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16 hours ago, smashdn said:

I know no one cares, but I am legitimately excited about the LIV Nashville event.  I plan to get tix and go see it in person.  I like it on TV, I'll go see it in person and see what it is really like on the ground and compare it to the couple of PGA events and senior major event I have attended.

 

I am not sure about the course.  It is a high-dollar private club but also new-ish.  The layout might be challenging to fit all the bits and bobs needed for a pro event.  It used to host a KF event.  I guess that dried up.

I hope you have a good time! While I’m not a LIV fan I hope others enjoy the show. 

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11 hours ago, tomjas said:


Can’t believe that I have to post this but…

 

The US has more youth soccer players than any country in the world, 31% of the country identify as soccer fans and some of the most watched games in history were played in America 

 

 

That's a dubious sounding claim. Maybe the most youth in organized leagues with moms handing out orange slices post game. 

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17 minutes ago, tomjas said:


Nothing dubious or unusual about it as soccer is by far the most popular sport in the world 


 

He’s talking about your claims of soccer popularity in the US

 

Everyone plays some soccer in gym class here. 
 

But if we are talking about popularity as far as pro sports viewing, soccer is very low on the list

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/05/by-a-wide-margin-americans-say-football-not-baseball-is-americas-sport/#:~:text=More than half of Americans,%) or hockey (1%).

 

 

 

 

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MLS earns less TV revenue than bottom 2 relegated EPL teams

 

The Saints, despite being the worst English top-flight team that year, raked in just over $130 million in TV revenue. Leeds picked up just over $141 million during the same timeframe. This means that the duo generated about $272 million combined during their disastrous 2022/23 seasons, $22 million more than MLS as a whole.

 

https://worldsoccertalk.com/amp/news/mls-earns-less-tv-revenue-than-bottom-2-relegated-epl-teams-20240203-WST-487267.html

 

 


 

Two weak football clubs in England generate more revenue than the entire US pro soccer league lol

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18 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

MLS earns less TV revenue than bottom 2 relegated EPL teams

 

Not only does City nearly generate as much TV money as the entire MLS alone, but lower-level English clubs also compare favorably to the North American division.

 

The Saints, despite being the worst English top-flight team that year, raked in just over $130 million in TV revenue. Leeds picked up just over $141 million during the same timeframe. This means that the duo generated about $272 million combined during their disastrous 2022/23 seasons, $22 million more than MLS as a whole.

 

https://worldsoccertalk.com/amp/news/mls-earns-less-tv-revenue-than-bottom-2-relegated-epl-teams-20240203-WST-487267.html

 

 

This seems to say that two weak football clubs in England generate more revenue than the entire US pro soccer league lol


Average MLS club is worth $650 million 

 


 

 

Also US is hosting the World Cup in 2026  which is the world’s biggest sporting event 

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14 minutes ago, tomjas said:


Average MLS club is worth $650 million 

 

Tell me how to insert an article & I will attach Forbes valuation 

 

Also US is hosting the World Cup in 2026  which is the world’s biggest sporting event 


 

That’s great

 

The average NFL team is worth 5 billion. The Cowboys alone are worth nearly 10 billion. 

 

The average NBA team is worth 4 billion

 

The average MLB team is worth 2.5 billion. Yankees worth 7 billion

 

Even the average NHL team is worth 1.3 billion

 

**Soccer is growing but is still by far the least popular pro sport in the US

 

 

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2 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:


 

That’s great

 

The average NFL team is worth 5 billion. The Cowboys alone are worth nearly 10 billion. 

 

The average NBA team is worth 4 billion

 

The average MLB team is worth 2.5 billion. Yankees worth 7 billion

 

Even the average NHL team is worth 1.3 billion

 

**Soccer is growing but is still by far the least popular pro sport in the US

 

 


So?

