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3 minutes ago, mstuewe said:


why did they give up majors?  The us open is supposed to be “open.”  The open is “open.”  The masters has criteria which brooks, DJ, bubba, rahm, and others meet.  The pga has the toughest criteria, since it’s mostly dependent on past winners and world ranking points, but it still has criteria set.  
 

under what grounds should they be denied access to these major events which are not run by the TOUR?

Rahm has a 4 year exemption into the 2 majors he hasn’t won. If these 2 tours are eventually agreeing to cooperate, this is a no-brainer

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2 hours ago, Jay28 said:

TBH I don't know why Tiger didn't take a deal... more money , less hectic schedule. 

 

 

You honestly think Tiger needs the $ ?  As for schedule, he calls his own shots.

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Round 1 of the promotions event has concluded and Kerry Mountcastle has come out on top with a blistering 8 under round. (His previous 3 events were all MC on the DPWT and PGAT of Australasia)

 

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The definition of an Open tournament is not hard to understand.

 

Neither are Masters invitations.

 

The only major in question is the PGA.

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19 minutes ago, jd3032 said:

 

all outdated and does not accommodate the current environment

but of course the argument used time and again to nauseum trying desperately to justify the position

 

to me, they lost their standing, any and all standing when choosing to leave,

whatever status you had is in the past, you are a has been, a was, a used to be,

 

kind of like being a project manager at Target, you leave for Walmart.

now you want to keep your 'status' earned at Target after your move.

You want to go to xmas parties, participate in profit sharing, retain your corporate access card, etc.

 

The whole argument is ludicrous.

 

if they want to get in a open, then qualify your way in, and be treated like any other tour, asian, euro or other. The liv tour only has status such as a asian tour, or australian tour. You qualify accordingly.

 

do you have dp tour status..........no

do you have pga tour status........no

do you have x status.......no

whatever status you think you have earned from the pga you are no longer 'entitled' to, you resigned.

 

and you don't qualify, isn't hard.

the argument is a non sequitor even though it is frequently used to 'justify' the nonsense

 

but again, as stated, I am clearly in the minority on this so don't mind me

 

 

It sounds like you're saying if an employee earns a 401k at their previous job, then the employee shouldn't rollover the 401k if they switch employers?

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7 hours ago, pingbling23 said:

It’s been watchable.  It’s just another avenue to watch some of the world’s best golfers.  

It’s watchable in the YouTube 30 minute recap. Even that it’s impossible not to skip through. 

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1 hour ago, aus10KC said:

I still don't understand these trades. Rangegoats traded away 4 wins from last year. 

 

4aces resigned Pat Perez. Why?!?

 

 

I don't think these trades will matter beyond 2024.  There will be some kind of reorganizing of golf as we know it.  PIF does not care about LIV.  It is a complete loss financially for them.  The end game is to have a 'seat at the table' and gain some legitimacy.  These guys are smart business men, sinking hundreds of millions of dollars (maybe billions) with no return is not their plan.  They want to invest in something that has a return and will improve their image.  These signing are short term moves in a long term play.  The Rahm signing is a power play to force the tour to make a decision.  The PGA Tour is in a bad place, they need to negotiate something and they are rapidly losing any leverage they have remaining.   I think the LIV players see the writing on the wall.  If trading Gooch for Wolfe makes life easier for everyone in 2024 do it.  What difference does it really make?  They are all cashing big checks and LIV as we know if going to change in 2024 (either morph into a world tour or they will be a big influx of PGA Tour talent in which case Wolfe goes away).    2024 could be a messy year for golf, lets see what emerges in 2025. 

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6 minutes ago, DE-ILLINI said:

I don't think these trades will matter beyond 2024.  There will be some kind of reorganizing of golf as we know it.  PIF does not care about LIV.  It is a complete loss financially for them.  The end game is to have a 'seat at the table' and gain some legitimacy.  These guys are smart business men, sinking hundreds of millions of dollars (maybe billions) with no return is not their plan.  They want to invest in something that has a return and will improve their image.  These signing are short term moves in a long term play.  The Rahm signing is a power play to force the tour to make a decision.  The PGA Tour is in a bad place, they need to negotiate something and they are rapidly losing any leverage they have remaining.   I think the LIV players see the writing on the wall.  If trading Gooch for Wolfe makes life easier for everyone in 2024 do it.  What difference does it really make?  They are all cashing big checks and LIV as we know if going to change in 2024 (either morph into a world tour or they will be a big influx of PGA Tour talent in which case Wolfe goes away).    2024 could be a messy year for golf, lets see what emerges in 2025. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, KNOWMOREDOUBLES said:

Your response makes zero sense.  

Well if it's not too much trouble, allow me to elucidate.  It sounded like the poster was saying that a former employee should not have rights to benefits accrued at a former employer, but I wasn't sure.  Before I commented further, I wanted to better understand what the poster was trying to say.  He was comparing benefits accrued at a former employer and I was asking about a more direct, real world example of a 401k instead of a vague term such as "status".  Hopefully that makes better sense.

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2 minutes ago, PostandGhost said:

Well if it's not too much trouble, allow me to elucidate.  It sounded like the poster was saying that a former employee should not have rights to benefits accrued at a former employer, but I wasn't sure.  Before I commented further, I wanted to better understand what the poster was trying to say.  He was comparing benefits accrued at a former employer and I was asking about a more direct, real world example of a 401k instead of a vague term such as "status".  Hopefully that makes better sense.

Except, of course, the PGAT isn't an employer of the players.

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If the European Ryder Cup rules are re-written as Rory is asking for, then the flood gates to LIV will open and the PGA Tour as we know it is done.  If Finau and Hatton flip to LIV, the rest of the dominos will fall and the PIF will control the PGA Tour and Jay will probably be out. It will be a sad day for professional golf. Rahm is the pawn the LIV is using to get the PGA Tour roll over. As it is with everything else, if you want to know why...follow the money.

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1 hour ago, EagleAteBirdie said:

 

It would undoubtedly make Tiger's life worse.

 

Another billion dollars would make very little difference to his quality of life.  Plus, he already has the freedom to play wherever and whenever he chooses.

 

Signing with LIV would mean more commitment, travel and stress. It would also tarnish his hard-earned legacy on the PGA tour.  And for what?  More money that he doesn't need.

 

He made the right decision.

 

 

 

Fair point.

 

I guess I am looking at it assuming he's going to get back playing fairly regularly again - maybe a lighter schedule and still being able to compete with rest of the tour would make sense.

 

I am keen to see what they come up with in terms of the merger.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

 

Fair point.

 

I guess I am looking at it assuming he's going to get back playing fairly regularly again - maybe a lighter schedule and still being able to compete with rest of the tour would make sense.

 

I am keen to see what they come up with in terms of the merger.

 

 

Due to Tiger's success, he can pick and choose where, when and how often he plays.  He is a lifetime member and will never lose PGA TOUR status.

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