the not-good golf. Yes the Ivies have long/cold winters but the same for some top50 D1 schools located in mid west (Illinoi, Ohio State etc). And some Ivies have reasonably good facilities (Harvard has The Country Club as the home course, Yale golf course, Princeton has Springdale CC next to campus)

[golferdad8]

Lots of good points here but I should point out that the top 3 Ivy players from Columbia, Yale, Princeton & Harvard frequently shoot in the 60s in their tournaments, and often beat the 4-5th players from power 5 when they go head to head. 

[Tugu]

7 hours ago, golferdad8 said:

Lots of good points here but I should point out that the top 3 Ivy players from Columbia, Yale, Princeton & Harvard frequently shoot in the 60s in their tournaments, and often beat the 4-5th players from power 5 when they go head to head. 

I was interested enough to check if my impression was incorrect. Without embarrassing hard working and fine young men, here are some highlights and stats from Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and Yale. Please note I am excluding most players and looking only at the best because some stroke average as high as 80.

 

1/ Stroke average of over 75 gets one into First-team All Ivy league.

 

2/ Stroke average of 73.50 received IVY league rookie of the year.

 

3/ The unanimously voted the 2023 Ivy League Player of the Year won twice with -6 and -9 and finished runners up at -1 with a stroke average of 69.5.

 

No other player from the school stroke averaged under par. Couple were close to par.

 

4/ If one actually went through the bios, there's alot that read like the following:-

• Played in 11 tournaments and had 30 rounds
• Had a 74.28 average
• Low round of 70 at XXXX Invitational where he tied for fifth
• Placed sixth at two tournaments including the Ivy Championship.

5/ Top guy at one of four above mentioned has been in the 60's in 14 of 68 rounds during his college career and 11 of 29 in his senior year. Scoring average of 0.86 better than par with a low round of 60.

 

The above is not an exhaustive study of IVY golf, but I stand by by the words that MOST of them cannot consistently break par on any decent track.

 

I dont think it's overly controversial to suggest players from institutions geared towards higher learning are not great at a game.

 

One player from the Baltimore Ravens (ex Penn state I think) is now teaching maths at MIT! Doesn't mean we all of a sudden think that NFL or college footballers are anything but average scholars.

 

 

 

Edited October 18 by Tugu

[Tugu]

11 hours ago, allenartlab said:

I agree that there is probably no difference in terms of college readiness between a 1500 and 1525 score. However, SAT is still a more fair and uniformly applicable bar than GPA alone. Students from school A with a 3.5GPA can be academically better than students from school B with a 4.0GPA. We all know that. 

Speaking of Ivy golfers, there are a few standouts, which made Ping All-American Honorable Mention last season. I'm sure they can break par regularly. Some parent here mentioned the rigor of Ivy coursework, which I tend to agree is the main factor contributing to the not-good golf. Yes the Ivies have long/cold winters but the same for some top50 D1 schools located in mid west (Illinoi, Ohio State etc). And some Ivies have reasonably good facilities (Harvard has The Country Club as the home course, Yale golf course, Princeton has Springdale CC next to campus)

Imagine if university spots were decided on a one off exam like the HSC (Higher School Certificate) in Australia. It's no secret which ethnic demographic scores the highest in tests.

 

We've already seen what lengths the privileged will goto to get their low achieving progeny into decent schools i

 

https://www.nydailynews.com/2019/04/09/full-house-actress-lori-loughlin-slapped-with-new-charges-now-faces-up-to-40-years-in-prison-for-college-cheating-scandal/

 

Get me some popcorn.

Edited October 18 by Tugu

[Golfquant]

6 hours ago, Tugu said:

I was interested enough to check if my impression was incorrect. Without embarrassing hard working and fine young men, here are some highlights and stats from Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and Yale. Please note I am excluding most players and looking only at the best because some stroke average as high as 80.

 

1/ Stroke average of over 75 gets one into First-team All Ivy league.

 

2/ Stroke average of 73.50 received IVY league rookie of the year.

 

3/ The unanimously voted the 2023 Ivy League Player of the Year won twice with -6 and -9 and finished runners up at -1 with a stroke average of 69.5.

 

No other player from the school stroke averaged under par. Couple were close to par.

 

4/ If one actually went through the bios, there's alot that read like the following:-

• Played in 11 tournaments and had 30 rounds
• Had a 74.28 average
• Low round of 70 at XXXX Invitational where he tied for fifth
• Placed sixth at two tournaments including the Ivy Championship.

5/ Top guy at one of four above mentioned has been in the 60's in 14 of 68 rounds during his college career and 11 of 29 in his senior year. Scoring average of 0.86 better than par with a low round of 60.

 

The above is not an exhaustive study of IVY golf, but I stand by by the words that MOST of them cannot consistently break par on any decent track.

 

I dont think it's overly controversial to suggest players from institutions geared towards higher learning are not great at a game.

 

One player from the Baltimore Ravens (ex Penn state I think) is now teaching maths at MIT! Doesn't mean we all of a sudden think that NFL or college footballers are anything but average scholars.