 

Soccer is by far the biggest sport in the world, Messi is the biggest star (& he plays for Miami), 6 million Americans play it & it’s only getting bigger 

 

MLS is literally a 2 bit league in the world of soccer and the average franchise is worth $650 million 

 

An American football franchise anywhere outside North America isn’t worth a stale packet of crisps 

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1 minute ago, bscinstnct said:


 

🤣

 

You were pounding the table about how popular soccer was here 

 

Good to see you’ve come to see reality ; )

 

 


Dude, you didn’t even know it existed in the US and it’s on target to swamp most of those sports in the next few years as the 2026 World Cup will be by far the biggest sporting event ever held in the US

 

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18 hours ago, smashdn said:

I know no one cares, but I am legitimately excited about the LIV Nashville event.  I plan to get tix and go see it in person.  I like it on TV, I'll go see it in person and see what it is really like on the ground and compare it to the couple of PGA events and senior major event I have attended.

 

I am not sure about the course.  It is a high-dollar private club but also new-ish.  The layout might be challenging to fit all the bits and bobs needed for a pro event.  It used to host a KF event.  I guess that dried up.

 

I'm sure you'll have a great time, friends who went to the Boston event here a couple years ago had a blast. Very fan friendly with lots to do. Oh, and golf if you want to watch that...

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6 minutes ago, tomjas said:


Dude, you didn’t even know it existed in the US and it’s on target to swamp most of those sports in the next few years as the 2026 World Cup will be by far the biggest sporting event ever held in the US

 


 

I live in NYC, grew up in the burbs. Soccer was always around and very popular. I played football and baseball but we had a HS soccer team, all the towns did. 
 

I’ve seen the popularity grow, MLS is doing very well, as I mentioned, it’s good a great boost from immigration. Miami and LA are the most valuable franchises, huge Latino and Hispanic populations 

 

But even living in NYC the past 30 years, we have lots of soccer fields and amateur leagues that play all the time

 

Soccer will continue to grow but currently it’s by far the least popular pro sport here

 

 

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31 minutes ago, tomjas said:


Dude, you didn’t even know it existed in the US and it’s on target to swamp most of those sports in the next few years as the 2026 World Cup will be by far the biggest sporting event ever held in the US

 


The World Cup was in the U.S. in 1994. Two generations later and it’s got a foothold in America but it’s nowhere near any of the big four sports. And that’s in a country with unlimited space, time, and resources to devote to the game. Plays right into support for the “generations” argument you’ve been trying to retort.
 

To help steer this back to golf, I’d like to hear your thoughts in response to my population post from last page and from about 30 pages ago.  I’ve linked both posts here for you for ease of reference. I’ll even give you the option of choosing which one you want to respond to. 
 

 

 

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18 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

I want people to have a good time - have fun! 
 

And post something on the “X” (kills me to see that - only “X” that resonates with me is a ZZ Top song) about how you saw Rory and Norman having a chat under a tree near a loo - that should get some play. 

 

I got no X or Tweeter account.  I am afraid my attention span might be slightly too long despite ADD for it to be appealing.

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45 minutes ago, italianstallion said:


The World Cup was in the U.S. in 1994. Two generations later and it’s got a foothold in America but it’s nowhere near any of the big four sports. And that’s in a country with unlimited space, time, and resources to devote to the game. Plays right into support for the “generations” argument you’ve been trying to retort.
 

To help steer this back to golf, I’d like to hear your thoughts in response to my population post from last page and from about 30 pages ago.  I’ve linked both posts here for you for ease of reference. I’ll even give you the option of choosing which one you want to respond to. 
 

 

 

What’s your basis for claiming that PIF is an irrational actor?

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1 hour ago, tomjas said:


Dude, you didn’t even know it existed in the US and it’s on target to swamp most of those sports in the next few years as the 2026 World Cup will be by far the biggest sporting event ever held in the US

 

I’ve come to realize you live in an alternate universe or you just don’t understand the pecking order of Pro Sports in the US.  That pecking order of NFL, MLB, NBA is not going to change.  IMO never in the US no matter how popular soccer is around the world or even with the World Cup coming here.  
 

Not only that but college football and college basketball is HUGE here in the states and the top programs likely valuations top $1billion.  
 

There are way too many options for viewing sports here for other sports like soccer, cricket etc to have any chance. 