 

 

 

The Ivy League had more individuals qualify for NCAA Regionals than the SEC

[wegobomber31]

47 minutes ago, Golfquant said:

The Ivy League had more individuals qualify for NCAA Regionals than the SEC

Isn’t that because 12 of the 14 SEC teams made regionals?

[Golfquant]

9 minutes ago, wegobomber31 said:

Isn’t that because 12 of the 14 SEC teams made regionals?

one of the Ivy individuals scored better than 3 of the starters at Tennessee as well at the Auburn Regional

Edited October 18 by Golfquant

[wegobomber31]

3 hours ago, Golfquant said:

one of the Ivy individuals scored better than 3 of the starters at Tennessee as well at the Auburn Regional

Golf. 

[golferdad8]

9 hours ago, Tugu said:

I was interested enough to check if my impression was incorrect. Without embarrassing hard working and fine young men, here are some highlights and stats from Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and Yale. Please note I am excluding most players and looking only at the best because some stroke average as high as 80.

 

1/ Stroke average of over 75 gets one into First-team All Ivy league.

 

2/ Stroke average of 73.50 received IVY league rookie of the year.

 

3/ The unanimously voted the 2023 Ivy League Player of the Year won twice with -6 and -9 and finished runners up at -1 with a stroke average of 69.5.

 

No other player from the school stroke averaged under par. Couple were close to par.

 

4/ If one actually went through the bios, there's alot that read like the following:-

• Played in 11 tournaments and had 30 rounds
• Had a 74.28 average
• Low round of 70 at XXXX Invitational where he tied for fifth
• Placed sixth at two tournaments including the Ivy Championship.

5/ Top guy at one of four above mentioned has been in the 60's in 14 of 68 rounds during his college career and 11 of 29 in his senior year. Scoring average of 0.86 better than par with a low round of 60.

 

The above is not an exhaustive study of IVY golf, but I stand by by the words that MOST of them cannot consistently break par on any decent track.

 

I dont think it's overly controversial to suggest players from institutions geared towards higher learning are not great at a game.

 

One player from the Baltimore Ravens (ex Penn state I think) is now teaching maths at MIT! Doesn't mean we all of a sudden think that NFL or college footballers are anything but average scholars.

 

 

 

I agree that most of the Ivy players are not able to compete against the top players from other power 5 conferences, especially as they can't practice much from Nov to March. (Kudos to Columbia's Nathan Han who had frequently shoots mid-60s during the fall season). 

 

As for stroke averages, perhaps it's not fair to compare the higher stroke averages during the Ivy Championship and early spring season due to the crappy conditions of the northeast during (with terrible weather). 7000-7200 yards are not all created equal, especially when comparing 40 degrees rain vs. the SEC & others in CA playing in 75 degree weather. 

 

Since this is a 2024 class topic, I'm excited to see how the top 2024 JGS players ranked players play next fall. Specifically, there are 5 JGS top 100 players going to Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (Even more Ivy players if looking at the Top 150 JGS players). This is a special group as 4 of them are top 40 ranked, with one being top 10 and one being top 15. Despite taking all the tough AP/Honor courses, these top 5 had near straight As, 1500+ SAT, these five regularly placed higher in national tournaments than many 2024 recruits going to OK, FL, GA, and other golf powerhouse programs. 

 

Lastly, it will be interesting to see how this 2024 class juggle the rigorous college work load, work internships, social pressure, team qualifiers, and winter weather as they attempt to keep up with golf. It's tough to have it all - one former Northern California "golfer of the year" decided to pursue investment banking and quit the Harvard golf team. 

 

Good luck to all the players out there! 

 

[Tugu]

1 hour ago, golferdad8 said:

I agree that most of the Ivy players are not able to compete against the top players from other power 5 conferences, especially as they can't practice much from Nov to March. (Kudos to Columbia's Nathan Han who had frequently shoots mid-60s during the fall season). 

 

As for stroke averages, perhaps it's not fair to compare the higher stroke averages during the Ivy Championship and early spring season due to the crappy conditions of the northeast during (with terrible weather). 7000-7200 yards are not all created equal, especially when comparing 40 degrees rain vs. the SEC & others in CA playing in 75 degree weather. 

 

Since this is a 2024 class topic, I'm excited to see how the top 2024 JGS players ranked players play next fall. Specifically, there are 5 JGS top 100 players going to Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (Even more Ivy players if looking at the Top 150 JGS players). This is a special group as 4 of them are top 40 ranked, with one being top 10 and one being top 15. Despite taking all the tough AP/Honor courses, these top 5 had near straight As, 1500+ SAT, these five regularly placed higher in national tournaments than many 2024 recruits going to OK, FL, GA, and other golf powerhouse programs. 

 

Lastly, it will be interesting to see how this 2024 class juggle the rigorous college work load, work internships, social pressure, team qualifiers, and winter weather as they attempt to keep up with golf. It's tough to have it all - one former Northern California "golfer of the year" decided to pursue investment banking and quit the Harvard golf team. 

 

Good luck to all the players out there! 

 

I really wasn't saying anything beyond that MOST ivy league golfers can't break par (this is a fact shown by the results for a variety of logical reasons) and for the most part didn't win anything as juniors either. 

 

As for the special group, I just had a quick look and didn't find anyone "currently" in the top 10 or 15 committed to an IVY. But I'm not an expert on JGS and also realise it changes regularly, so I'm not trying to make any point from this.

 

I did see one committed to an abovementioned school that you presumably include as being in a special group. This is probably where we diverge in philosophy. Said kid has won next to zero in junior golf as far as I can see. 

 

I dont wish to come across as demeaning of said child's accomplishments as a human being, but when it comes to sporting endeavors, its winning that matters for me personally. We keep scores for the purpose of determing who are the winners.

 

I just enquired via WhatsApp if my counterparty knows of said kid and here is the response (score mentioned is for 2 day tourneys).

 

 

Make of it what you will. He will receive a top notch education.

Edited October 18 by Tugu

[Golfquant]

32 minutes ago, Tugu said:

As for the special group, I just had a quick look and didn't find anyone "currently" in the top 10 or 15 committed to an IVY. But I'm not an expert on JGS and also realise it changes regularly, so I'm not trying to make any point from this.

 

#9, 11 and 12 for 2024 (#18, 20 and 25 overall) in AJGA/Rolex Rankings are all Ivy commits

[Tugu]

8 hours ago, Golfquant said:

#9, 11 and 12 for 2024 (#18, 20 and 25 overall) in AJGA/Rolex Rankings are all Ivy commits

18 won an AJGA and a FJT, props to him. 20 right now going to a school in Arizona. Seems to have reached 20 without winning a single AJGA.🤔 The same seems to be the case with the other you mentioned.

 

Morikawa didn't win an AJGA either. But he sure as hell won a ton of other events. 

 

Past performance is no guarantee of future outcome, but its not a stretch to suggest that for the overwhelming majority, if player is not winning in junior golf, they aren't goin to all of a sudden start going low and winning in college.

 

Or is it just a philosophical difference in that ranking and winning are the same for some? Fact still remains that most IVY golfers don't go under par (for valid reasons such as weather, facilities, course conditions etc) and do not win. They don't win as juniors for the most part and that continues through college.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19 by Tugu

[allenartlab]

2 hours ago, Tugu said:

18 won an AJGA and a FJT, props to him. 20 right now going to a school in Arizona. Seems to have reached 20 without winning a single AJGA.🤔 The same seems to be the case with the other you mentioned.

 

Morikawa didn't win an AJGA either. But he sure as hell won a ton of other events. 

 

Past performance is no guarantee of future outcome, but its not a stretch to suggest that for the overwhelming majority, if player is not winning in junior golf, they aren't goin to all of a sudden start going low and winning in college.

 

Or is it just a philosophical difference in that ranking and winning are the same for some? Fact still remains that most IVY golfers don't go under par (for valid reasons such as weather, facilities, course conditions etc) and do not win. They don't win as juniors for the most part and that continues through college.

 

 

 

 

Not all AJGA tournaments are equal. In my opinion, finishing top 10 in an AJGA invitational is more difficult than winning an AJGA open since you can pick a regular AJGA tournament with relatively weaker field. I think #20's ranking is well deserved as he played many top-level junior events.

Interesting that this 2024 recruit topic diverged into Ivy golfers...  

[Tugu]

2 hours ago, allenartlab said:

Not all AJGA tournaments are equal. In my opinion, finishing top 10 in an AJGA invitational is more difficult than winning an AJGA open since you can pick a regular AJGA tournament with relatively weaker field. I think #20's ranking is well deserved as he played many top-level junior events.

Interesting that this 2024 recruit topic diverged into Ivy golfers...  

It started off with my observation that many top ranked kids in JGS or AJGA win very few events, period.

 

Given that there are 5 to 10 AJGA events per year kids can qualify for, whether they win one or not is neither here nor there. The player you mentioned has points for participating in a cup event without a divisor being added to his results to further boost his ranking. Looking through his AJGA and WAGR details, there is not a single win listed. Player shot 8 rounds out of 32 in the 60's in listed AJGA events. Look through the events on WAGR and not on AJGA website and there are high 70's and 80. The field has no say on how often one shoots in the 60's. We are talking about the 20th best junior golfer in the nation after all.

 

Take a good look at other highly ranked kid's overall records, my original point of many highly ranked kids rarely winning "anything at all" is a fact. This phenomenon is even more pronounced in IVY league commits, irrespective of ranking.

 

Again, if one states winning is not the most important factor by some distance for anyone playing, then I simply see it philosophically different.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19 by Tugu

[Golfquant]

There can only be one winner of a tournament.  If an elite player only plays tournaments with other highly-ranked players, it is extremely unlikely any of them will be able to win the event.

 

The 3 top 2024 Ivy commits all have scoring differentials better than -5.  This is the strongest Ivy recruiting class I have ever seen, and it's close.  They are going to be shooting under par and will probably win tournaments in college.

 

Only a few US kids per grad year will eventually "make it" as a touring professional, defined as being able to just play golf for a living.  Everyone else will need to get a job doing something else.  The college you graduate from makes a difference in the real world.

Edited October 19 by Golfquant