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

 

 

Maybe an understanding of the basics of economics?  

 

This has been discussed literally a few hundred times in this thread alone.

 

Glad we are off the soccer, lol.  

 
You don’t know what their objectives are so you literally have no idea whether they’re being rational or not 

 

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2 minutes ago, tomjas said:


Let me guess 

 

You like NFL

GOLF then NBA, MLB, NFL, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball.  Golf is tops but I love all the others equally.  Never soccer except World Cup.  Same goes for gymnastics. That gets watched every 4 years too.  lol

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24 minutes ago, tomjas said:

 
You don’t know what their objectives are so you literally have no idea whether they’re being rational or not 

 

LOL, the evidence of their objectives from all available sources makes them clear, again discussed ad nauseam.

 

Now we're off soccer and back to the same old.

 

Anyway, if the most the LIV trolls have to talk about is other sports leagues, that's telling in and of itself - so I change my request - let's talk about other pro sports, a welcome respite!

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34 minutes ago, mosesgolf said:

I’ve come to realize you live in an alternate universe or you just don’t understand the pecking order of Pro Sports in the US.  That pecking order of NFL, MLB, NBA is not going to change.  IMO never in the US no matter how popular soccer is around the world or even with the World Cup coming here.  
 

Not only that but college football and college basketball is HUGE here in the states and the top programs likely valuations top $1billion.  
 

There are way too many options for viewing sports here for other sports like soccer, cricket etc to have any chance. 


I think that the pecking order has changed. The NBA has clearly closed the gap on the MLB, and is now probably ahead (one key indicator is that the franchises are selling for more). 60 years ago MLB was bigger than the NFL and  the NBA was way, way behind. Boxing and horse racing were much more important than they are today.

 

Soccer has a long way to go, but it is headed up (both MLS and the foreign leagues) while baseball looks headed down. 
 

Meanwhile, golf is starting to look like US open wheel racing did when it split (admittedly a sport I know very little about, but I had to work golf in somehow).

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47 minutes ago, mosesgolf said:

I’ve come to realize you live in an alternate universe or you just don’t understand the pecking order of Pro Sports in the US.  That pecking order of NFL, MLB, NBA is not going to change.  IMO never in the US no matter how popular soccer is around the world or even with the World Cup coming here.  
 

Not only that but college football and college basketball is HUGE here in the states and the top programs likely valuations top $1billion.  
 

There are way too many options for viewing sports here for other sports like soccer, cricket etc to have any chance. 

Yah, we've been hearing for decades that soccer would take off in the US. It's done better for sure but still a long ways back.

 

"Just wait until all those kids playing soccer when they're young grow up!"

 

They're all grown up and mostly watching NFL, NBA, etc. like everyone else.

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47 minutes ago, cdnglf said:


Basically, it was a niche league with a decent following that split into two even more niche leagues with a smaller combined following.
 

And yes, now we’ve reached the limit of my knowledge.

 

It was all CART.  Then Tony George, who owned the Indianapolis Speedway had disagreements with the CART structure, so he created his own league, IRL.  They ended up being totally different cars, engines etc, so it was just dumb.  Because he owned the Indy 500, only IRL teams could run the Indy 500, taking away the biggest single event in the sport and CART teams/drivers missed it.  IRL was mostly made up of C level teams and drivers, but winning the Indy 500 was still a thing, so some teams/drivers had ok success on IRL.  After many years, some of the CART owners would start fielding a single car at the Indy 500, having some success.  So it started to have a similar feel of the majors in golf, with teams/drivers from two different leagues coming together for a big event.

 

Both leagues suffered, and eventually there was a merger back to a single league, and fast forward a decade and Tony George doesn't even own Indy anymore, Roger Penske does, one of the main CART guys.

 

So the entire thing dragged out for way too long, we had two watered down leagues for a while, and the entire sport went from being hugely popular before the split (like F1 drivers would actually choose to come to CART because it was awesome) to it turning into a ghost town.  It's on an upward trend currently, but nowhere near the popularity it once had.

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